sleepingkirby

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Someone once said that Disney doesn't know how to make movies not catered to girls or general families and when you look at the MCU after they fired the guy who planned everything up to Endgame... it really shows.
That's what happens when people treat art like a business and not like, you know, art. It always drove me crazy when people (studios, "producers", etc.) put money into a creative project and expect a guarantee return. Like, if art can have a guaranteed result every time, it wouldn't be called art. It'd be call science.
 

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That's what happens when people treat art like a business and not like, you know, art. It always drove me crazy when people (studios, "producers", etc.) put money into a creative project and expect a guarantee return. Like, if art can have a guaranteed result every time, it wouldn't be called art. It'd be call science.
I said something similar about Bethesda the other day. that they are the masters of mediocrity, they don't really do anything particularly interesting because that might be risky. They are driven by the bottom line, the need to make more profit for the shareholders today.

Yay capitalism.

A friend of mine figures that the first set of Marvel films were good because they were willing to take risks, to try things, to see what worked and what didn't. But as time went by and the money flowed in, the willingness to take risks dwindled, they wanted to keep a nice steady flow of cash, but not take any risks that might lead to a huge return, but also might lead to a huge flop (even the modern films that have flopped haven't done that badly). It's safe. It's conservative. It's a steady profit for the shareholders; and that is all that matters (which incidentally makes a lie of the right wing saw 'Go Woke Go Broke' - if that were true, companies like Disney would never pursue diversity at all, but they do, so...)
 
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ShinyBoots1993 There is still one question not covered - Are you - the dev team - waging covert promo campaign? In recent months I've been seeing Rogue in my subscription feeds with increasing frequency. But today you've gone overboard. in a single day was a mistake and now I know about your plan. *puts on his visored tinfoil burgonet*
 

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why didn't they do research?
I don't know and honestly, we'd be making assumptions trying to answer that question.

As to why they made that pitch to begin with... they just lied their ass off over their writing qualifications. That isn't an assumption. It's in the same interview where they say they don't know how to write legal shows.

To be fair, the 90's run of She-Hulk didn't have a lot about anger control issues. Nor the early 2000's run.
Yes but they specifically point it out and Jennifer flexes on Bruce because apparently women are Hulk levels of angry 24/7 by default.

Does it get better? I've crossed 100 points with rouge kinda boring, honestly seems rouge like was a superior game
Uh yeah, dude 100 points is like maybe 2 in game days? Even RLE takes longer than that.

Our game is story-focused, and we advertise it as such, if you want quick sex just play RLE. No one will be offended or bothered if this game just isn't for you.
 
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I was meant to ask before...
I am not comic reader and know X-Men only from movies.

From what I grasped about Laura, her character could go any way.
Is there some exterior reason for her taking this domineering role?

If she's in some series like she's in here, I might read my first one! :D
 

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Wrong and I'm not reading all that
Because Zeus forbid you read something that might disagree with your view, and perhaps provide a new perspective. No, please, continue in your narrow minded little world and avoid any outside input.


"Let's make a series where a lot of the plot revolved around law and not hire a lawyer as legal consultant."
Legal Eagle (an actual California lawyer who talks a lot about different legal things in the world and tries to explain it for the rest of us) did an episode on She Hulk, and yeah, he was not impressed by the legal aspect. He figured the closing remarks of the defense in the first episode were stupid and almost guaranteed to lose, and most of the legal jargon used in the show was like someone opened a legal diary and picked random words from it.


the fact that on average women prefer to project themselves onto protagonists.
Oh come now, that's not just women, men do that all the time. It's actually the entire basis of the 'woke' complaint, men complaining about a character not being the idealized version of themselves. I know a guy who has pretty much no interest in a show if the lead isn't a straight white man, and he is by no means unique in the world (quite the contrary).

I would also argue that they aren't dismissing the existing fanbase, they are trying to reach more fans, to expand the fanbase. And again, returning to the fact that these are greedy corporations, they want more customers, more money. It's the way business works. Capitalism!

And the simple fact is, there are far more people in the world than the existing fan base, and aiming at straight white men to exclusion is kinda stupid (we are kinda outnumbered by a rather significant amount to be honest). And to be frank, it has been working. Bethesda for all their mediocrity has made Fallout many times larger than it was as a turn based isometric game. Disney makes a crap ton of money every year, and is steadily increasing (inflation is biting into their profit margin due to increasing costs, so despite increasing income in 2023 by over $6 billion, their profits went down by $110 million, to a mere $3.39 billion (still just shy of 4% net profit, which isn't too shabby - most large companies only run single digit profit percentages, only a few industries like pharmaceuticals, banking, and petroleum typically run double digit profit percentages).

Like it or not, at the end of the day it is hard to argue with success.

I will also note, that if a segment of the fanbase is toxic, they will kick them to the curb without hesitation, and do things to spite them.
Not that you would know anything about that, would you Shiny? Nothing like that was done in the Null Hypothesis. ;)

I would also point out that quite often what people complain as 'woke' isn't even trying to reach out to another demographic, for example the BBC gets letters every time they have a trans character or actor in a show, whether they make a point of emphasizing the character is trans or not, the simple presence is all that matters. Often a show simply acknowledges other people exist and show some respect, and that is enough to set the anti-diversity people off (and let's be honest, it is not about whether something is good or not - shown by how much hate is directed at some things when nobody has even seen it yet - it is about racism, homophobia, transphobia, and misogyny).

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Ihave to apologize at this time.
I think I started this, and I'm sorry about the derailment.

Think I might take a few days away from the forum, let this peter out.
 
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As to why they made that pitch to begin with... they just lied their ass off over their writing qualifications. That isn't an assumption. It's in the same interview where they say they don't know how to write legal shows.
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that... *sigh* You know, when I was still living in LA (around 2002 or 2003), I met up with some friends of friends that were attending USC. They spent like an hour talking and discussing about their efforts and ways to cheat on their tests. I mentioned "You know, with all the effort you're going through figuring out how to cheat, you might as well just study." And their reply to me was "Yeah, but this is the American way." People like these writers will always be a reminder to me as to why that's people like these get ahead and make things worse for the rest of us.

Yes but they specifically point it out and Jennifer flexes on Bruce because apparently women are Hulk levels of angry 24/7 by default.
Honestly, I've always chalk that up to the writers' way of explaining to people new to the She-Hulk franchise as to why she doesn't have to go through the same turmoil as Bruce. Is it kind of clumsy? Yeah. But also, all the marvel TV series kind of are clumsy.

*sigh* Makes me wonder how many people lied about their qualifications to get their positions at marvel.
 
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