But it's not, she is there for her job and as they both said the relationship developed its own dynamic. It may be real but definitely not organic. Unless you are using organic in a different meaning than what it means originally.
Does anyone think otherwise here? I thought the main discussion was whether they are forgivable or not. Curios thing.
Someone said (long, long, long time ago) that parents are probably also trying to help Kaija live normal life.But it's not, she is there for her job and as they both said the relationship developed its own dynamic. It may be real but definitely not organic. Unless you are using organic in a different meaning than what it means originally.
Does anyone think otherwise here? I thought the main discussion was whether they are forgivable or not. Curios thing.
I might need to replay it, but at least on the love path my understanding was that she refused to start a relationship just to be close. Therefore, she originally was spending time with MC just as a friend. And then, before she knew it and without intent, the friendship had become something more. So her spending time with MC as a friend was part of her mission, but that transition into a relationship wasn't planned on her part and just happened naturally; hence, organic.But it's not, she is there for her job and as they both said the relationship developed its own dynamic. It may be real but definitely not organic. Unless you are using organic in a different meaning than what it means originally.
She was already your friend I thought. Maybe before she was even a member of the order?
She was, since childhood if I remember right. So she has multiple motives for spending time with MC as a friend. The mission is just part of it, but perhaps she spent just a bit more time with MC as a result of her orders than she otherwise would have.
I don't think it was said explicitly, but mostly likely she was raised/schooled within the order from childhood, and yes, they were friends or whatever before she became a full member. How that friendship came to be I would be interested to find out, could be another thing the order pulled so once she was a member she was already close to him.
They basically put them together in a room, nothing was organic there. If someone says organic about relationship, I understand those 2 people met in natural order of their life, they grow closer and be in a relationship. Their relationship as organic as Stockholm syndrome.
Timeline basically goes like this, correct me if I am wrong.
Well that is right Kaija is MC childhood friend judging by the flashback on (neutral and Love) that if you talk with her on the bench about it that is.
I guess we have a slight difference in perspective here. Under other circumstances, if two people spent a lot of time together due to one of their jobs, I'd still consider a relationship that grew from that to be organic if it wasn't part of the job itself.
I think there's some ambiguity in the order of these two depending on your path and dialogue interpretation. This is particularly true since the development of feelings is a gradual process and it can be tricky to pinpoint when exactly it becomes "love", as you said.
There is some ambiguity but not path dependent since other path has no love option. As I understood from both MC's and Kaija explanation that they get in a relationship before Kaija saw MC that way but within time, that idea grow on her. Ambiguity came from 2 different sources as I see it besides they did not say directly. First one, they don't have Day 0 neither of them asked each other and second one, MC has those feelings long before they became a couple, maybe as early as their childhood. So, it is hard to put in a time frame. Why I think it's this way? First of all, when Kaija said at the beginning nothing was real beside the friendship I think this is a serious reference because the beginning part cannot refer the duty because they were friends before she got the orders, so this beginning she is talking about must be their relationship. Thus, I think, she is saying at the beginning of our relationship except our friendship everything was a lie. Therefore, they became a couple then Kaija's love started.
As jobs part of their life, that is correct but this is not a job she can quit, she can move away, she can stay away of MC. She has to interact with MC because of her orders, she is stuck with him. So, not organic.
Haven't seen that though it is possible. But then a question rises, who is Kaija and what makes her important in MC's parents to choose her their own son? Maybe MC is not their son? Maybe the idiot of grandmaster caused the demise of Kaija's family, so he feels guilty.(Unlikely as he is not capable of guilt as we seen it.) Lots of question rises there. Still, good theory.
During the full family talk i got the impression that the parents really dislike the situation when templars who died and left their kids as orphans.
Here I disagree with your interpretation. I can't check the exact quotes right now, but by "at the beginning" I'd understand that to mean at the beginning of her assignment, not a relationship. Even if they were already friends, she still probably started to spend even more time with MC as a result of this orders, even if just as a friend.
Others have left the Templars, so I somewhat disagree that she has no choice. Granted, her other job prospects are likely very limited given her specialized skills etc.
I am on the side of the argument that when they became BF/GF, she did it so that she had easier time protecting MC, and nothing more. And only later on in the BF/GF relationship did she catch the love bug, ofc only on Love path that is.
It's possible she was lying, but she specifically says that wasn't the case. So I guess on this particular note it may boil down to if you believe that statement to be true.
This much is correct and not gonna argue but there should be certain threshhold which I believe they did not cross at the beginning of their relationship.
Now, you do misremember this part. She did exactly say it made her job easier.
My memory is still fresh because I recently played the game from the beginning. I am not gonna say my interpretation is the absolute truth because it's not confirmed in any way but I think my way is the better fit. First of all, they were talking about the relationship, referring to assignment there would not be correct. Also, whole conversation leads to there. She already said she was friends with MC at the beginning of the assignment on top of that, MC asks how much of this was a show referring to their relationship. As there was no show about the assignment, if she was talking about it that answer would not make any sense. Main point, she says beside friendship everything was a show. At the beginning of the assignment, there was nothing but friendship hence nothing can be a show. So it was clearly indicates she said at the beginning of their relationship, everything except friendship was fake then she fell in love and everything became real for her.
To directly quote:
So yes, after things developed without her realizing, it was easy for a time to enjoy the best of both worlds, but she explicitly says she didn't start a relationship to make her job easier.
