VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Cicattrix]

Welcome to the page and the game. I'm a fan boy of Ceo's work. TNT is one of the few games I'm active in because I just don't have the time to hang out on a lot of games anymore. I enjoyed reading your posts. I disagree with you on one issue.

There is no rule that says the MC has to behave like a mature middle aged man. Young men do foolish things based off emotion. He is a sheltered older child living in a protected bubble from the world he never knew was there. Now it isn't. His whole world is turned upside down. Sometimes he wants to hide from the world, some times he wants to lash out, sometimes he goes off and does stupid things because he is young and was sheltered and coming to grips with the whole world around him being a lie. I find it hard to comprehend how I would react to such a thing and I have been through some pretty devastating events in life. I don't have an issue with how Ceo is writing the MC because for me, this is how this young man is trying to deal with this situation he finds himself in. The only decision I thought should be changed was the decision to cut off the parents permanently. The MC is young he would have been open to talking to them again at some stage. Maybe Ceo will change that down the road, maybe not. Plus decisions like cutting off his parents are the players choice, so players have to take some responsibility on how the MC acts as well.

Hello, Grumpy! I am also a fan boy of Ceo work and a fan boy of your equilibrated positions. I may become a fan boy of your AVN, but I dindt had time to check it yet. This thread had sucked one month of my life...
I agree with you and with all the other guys. Youngsters are like that, I was like that, except the rage and hate. I dont contradict you, guys. You are RIGHT!
But, you have wrote a story, you know better that you, the author, choose the set up, the pace. And you know better that the MC gives the vibe and the style of the story. X files, Dresden files, other heroic stories how they will be with a perpetual college guy at helm? (no pun intendet to Mavi)
I dont want to force my opinion on anyone, I am just signaling that maybe the MC ”heroic becoming”was lost on the way. And, if Ceo wants him like now, I hope that we may get a logical explanation through the game, not forums. Even if the MC remains a victimizer or an emo, I expect him to stand his ground and explain his own choice. Even while crying. I will understand him and I will consider Kaija the MC for this book. ;p
P.S. Imagine me finishing the game and stumbling by this thread. And looking as how Kaija was burned alive two years ago, while knowing what Ceolag had in mind for Chapter 6 since then. It was a fun spectacle to see you guys roasted slowly by the author. I know Ceolag is ”evil” like that, but I am not sure he has the MC planned that well. He likes his girls too much and I cant blame if for that...
May you heal fast and for good!

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Hello, Grumpy! I am also a fan boy of Ceo work and a fan boy of your equilibrated positions. I may become a fan boy of your AVN, but I dindt had time to check it yet. This thread had sucked one month of my life...
I agree with you and with all the other guys. Youngsters are like that, I was like that, except the rage and hate. I dont contradict you, guys. You are RIGHT!
But, you have wrote a story, you know better that you, the author, choose the set up, the pace. And you know better that the MC gives the vibe and the style of the story. X files, Dresden files, other heroic stories how they will be with a perpetual college guy at helm? (no pun intendet to Mavi)
I dont want to force my opinion on anyone, I am just signaling that maybe the MC ”heroic becoming”was lost on the way. And, if Ceo wants him like now, I hope that we may get a logical explanation through the game, not forums. Even if the MC remains a victimizer or an emo, I expect him to stand his ground and explain his own choice. Even while crying. I will understand him and I will consider Kaija the MC for this book. ;p
P.S. Imagine me finishing the game and stumbling by this thread. And looking as how Kaija was burned alive two years ago, while knowing what Ceolag had in mind for Chapter 6 since then. It was a fun spectacle to see you guys roasted slowly by the author. I know Ceolag is ”evil” like that, but I am not sure he has the MC planned that well. He likes his girls too much and I cant blame if for that...
May you heal fast and for good!

All good. I didn't say you were wrong, I just said I disagree. I think we agree on the end result, we just disagree on the methods to get there and that's okay.

I disagree on two things . Kaijas situation is very different to the MC. I dislike her and would never trust a woman like that, I learnt that from experience sadly. I don't see how you can compare the MC's and Kaija's experiences. Kaija made mistakes like the MC, but Kaija had all the facts and did it anyway. The MC is still trying to work out who to trust, what is real and what isn't real. He will make mistakes. Kaija had all the information, but made decisions to do the wrong thing. So I can't agree that she is just a victim here or an innocent like the MC. I don't hate Kaija, but I don't like her either. However, I do find her interesting and look forward to how her role unfolds. Back to work for me. Have fun and welcome to the page.

 

[Knightcvel]

Welcome to the page and the game. I'm a fan boy of Ceo's work. TNT is one of the few games I'm active in because I just don't have the time to hang out on a lot of games anymore. I enjoyed reading your posts. I disagree with you on one issue.

There is no rule that says the MC has to behave like a mature middle aged man. Young men do foolish things based off emotion. He is a sheltered older child living in a protected bubble from the world he never knew was there. Now it isn't. His whole world is turned upside down. Sometimes he wants to hide from the world, some times he wants to lash out, sometimes he goes off and does stupid things because he is young and was sheltered and coming to grips with the whole world around him being a lie. I find it hard to comprehend how I would react to such a thing and I have been through some pretty devastating events in life. I don't have an issue with how Ceo is writing the MC because for me, this is how this young man is trying to deal with this situation he finds himself in. The only decision I thought should be changed was the decision to cut off the parents permanently. The MC is young he would have been open to talking to them again at some stage. Maybe Ceo will change that down the road, maybe not. Plus decisions like cutting off his parents are the players choice, so players have to take some responsibility on how the MC acts as well.

I believe that cutting off the parents is the only path out the gilded cage they built for him. Not the only one, but the first. MC should leave that job because it is another tool for watching him and get lost beyond Neverwhere in whatever world may have there because the templars may watch his steps almost everywhere in the world. Burning bridges is an important step for independence and to develop his full potential, whatever it is, as I believe their whole plan was to keep it under control and curb its awakening. But as you said, it's up on each player decisions. I believe cutting off is so important that Ceolag will provide another opportunity for that in the next chapters so that the "freedom path" may yet be followed.

 

[Canto Forte]

Brats who have it all run away all the time.

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[Wolfram99]

she's Einherjar

*a wannabe, the god her clan served hasn't restored their status.

She protected the MC, put her life on the line.

Funnily enough you can get the max LP path even if she was ordered to save the MC.

 

[DarkOs31]

P.S. Imagine me finishing the game and stumbling by this thread.

Then you had a lot to endure (reading ALL the page's i mean)
Sometimes those Waifu wars are all we have until a new chapter is released
Are they stupid and/or childish??Ofcourse,but it's always a hell of fun to read those comments...
Sadly ,rn there are maybe 15-20 really good story driven games in actual development on this site,and most of them take 6+ months ... I don't play most of those quick-fap games ,i like the story games more,i sometimes even skip the sexscenes when the story is really good,shocking, i know right?
Most of the games here are boring as fuck,or have MC's with horse dicks,LI's with melon-sized tits... It just doesnt make it interresting for me,also when i see sandbox,nope not gonna playing...
But everyone has his/her own taste and that's totally fine
I'm in my mid 40's and i love Anime,i love reading Manhwa's (Korean manga's cuz i dont like the always blackwhite manga's)

 

[DarkOs31]

*a wannabe, the god her clan served hasn't restored their status.

Nope,Einherjar are humans from midgard who have died in battle and are brought to Valhalla by valkyries to fight for Odin in Ragnarok.

 

[Wolfram99]

Nope,Einherjar are humans from midgard who have died in battle and are brought to Valhalla by valkyries to fight for Odin in Ragnarok.

Eh, this game takes a different interpretation.

 

[DarkOs31]

Eh, this game takes a different interpretation.
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If you like Norse myth,i can recommend

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to you,it's a really good manhwa with accurate research about norse myth
I guess your screenshot is just a lousy armor-plot from the dev in his game
Who says his nordic myths must be the same
Ooohh,maybe they died while committing a crime or suicide,then you'll get straight to helheim...my mistake...

 

[Wolfram99]

If you like Norse myth,i can recommend

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to you,it's a really good manhwa with accurate research about norse myth
I guess your screenshot is just a lousy armor-plot from the dev in his game
Who says his nordic myths must be the same
Ooohh,maybe they died while committing a crime or suicide,then you'll get straight to helheim...my mistake...

Don't really care for the IRL mythic stuff, only the in-game mythos if it's relevant to the plot.

 

[DarkOs31]

Don't really care for the IRL mythic stuff, only the in-game mythos if it's relevant to the plot.

no probs

 

[Tremonia]

Eh, this game takes a different interpretation.

Where's the different interpretation? Like DarkOs31 said, Einherjar are humans from Miðgarðr who serves Odin in Ragnarök. The game didn't claimed otherwise.




Your misunderstanding is you misinterpreted my post to Maviarab's "She's a witch" meme. I wrote "She's Einherjar. And a witch." You only quoted the first sentence, but the second one was important. Einherjar are dead. So in other words: Ding Dong the witch is dead... Maviarab understood the joke, because he's smart and saw the meta.

maybe they died while committing a crime or suicide,then you'll get straight to helheim.

Helheimr isn't a bad place. Okay, a little bit frosty, but it's not a place of punishment. It's the place for all the people who didn't died during a battle. What you meant is Nástrandir. Sure, it's a part of Hel's realm, but it's not Helheimr per se.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I believe that cutting off the parents is the only path out the gilded cage they built for him. Not the only one, but the first. MC should leave that job because it is another tool for watching him and get lost beyond Neverwhere in whatever world may have there because the templars may watch his steps almost everywhere in the world. Burning bridges is an important step for independence and to develop his full potential, whatever it is, as I believe their whole plan was to keep it under control and curb its awakening. But as you said, it's up on each player decisions. I believe cutting off is so important that Ceolag will provide another opportunity for that in the next chapters so that the "freedom path" may yet be followed.

I don't disagree. I was thinking along the lines of the MC being young. He would probably want to give his parents another chance at some stage. Hence why I think it would make sense for Ceo to add another option later in the story. It's just a thought.

 

[Wolfram99]

Where's the different interpretation? Like DarkOs31 said, Einherjar are humans from Miðgarðr who serves Odin in Ragnarök. The game didn't claimed otherwise.
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Your misunderstanding is you misinterpreted my post to Maviarab's "She's a witch" meme. I wrote "She's Einherjar. And a witch." You only quoted the first sentence, but the second one was important. Einherjar are dead. So in other words: Ding Dong the witch is dead... Maviarab understood the joke, because he's smart and saw the meta.


Helheimr isn't a bad place. Okay, a little bit frosty, but it's not a place of punishment. It's the place for all the people who didn't died during a battle. What you meant is Nástrandir. Sure, it's a part of Hel's realm, but it's not Helheimr per se.

So she truly has a death wish, since she wants to become Einherjar, she must first die.
Does one Einherjar candidate have to die in battle to successfully start training for Einharjaring?
And they all gave shit MC for being reckless

 

[Knightcvel]

I don't disagree. I was thinking along the lines of the MC being young. He would probably want to give his parents another chance at some stage. Hence why I think it would make sense for Ceo to add another option later in the story. It's just a thought.

I understand your POV, but the opposite seems to be the case. Ceolag will give another opportunity to break relations with them soon for those who haven't already done it in chapter V. So I think that even if the relations are mended in the future, the rupture is essential to the character development.

 

[QQP_Purple]

I understand your POV, but the opposite seems to be the case. Ceolag will give another opportunity to break relations with them soon for those who haven't already done it in chapter V. So I think that even if the relations are mended in the future, the rupture is essential to the character development.

Call me crazy but if it was me I would rather embrace the opportunity than strive for total independence. I mean, sure, a degree of independent latitude is required here as I wouldn't want to become just another templar puppet. But at the end of the day I would rather the MC become a hero in his own right and usurp the organization rather than completely break with them.

After all, why waste a good thing when it's offered to you? Especially since the MC has the family connections to get the best of both worlds. Access to the templar resources without having to submit to their control. At least for the time being. I am sure that eventually they will want to reign him in. But until that happens, I say milk it all for our own ends.

It's kind of like finding out you are the heir to a drug cartel. Sure, they aren't the perfect people and you probably don't completely condone of the killing and stuff. And maybe you'd rather be doing something else like going to college for medicine or something. But you'd be a fool not to use the family fortune for your costs while you do it.

 

[xapican]

I understand your POV, but the opposite seems to be the case. Ceolag will give another opportunity to break relations with them soon for those who haven't already done it in chapter V. So I think that even if the relations are mended in the future, the rupture is essential to the character development.

Well, seeing it from a pragmatic point of view, those who are on the Understanding, path won't bail out and live the story with the parents, those who think they are better off alone can do so, the character growth, will come eventually in both, and as you pointed out in a previous comment, there are many way's it is possible to be independent without ghosting your family.
and this is why I didn't fully grasp Grumpy Old Aussie idea of doing another choice to reunite with the parents.

 

[Wolfram99]

Hmm, when breaking up with Kaiju in Ch.6 on Max LP path i wonder to what level will the relationship fall, Friends or straight to "We work together for now", since the lower LP breakup seems to force staying Friends.

Regarding the burning bridges with parents, maybe it's a "fake" choice for a few chapters until MC is forced to work with them and will be railroaded into being a family again.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Well, seeing it from a pragmatic point of view, those who are on the Understanding, path won't bail out and live the story with the parents, those who think they are better off alone can do so, the character growth, will come eventually in both, and as you pointed out in a previous comment, there are many way's it is possible to be independent without ghosting your family.
and this is why I didn't fully grasp Grumpy Old Aussie idea of doing another choice to reunite with the parents.

Fair enough. It was just a thought. The MC being young and foolish may wish to reconnect when he cooled down.

 

[xapican]

Fair enough. It was just a thought. The MC being young and foolish may wish to reconnect when he cooled down.

Somehow it is, in CH6 even if you did go scorched earth you still can talk to Hilda, and even Kaija, at least in my both saves where I cut relations, and that feels natural, I mean with the Parents it is the MC who goes out slamming doors, they left the door open, and it is even more disturbing if you cut all ties but have to come back to the Templars to ask for help because of Jess
strange that the "High and mighty" proud fanbase didn't comment on that one.