VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Wolfram99]

yeah Fin was killed to incite further conflict between the two factions, templars were framed on that one. Either that, or a rogue element within the order did/orchestrated it. But I think it's more likely a 3rd party pinned it on the templars.

Would be fun seeing Kaija defending Templars if the internal rogue element was true.
And depending on your route she might be even proud of what's happened .

 

[Dessolos]

I wonder if said third party might try to put the blame on Kaija for killing Fin tho just to worsen the relationship with her and the MC. Probably wouldn't make alot of sense to target Kaija but could be interesting.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Don’t know but I have zero faith in Kaija or any of the Templars. Wouldn’t cross the street to save the lot if em. Next chapter should be interesting.

 

[TrixRabbit]

I am going to go back though and do a speed run just to make sure Kaija’s path is at or near zero before the next chapter is released. I don’t want her to try to get in touch when I return.

 

[Dessolos]

I am going to go back though and do a speed run just to make sure Kaija’s path is at or near zero before the next chapter is released. I don’t want her to try to get in touch when I return.

sounds like someone is doing the hate path haha. I still need to play her hate and friend path I only have love path just haven't been in the mood to replay the game yet haha.

 

[Wolfram99]

I am going to go back though and do a speed run just to make sure Kaija’s path is at or near zero before the next chapter is released. I don’t want her to try to get in touch when I return.

Unfortunately on the elf lover path you get a +1 Kaija point....

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

sounds like someone is doing the hate path haha. I still need to play her hate and friend path I only have love path just haven't been in the mood to replay the game yet haha.

I'm hoping Ceo is planning to pull off a Steph moment as in Steph from LOF and Steph from AMW and redeem Kaija somewhat. I dislike her, but I'm not opposed to her redemption either. That is a ways off i think if it will happen at all. She is still the most interesting character in the game even though I dislike her actions. She is an LI, there will be a lot more to come.

 

[TrixRabbit]

sounds like someone is doing the hate path haha. I still need to play her hate and friend path I only have love path just haven't been in the mood to replay the game yet haha.

Yeah pretty much. Our entire relationship she was basically a spy for the templars and never said anything plus she lied about her job the whole time. There’s no redemption- it’s basically on par with finding out she’d had an affair from day 1 of our relationship. No coming back from that and I generally see the Templars as enemies now so she won’t get the chance anyway

 

[Dessolos]

Yeah pretty much. Our entire relationship she was basically a spy for the templars and never said anything plus she lied about her job the whole time. There’s no redemption- it’s basically on par with finding out she’d had an affair from day 1 of our relationship. No coming back from that and I generally see the Templars as enemies now so she won’t get the chance anyway

fair enough that was easy for me to forgive given the context of everything else but I get it she is an acquired taste not everyone can look past that.

 

[TrixRabbit]

The one I actually have the most points with is Medb and she just told me to GTFO so ... lol, oh well. Did the speed run, she is close to zero ... not at zero because a few times the other option was just dumb but ... ready for the next installment I think.

 

[HornyyPussy]

fair enough that was easy for me to forgive given the context of everything else but I get it she is an acquired taste not everyone can look past that.

Yeah, it's one of the biggest tropes in love story storytelling, it starts as a job but feelings gets acquired on the way. I love that trope

 

[Deleted member 6503042]

I'm hoping Ceo is planning to pull off a Steph moment as in Steph from LOF and Steph from AMW and redeem Kaija somewhat. I dislike her, but I'm not opposed to her redemption either. That is a ways off i think if it will happen at all. She is still the most interesting character in the game even though I dislike her actions. She is an LI, there will be a lot more to come.

My only hope is a chance to push Kaija off a cliff and see her fall to death, like the dream sequence of Artemis.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I my only hope is a chance to push Kaija off a cliff and see her fall to death, like the dream sequence of Artemis.

I love that scene! One of the best ever. I had to rollback and doit a few times imagining my ex haha

 

[Wolfram99]

I my only hope is a chance to push Kaija off a cliff and see her fall to death, like the dream sequence of Artemis.

Lets go full ham then

 

[Dessolos]

I love that scene! One of the best ever. I had to rollback and doit a few times imagining my ex haha

as bad as she is there is a few more LI out there I hate more haha.

 

[Deleted member 6503042]

as bad as she is there is a few more LI out there I hate more haha.

You hate more than Cass or Kaija, kinda ambiguous there. Btw, hate is a strong word but if I have to choose I'd probably go with entire cast of Triple Ex, they are the worst of worst. For Kaija though, not hate just genuine dislike to what she represents.

 

[Dessolos]

You hate more than Cass or Kaija, kinda ambiguous there. Btw, hate is a strong word but if I have to choose I'd probably go with entire cast of Triple Ex, they are the worst of worst. For Kaija though, not hate just genuine dislike to what she represents.

Well I was clearly talking about Cass , i'm one of Kaija's biggest fan's on this thread haha. Only time I liked someone more than Kaija was when Fin was alive.

 

[Rehwyn]

Yeah pretty much. Our entire relationship she was basically a spy for the templars and never said anything plus she lied about her job the whole time. There’s no redemption- it’s basically on par with finding out she’d had an affair from day 1 of our relationship. No coming back from that and I generally see the Templars as enemies now so she won’t get the chance anyway

I'm curious if people with this perspective would view things differently if the situation was grounded more in reality than fantasy.

For example, if Kaija was like... a secret CIA operative protecting you from international crime syndicates that had a grudge against your parents. Personally, it'd be upsetting but quickly forgivable. The only potential romantic partners she could have while being transparent without breaking other vows would be CIA operative within the same operational unit. And your parents specifically told her not to tell you. So it's easy for me to empathize with the conflict she must have felt wanting to be honest with you as romantic feelings grew but not being able to without becoming foresworn or even potentially putting you in danger.

Yes, learning she's been dishonest would hurt, probably quite a bit. But if it was clear that she was remorseful and wanted to tell you but couldn't, I'd likely be quick to forgive with the caveat that going forward we're in it together.

 

[xapican]

The one I actually have the most points with is Medb and she just told me to GTFO so ... lol, oh well. Did the speed run, she is close to zero ... not at zero because a few times the other option was just dumb but ... ready for the next installment I think.

I can pass you a save with Medb, Fiona, Elea maxed, and Kaija 0
although I want you to consider one thing, the Rel points, are not equal that you can get engaged in Sex they are just there to show how open a character is to help you as MC or not.
It amazes me again and again, reading this strong rejection of Kaija and the Knights Templar order.

 

[Maviarab]

I'm curious if people with this perspective would view things differently if the situation was grounded more in reality than fantasy.

For example, if Kaija was like... a secret CIA operative protecting you from international crime syndicates that had a grudge against your parents. Personally, it'd be upsetting but quickly forgivable. The only potential romantic partners she could have while being transparent without breaking other vows would be CIA operative within the same operational unit. And your parents specifically told her not to tell you. So it's easy for me to empathize with the conflict she must have felt wanting to be honest with you as romantic feelings grew but not being able to without becoming foresworn or even potentially putting you in danger.

Yes, learning she's been dishonest would hurt, probably quite a bit. But if it was clear that she was remorseful and wanted to tell you but couldn't, I'd likely be quick to forgive with the caveat that going forward we're in it together.

And there's a difference there....exactly how?

Exactly..there isn't. There is a reason 'operatives' like that are discouraged from being in relationships (before the world went fucking mad and saying that to someone, especially a woman, was no longer deemed PC).