Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.7b] [Ron Chon]
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The writing is decent, at least compared to the other game ( Rogue-like) however the mc is too much of a Gary-stu. It gets boring after a while. Almost from the get go everybody is kissing his ass.
The writer obviously has a good grasp at writing, so I wonder what why he did not write a compelling story with some real challenges thrown at the mc.
I hate NTR but how fun would it have been to have Scott be a real competitor for Jeans affection?
Feel like the dev is just going the path of least resistance. Other males may well be nonexistent in the game. Prof. X is really almost a non entity outside of giving you jobs (on that note, how does he use telepathy on you if you are immune to mutant powers?) and Kurt is just a plot device and expozition dump. Piotr only shows up in one scene and Scott and Logan are only shown to exist in a somewhat humorous Convo on the phone
There is no real conflict or stakes, just a grind to earn enough love and trust points to unlock new scenes.
The writer obviously has a good grasp at writing, so I wonder what why he did not write a compelling story with some real challenges thrown at the mc.
I hate NTR but how fun would it have been to have Scott be a real competitor for Jeans affection?
Feel like the dev is just going the path of least resistance. Other males may well be nonexistent in the game. Prof. X is really almost a non entity outside of giving you jobs (on that note, how does he use telepathy on you if you are immune to mutant powers?) and Kurt is just a plot device and expozition dump. Piotr only shows up in one scene and Scott and Logan are only shown to exist in a somewhat humorous Convo on the phone
There is no real conflict or stakes, just a grind to earn enough love and trust points to unlock new scenes.
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I get it, again let's say a storyline line where Jean and Scott split up shortly before you arrive, due to Scott cheating on Jean with Emma Frost( a storyline from the comics).
You try to get with Jean, who has issues after her long time boyfriend cheated on her, and Scott hates you because he wants Jean back and sees you as an obstacle. You have drama, you have conflict, hell you could even end on a redemption arc for Scott where he eventually asks forgiveness from her and gives his blessing to your relationship.
Cliche? Absolutely, but at least it is something. What do we get instead? Some weird incest play? Yeah like there aren't enough incest games on this site.
And for clarification I am proudly part of perhaps one of the most annoying groups on this site, barring NTR addicts. I am a lifelong IIA( is it avoidable?).
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I think this is only the second time I've seen someone in this thread argue it should be harder to romance the girls.
It sounds like you just don't find a plot interesting unless there's cheating or love triangles.
All the girls have challenges and issues that you help them with, and the MC gets into trouble regularly.
The story is to me a high point of the game, a LOT more ambitious and serious than any other game I've found on this site.
It's early in development and they're understandably not very high on the priority list. More guys will come and you will be able to do stuff with them, but they won't be going after your girls (good thing, very based).
I find this a surprising complaint when I was amazed the game even had men at all.
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Considering there are people on this site who think it is NTR if there is another straight male in the game at all (even if they don't get involved with any of the girls, and Odin forbid they are in a relationship with a girl who isn't even a potential LI for the MC), even doing this is probably going to upset some people.
As several people have noted many times in the past, for many, many things, you cannot please everyone, it is foolish to even try. Make what you like, and others will probably like it too. Some people won't, but that's just the way it is.
If he was an actual Gary Stu, there wouldn't be an infirmary where you are sent to every story event. About everyone kissing his ass, let's see: Xavier is like that with every young mutant as his role of older kind mentor, Rogue does kiss his ass because he is the only person she can actually interact with, Laura straight up kicks his ass for most of the first season and only starts coming around near the end, Jean is a neurotic with a desire for anyone to like her that tries to win over the one guy who doesn't have a negative impression of her, Storm is legit just being nice.
Challenges like getting his ass handed to him by Juggernaut and Sentinels? Or what kind of challenges are you thinking of?
No, it would not be fun.
Maybe because the game is very early in development and they decided to focus on the girls first and then start introducing the rest of the team? Content with Kurt is coming and Colossus is gonna be bro-able in chapter 2, maybe even starting a friendship at the end of the first summer, Scott and Logan are referenced many times and will probably come with Colossus, shit Logan even has a line of dialogue.
Maybe because this is an introduction to the world so the story is just starting? My sibling in Christ, the game is in a very pretty alpha, patience is the name of the game.
the only thing null wins at is joging/running against anna lol
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Speaking of which, when are we getting a cg for running behind her?
Or sexy events in general, seems all of them right now are of the girls being stressed/sad
ohhhh it being animated with the tightsSpeaking of which, when are we getting a cg for running behind her?
Or sexy events in general, seems all of them right now are of the girls being stressed/sad
My word we NEED that backview. More games need backviews. Can't go talking about Rogue's booty and not flaunt it. Need to have Jean and Laura back shots so we can compare cheeks (and drool over Laura's back musclesSpeaking of which, when are we getting a cg for running behind her?
Or sexy events in general, seems all of them right now are of the girls being stressed/sad
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Still missing sex scenes with x 23 already completed with Jean and Anna
Am I missing something
Am I missing something
I'm assuming you mean vaginal, that has a weird wait time. You have to wait a few days and then she shows up with the scene
Considering an NTR freak caused the cancellation of one of my favorite games Necro Detective, I have a real hate-boner for those shitheads, usually I would be in the live and let live camp. But not today.
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No one 'things' what?
If you mean the thing about other guys being in a game being NTR, I've seen it explicitly said. "the only other guy that can be in a porn game is the gay friend". As for someone freaking out about a guy having sex with another woman that wasn't even an LI for the player? Saw it on the Summer Scent thread, you don't even meet the girl, it's the player's friend hooking up with a chick while he's on vacation, and you hear about it over the phone, and some nut came in screaming about NTR and calling everyone 'cucks'; would have been funny if it wasn't so painfully stupid (I did make a point of calling him an idiot).
Or that no one thinks you shouldn't even bother trying to please everyone? Anyone with any sense that creates something shoul realize that, or they will drive themselves insane.
In my experience I have seen the Gary Stu/ Mary Sue label used far too often. It is used when someone doesn't like something, and is offended that others like it/ it isn't the way they want it to be. But because that is just a subjective personal opinion and others can simply go "well, sorry you feel that way" they instead label it a 'Mary Sue' in an attempt to state that it is objectively bad, no argument can be made with such a narrative crime!
Of course, it isn't as effective as all that even if taken seriously, but that's not the way they see it.
On the other hand, I would argue to a large extent ALL computer games have the MC as a Mary Sue. It is intended as a player self insert, a power fantasy for the player, that is the point. But as you also state, a requirement of a Mary Sue is the character be perfect and everyone loves him, and that is almost never the case in a game, the character can and does screw up (sometimes despite what the player does) and they invariably have enemies as well who most certainly don't love the MC.
I think the only true mass market Mary Sue I've seen is Honor Harrington. She started out fine, and the series was good, but eventually it went off the rails. I think Weber just loved the character too much and he ended up making her so perfect even her enemies thought she was amazing (and those that didn't were so one dimensionally evil that the fact that they didn't love her was a sign of how bad they were).
As a note I've seen the same idea with other statements "it is bad because of THING XYZ!", and when other people go "MEH!", they come back with "how can you not be offended!?" (again, seen it, that was actually funny). The entire thing with certain people trying to make trans people and cross dressers 'groomers' is the same thing, an attempt to make it inherently evil instead of something where it's "who cares, it's not hurting anyone else, let them be them".
Both the extreme pro-NTR and extreme anti-NTR crowds are very weird.
It's probvably the 'extreme' part that is the problem, not the NTR so much (although I'm not a fan either).
This, I have argued for exactly this. (considered my user name, that shouldn't be a surprise)My word we NEED that backview. More games need backviews. Can't go talking about Rogue's booty and not flaunt it. Need to have Jean and Laura back shots so we can compare cheeks (and drool over Laura's back muscles
The response was that they are unlikely to add it directly into the game as that would require another full set of clothing and piece art for each character (I hadn't realized yet just how much each character was subdivided into separate pieces). However, they did say that they planned to add more static art, so they may (probably) include such shots like that. I asked for a gallery to be added for such shots.
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Others have accurately touched on the rest of your comment but to address this one specifically...
I did suggest it early on but love rivals was shot down fast.
Not just for NTR. The writing team just HATES love triangles as a story concept, specifically in Marvel.
I mean we have plans on taking mishandled stuff and attempting to make it work, but Marvel's love triangles is not one of them.
PS. Colossus will become a bro in chapter 2. As Storm mentions, most X-Men are busy investigating things and going on missions. Jean even complains about her being left out.
We've downgraded to calling the current build an Alpha since we're refocusing on core systems.
It did but after we turned Kurt into an actual NPC and mentioned we have plans to expand on him people changed their opinion real fast and he now has his own fan club.
Speaking of which, when are we getting a cg for running behind her?
Or sexy events in general, seems all of them right now are of the girls being stressed/sad
My word we NEED that backview. More games need backviews. Can't go talking about Rogue's booty and not flaunt it. Need to have Jean and Laura back shots so we can compare cheeks (and drool over Laura's back muscles
This. There will be specific scenes and unique angles.
An idea discussed on the discord, not heavily discussed by dev talks but in general chat, has been unique intros if the budget permits.
So the intro would change to seeing Storm open the door to Xavier's study, Rogue leaning against a table in the class room, Jean looking all cool like in the process of approaching you.
Really? That's disappointing. I wanted to play to get my Orc/Goblin fix but seeing the abandoned tag turned me off because I didn't want to get attached.
Really the only thing we force onto the player with Null is that he's generally good-intentioned toward his teammates.
How he goes about expressing that is entirely left up to the player through a personality system that is only going to get more dynamic.
I mean you can outright have Null desire death against mutant haters or internalize the hate and sympathize with them. If people don't find that dynamic enough I don't know what they will.
The new quirk rework the devs are working on has been promising to glance at with the girls' personalities being more varied.
Granted it'll still be a binary but for example, you can have Laura just be a stalker, dom you without stalking, both stalking and choking you out, or none of that and be treated like an equal partner.
Most girls are having their quirks split in two, possibly three. Though the status of the quirk being activated will be binary in whether it is or isn't.
Jean will always want to be your Big Sis.
Laura will always want to be protective.
Rogue will always want you to hold her and fuck the worry out of her.
If you activate their quirks that is.