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Why not just go with a Liara futa, or Kahly futa? One futa, one normal? Since you got two.
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I take your advice with a great thanks, I'll have a look at Subscribestar ! Thanks for the headsup!
No choice for the gender of main character, it's only gonna be a man.
I was thinking about it today, maybe I'll add a choice for Kahly to be a futa before the sex scenes, so everyone will have his taste pleased
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Really enjoyed what the game had to offer, just goes to show that sometimes less is more when it comes to space assets and the way you make the scenes, the story, writing and the erotic content was also excellent.
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Exactly, the devs would probably win but would have to pay fpr the lawsuit and wait for it to happen so mostly peoples just bow because of the pressure and just let disney win.
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Yeah, I had to delay the futa version. A futa version of the scenes with Kahly will come with the next update, scheduled for the next week end !
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How are you planning on implimenting it? ie is she simply going to be a chick with a dick that gets fucked like any other fem, or is it going to be more about pegging action? will that be a player choice?
I have such mixed feelings about futa, I'm not opposed trans/sissy content, But in almost everything I've seen Futa's tend to get presented as hyper aggressive, I don't mind that so much with Futa vs Fem, but in Futa vs Male I'm simply not into being the sub
(particularly if she has a bigger dick than me )
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I hope that means she will be able to use that cock on us. Fuck it would be so hot if our character wasn't into it but got so turned on by her dick that he stopped caring.
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First, it's going to be a choice before the scene. Then it will not contain any pegging action, classical sex with maybe some frotting or stuff like that but the main character isn't gonna get fuck. At least, not now.
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I'm not a lawyer, but seriously so much wrongs was said...
In the US, it's the
Firstly, a commercial use is less likely to be seen as a parody. And yes, having a Patreon page is high likely to be seen as a commercial use.
Secondly, the usage play a role in way a creation will be seen. Here, it's clearly the appropriation of a third party universe in order for the author to tell his own story. This mean that it's not a parody (an intent to criticism or mock something) but a fan fiction. And mostly,
Thirdly, unlike many authors and/or rights owners, Disney is known to not be happy with parodies and fan fictions. Especially when it goes against it's "for the family" image. There's just no way to imagine that he have an unwritten consent to tell his story.
If taken to court, he would have to face US justice. Therefore, a justice known to be ruling in favor of the US party in case of international lawsuit ; even when it mean bending that Law. And he'll do this with his low grade (because he don't have much money) lawyer, while facing tenth of the best lawyers in the country. If it wasn't enough, the US judicial system rely as well on the reputation, than on the facts. And here there's no doubt that Disney would be seen as the good guy, especially put face to a porn game author.
Did anyone really think that, in a US justice court, the lawyer of a poor porn game author stand a chance face to the millions dollars lawyers of a virtue and morality defender like Disney ?
Hopefully, he'll never have to face a judge. Disney have other things to do that to effectively pursue a foreigner author for a small game that have at most few thousand of players. They'll just put enough pressure on his shoulder for him do resign.
Suing the studio behind the porn movie would make Disney looks like a fool. They put so few efforts in the game making, that not a single second you can believe it take place in the Star Wars Universe. It's too ridiculous to even worth the right to be qualified as being a parody. Mel Brooks's Spaceballs looks like an accurate copy of Star Wars in comparison of this porn movie.
But for this game it's the opposite. The author put a lot of efforts in it, using as accurate as possible models and images. Not a single second you doubt that the game take place in the Star Wars universe. Who seen the banner image, and haven't immediately related it to Luke and R2D2 ? It's not Luke, and Dx isn't blue, yet for a second what we seen was Luke and R2.
Worse, he put the exact names on top of these accurate models. Going as far as having Rex wear a clone trooper shoulder pad at his color ; what clearly state that it's this rex, and not just someone having the same first name. This mean that he doesn't just put his story in the Star Wars universe, he also strongly link it with the Star Wars stories.
He isn't the only one making an adult game in the Star Wars universe, but if one day the hammer strike, he'll be the first one to be hit, and the one that would be hit the hardest.
Paying homage is good, and the story is interesting, but there's really changes that have to be made in the script in order to limits the risk to effectively rise the attention of Disney.
Firstly, a change in the names. With the help of the models, he can easily state the characters without using their names. A green Twi'lek saying that being general really have nothing in common with the time she was the captain of the Phantom, is enough. Those who know will understood that it's Syndulla, ex captain of the Ghost, while the other don't know who she is even with her real name being used. Instead of an obvious copyright infringement of a character from Star Wars Rebels, it become an homage to this said character.
Secondly, a change in the setting. Placing it outside of a clearly defined time period offer more liberties, and therefore will open more gates for the story to be seen more as a parody or a homage, than as a pure copyright infringement. Since what left of the Ghost crew is in the story, somewhere in the thirty years after the battle of Andor. More on the 4 to 10 after the Battle of Yavin, than after ; the moment when the Empire lost his power due to the Emperor death, and the moment the First order replaced it. As reference, The Mandalorian take place in 10 ABY, the rest of the Empire keep a low profile, the Republic is never effectively mentioned, and the First Order is nowhere to be seen yet.
This is the perfect period to place the story. Since the Republic isn't restored, the Rebellion forces haven't been dismantled yet. Since the fall of the Empire is recent, some(/many) high officers can jump on the opportunity to rule the planet for themselves, with the help of the troupes in place ; this while you can expect many secondary planets to haven't heard about the news. As for the First Order, it's something that have yet to happen. As a side note, 4 to 10 ABY is a period not covered by the series, what mean that whatever you decide to put in those time, it will not really hurt The Cannon universe.
[geek mode]The time relocation is needed anyway. The dialog between Rex and Rogue-8 establish that Hot retreat happened a long time ago, while the Empire is still existent. This mean that at anytime we can expect the battle of Endor to happen (less than one year between the two)[/geek mode].
With just those two changes, you lower the spot your game create on the radars, and the potential interest that Disney would have to make you stop. They aren't fools, they probably discover all of our perverts pleasures in the few months that follow their first release. They just measure what would have the most negative impact on their image ; is it closing their eyes and let the creation exist, or is it upsetting a part of the community by suing the author. Keep your game on the good side, and you'll drastically increase your chance to never heard the name of their lawyers.
This being said, SnafuDelirium you should take a look at the Development section of the forum. This in order to find the different way to translate the few part still left in French.
And there's also a big concern regarding the lack of variables. It's really mood killing to hear Rogue-8 think about trying again the Sith power, when you decided to not try them in the first place. And I guess that it will just increase in the future, leading to a story that is accurate to your thinking, but not to the players decisions.
Parody benefit from the fair use exception, but for this it need for the creation to be a parody. And this, only Justice can decide it ; by example, US Law (since the two companies owning the rights he broke depend of it) make a
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, that most people wouldn't make. Plus, obviously, the what's this "parody attempts" mean ? Law don't care about "attempts", either it is, or it isn't. But "I wanted it to be, so it is" have absolutely no meaning.In the US, it's the
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that will decide what his game is. And the answer is not "it is a parody".Firstly, a commercial use is less likely to be seen as a parody. And yes, having a Patreon page is high likely to be seen as a commercial use.
Secondly, the usage play a role in way a creation will be seen. Here, it's clearly the appropriation of a third party universe in order for the author to tell his own story. This mean that it's not a parody (an intent to criticism or mock something) but a fan fiction. And mostly,
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. The two interesting cases, in the 10 presented, are the second and third ones. "Salinger V. Colting" (the sequel of a third party story is not a fair use), and "Suntrust V. Houghton Mifflin" (the rewriting of a third party story, to expose it from another perspective is fair use). But he is more falling under the first case (telling a new story in a universe he like) that the second one (paying homage to a universe he like).Thirdly, unlike many authors and/or rights owners, Disney is known to not be happy with parodies and fan fictions. Especially when it goes against it's "for the family" image. There's just no way to imagine that he have an unwritten consent to tell his story.
And here you are definitely wrong.
If taken to court, he would have to face US justice. Therefore, a justice known to be ruling in favor of the US party in case of international lawsuit ; even when it mean bending that Law. And he'll do this with his low grade (because he don't have much money) lawyer, while facing tenth of the best lawyers in the country. If it wasn't enough, the US judicial system rely as well on the reputation, than on the facts. And here there's no doubt that Disney would be seen as the good guy, especially put face to a porn game author.
Did anyone really think that, in a US justice court, the lawyer of a poor porn game author stand a chance face to the millions dollars lawyers of a virtue and morality defender like Disney ?
Hopefully, he'll never have to face a judge. Disney have other things to do that to effectively pursue a foreigner author for a small game that have at most few thousand of players. They'll just put enough pressure on his shoulder for him do resign.
Way less infringements in the movie than in his game.
Suing the studio behind the porn movie would make Disney looks like a fool. They put so few efforts in the game making, that not a single second you can believe it take place in the Star Wars Universe. It's too ridiculous to even worth the right to be qualified as being a parody. Mel Brooks's Spaceballs looks like an accurate copy of Star Wars in comparison of this porn movie.
But for this game it's the opposite. The author put a lot of efforts in it, using as accurate as possible models and images. Not a single second you doubt that the game take place in the Star Wars universe. Who seen the banner image, and haven't immediately related it to Luke and R2D2 ? It's not Luke, and Dx isn't blue, yet for a second what we seen was Luke and R2.
Worse, he put the exact names on top of these accurate models. Going as far as having Rex wear a clone trooper shoulder pad at his color ; what clearly state that it's this rex, and not just someone having the same first name. This mean that he doesn't just put his story in the Star Wars universe, he also strongly link it with the Star Wars stories.
He isn't the only one making an adult game in the Star Wars universe, but if one day the hammer strike, he'll be the first one to be hit, and the one that would be hit the hardest.
Paying homage is good, and the story is interesting, but there's really changes that have to be made in the script in order to limits the risk to effectively rise the attention of Disney.
Firstly, a change in the names. With the help of the models, he can easily state the characters without using their names. A green Twi'lek saying that being general really have nothing in common with the time she was the captain of the Phantom, is enough. Those who know will understood that it's Syndulla, ex captain of the Ghost, while the other don't know who she is even with her real name being used. Instead of an obvious copyright infringement of a character from Star Wars Rebels, it become an homage to this said character.
Secondly, a change in the setting. Placing it outside of a clearly defined time period offer more liberties, and therefore will open more gates for the story to be seen more as a parody or a homage, than as a pure copyright infringement. Since what left of the Ghost crew is in the story, somewhere in the thirty years after the battle of Andor. More on the 4 to 10 after the Battle of Yavin, than after ; the moment when the Empire lost his power due to the Emperor death, and the moment the First order replaced it. As reference, The Mandalorian take place in 10 ABY, the rest of the Empire keep a low profile, the Republic is never effectively mentioned, and the First Order is nowhere to be seen yet.
This is the perfect period to place the story. Since the Republic isn't restored, the Rebellion forces haven't been dismantled yet. Since the fall of the Empire is recent, some(/many) high officers can jump on the opportunity to rule the planet for themselves, with the help of the troupes in place ; this while you can expect many secondary planets to haven't heard about the news. As for the First Order, it's something that have yet to happen. As a side note, 4 to 10 ABY is a period not covered by the series, what mean that whatever you decide to put in those time, it will not really hurt The Cannon universe.
[geek mode]The time relocation is needed anyway. The dialog between Rex and Rogue-8 establish that Hot retreat happened a long time ago, while the Empire is still existent. This mean that at anytime we can expect the battle of Endor to happen (less than one year between the two)[/geek mode].
With just those two changes, you lower the spot your game create on the radars, and the potential interest that Disney would have to make you stop. They aren't fools, they probably discover all of our perverts pleasures in the few months that follow their first release. They just measure what would have the most negative impact on their image ; is it closing their eyes and let the creation exist, or is it upsetting a part of the community by suing the author. Keep your game on the good side, and you'll drastically increase your chance to never heard the name of their lawyers.
This being said, SnafuDelirium you should take a look at the Development section of the forum. This in order to find the different way to translate the few part still left in French.
And there's also a big concern regarding the lack of variables. It's really mood killing to hear Rogue-8 think about trying again the Sith power, when you decided to not try them in the first place. And I guess that it will just increase in the future, leading to a story that is accurate to your thinking, but not to the players decisions.
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Wow, don't know where to start the answer. Sorry about my poor english in that answer btw.
About the time period (not the most important things of your post, i agree, but i gotta start by something haha.) first. You're right, it's one of my weakpoint in the story. I don't really know where to place it altough it's suposed to be between Endor and Hoth, as you rightly guessed it. But, apart from the hoth evacuation talk with Rex, I have carefully wrote the story with no "time settings" really said because of that.
About the variables. You win a point, I've never really thought about the fact that some players will not choose the "sith power" route (because it will obvioulsy lead to a sex scene, apart in the cantina, and since 90% of players have downloaded the game for those scenes....) but I'll have a look at how i can put a system that can remember player choice and change the dialog option with that ! Thanks for the heads up.
About the names/copyright issues. To be honnest, when i started the project, i mostly did it for myself. I've always wanted to find a good VN (not much an NSFW one ) set in the star wars universe. And since i was already making stuff in SFM, i said to myself why not doing it myself ? Well, what i'm trying to say is i never planned for it to have some success so i thought i wasnt going to have troubles with copyrights. But with all you said, I start to worry about it a bit.
You're absolutely right about the hommage thingy (like, changing the name of Hera, to use your exemple). The SW fans will still get who she is even if i don't say her real name. I don't know what to do anymore. Start all again from scratch ? Or keep it that way for a bit to see if the storm is coming to get my ass ? Damn, i've already put so much hours in the making of this (tbh, the renpy script is quite simple, i'm much more talking about the "creating the pictures/animations and render them) ...
About the time period (not the most important things of your post, i agree, but i gotta start by something haha.) first. You're right, it's one of my weakpoint in the story. I don't really know where to place it altough it's suposed to be between Endor and Hoth, as you rightly guessed it. But, apart from the hoth evacuation talk with Rex, I have carefully wrote the story with no "time settings" really said because of that.
About the variables. You win a point, I've never really thought about the fact that some players will not choose the "sith power" route (because it will obvioulsy lead to a sex scene, apart in the cantina, and since 90% of players have downloaded the game for those scenes....) but I'll have a look at how i can put a system that can remember player choice and change the dialog option with that ! Thanks for the heads up.
About the names/copyright issues. To be honnest, when i started the project, i mostly did it for myself. I've always wanted to find a good VN (not much an NSFW one ) set in the star wars universe. And since i was already making stuff in SFM, i said to myself why not doing it myself ? Well, what i'm trying to say is i never planned for it to have some success so i thought i wasnt going to have troubles with copyrights. But with all you said, I start to worry about it a bit.
You're absolutely right about the hommage thingy (like, changing the name of Hera, to use your exemple). The SW fans will still get who she is even if i don't say her real name. I don't know what to do anymore. Start all again from scratch ? Or keep it that way for a bit to see if the storm is coming to get my ass ? Damn, i've already put so much hours in the making of this (tbh, the renpy script is quite simple, i'm much more talking about the "creating the pictures/animations and render them) ...
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I think the trick would be to somewhat break away from the Star Wars universe a bit further. Introduce some aspects from generic sci-fi which are not commonly regarded as being Star Wars.
Teleporter beams, for example, or some hard-sci-fi weaponry or locations (firing metal rods to a planet surface for kinetic damage instead of the usual laser/plasma weaponry, a dyson ring as a location, paying homage to Larry Niven while you're at it), some more non-star trek species, as you already have Asari, so you could add some Klingon or Romulans. Maybe even visit Earth! Overall, you wouldn't have to change the story too much, but could decidedly place it in the "Homages to great science fiction settings" genre, instead of making it scream "this is Star Wars!"
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I don't have anything about it being set in a SciFi setting but don't count on me for Star Trek, it sucks .
Just kidding, I just don't like it. Never felt "connected" to the characters or the plot, but that's not the topic haha.
About adding SciFi stuff (like, others races etc), I'm kinda limited to the 3D models for SFM that have a good enough quality.. :/
if it's a case of being limited by available models can you alter them a little, minor changes here and there, changing insignia, changing the colour filter to make uniforms/ships look different, doesn't have to be much, copyright cases are more likely to go your way if your assets aren't identical to established cannon of someone else.I don't have anything about it being set in a SciFi setting but don't count on me for Star Trek, it sucks .
Just kidding, I just don't like it. Never felt "connected" to the characters or the plot, but that's not the topic haha.
About adding SciFi stuff (like, others races etc), I'm kinda limited to the 3D models for SFM that have a good enough quality.. :/
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You're right, but I have absolutely 0 knowledge about using 3D modelling softwares..
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Don't worry too much either. As I said, there's reason to sue you, but it doesn't mean that they would effectively go this far.
No one, not even the big companies, and not even when they know for sure that they'll win, want to loose time having to deal with Justice. If you look at the news, time to time, there's a compromise between two companies that hit the first page ; even when there's millions to gain, even when it represent parts of the market that are lost, they prefere an agreement to a judge ruling the case. And you aren't a big company, they can't expect more from you than few thousands ; that wouldn't even cover their expenses.
Therefore, if one day they want to go against you, there's 99,99% chance that they start with a really strict and serious e-mail ordering you to cease immediately what you are doing. Inside they'll talk about lawsuit, about millions of dollars, but isn't it the best way to make someone resign ? There will be the name of a prestigious lawyers office in this e-mail, but it will be wrote by an intern. The goal for them is to go back to their client and say "it's done, he will never ever do this".
It's up to you. I can give advice, but not really much alas.
In your shoes, I would probably take a week to think about it. About the story, but also about the renders you already have, in order to see what can possibly be sacrificed with the least cost. By example the ISB officer is in less renders than the stormtroopers, what mean that changing it for something else would have a lesser cost than replacing the said stormtroopers.
Dripping approach seem to be the best one. You already included Asari in the universe, so you can turn the whole setting in something more global that would be the conjunction between SF universes. In one way it increase the risk to have one right owner going against you, but in the same time it increase the "homage" part ; you don't exploit an universe in particular, but pay tribute to the universe you like, possibly those who made your days during your youth.
In addition to what I said previously, I think that the main point would be to redefine the relation between the MC group (actually the rebellion) and its antagonist (actually the authorities through the Empire).
Do you know the TV series Farscape ? Globally, it's a bunch a people, each from a different race (one even from a totally different place of the universe) forced, half by hazard, to coexist inside a ship. Each one have its own reason to be there, and its own personal motive, but they also have a common enemy, what imply a common goal (staying alive and free).
The "Rebellion" (that will have to be renamed) could inspire from this, but on a bigger scale. It could have started as some kind of sanctuary for people who flew after some kind of warlord took the control of their planet, persecuted religious or species, and things like that. At start they weren't intended to be fighters, but being such an motley assembly, wherever they goes in the past, there were always some entity that wanted to goes against a part of the community.
This led them, over decades, to shift from a pure sanctuary, to a protective force in the galaxy, this to compensate the lack of unified control in the galaxy. There's an entity that would look like our UNO, but like it, it have a limited power (I'll come back to this below). Wherever there's a community in danger, they can ask asylum or protection to the "Rebellion". A warlord want to take the control of a planet at the border ? The "Rebellion" will come fight against him, to let this planet stay the anarcho-democracy it actually is. There's a rise of racism against "this specie", on a given planet ? The "Rebellion" will come and help any member of this specie to safely escape and start a new life somewhere else. And so on. Everywhere the authorities fail to protect the innocents, the "Rebellion" will do it.
At the opposite, you've the "Empire" (that here also will have to be renamed). As I said, in fact of empire, it's more a federation of representatives that try to keep a kind of unity in the galaxy. And this UNO-like have a Blue Helmets-like force. Like them, they are military forces, with what's best as equipment, but are expected to be just peace makers. What would explain the stormtroopers being present almost everywhere and partly inquisitive.
Except that all this was the intent behind the creation of this entity, decades/centuries ago. Nowadays, all this became a "stay away of our garden" entity. The few most powerful civilization in the galaxy give a shit tons of money to the "Empire" to operate the Blue Helmets, to the condition that the said Blue Helmets keep the troubles far from the system(s) they own. This would also explain that the closer to the center you are, the more stormtroopers you'll find ; and the more they would be prone to fire first, then ask if there's still something that can answer.
This mean that, without being effectively a dictatorship, the "Empire" is an authoritative entity that try to enforce a given, and strict, vision of what "order" mean ; and "order" mean "don't mess with the wealthy, and the best way to achieve that is for you to stay on your shitty planet/sector". Therefore, they don't really care if a warlord take the control of a planet, since it mean that he don't search to attack one of the powerful planet. Same, a minority persecuted ? Well, it's people that will not try to profess whatever the believe in, in one of the powerful system.
And so on. You aren't protected because there's stormtroopers, because it's not you they are ordered to protect. What give it's reason to exist to the "Rebellion".
In the end, the relation between "Rebellion" and "Empire" would looks like:
The "Rebellion" isn't at wars against the "Empire". They don't like the ideology behind, but they still keep a certain level of peace. It's even possible that some officers really care about the poor. This being said, not being at war doesn't mean that they'll not fight back anytime it's necessary.
At the opposite, the "Rebellion" being a community that include people that are somewhere seen as outcasts, when not outlaws, the "Empire" fight the "Rebellion". You can't, by example, evacuate a persecuted race without killing some fucking airhead racists, even if they are mandated by the local authorities. What mean that there's tons of warrants against active members of the "Rebellion", and even against the "Rebellion" itself as entity. Plus, it's an armed and united force that seem to have communist views (they think that everyone is equal and deserve to be humanly treated ? What horror !), therefore they represent a danger for the powerful civilization and need to be destroyed.
It don't really change much to the story, but give a new meaning to everything. It's a meaning that would permit you to separate from the Star Wars universe. Plus, between the sanctuary nature of the "Rebellion", and the anarchic nature of the galaxy outside of its powerful center, it give you a lot of space to introduce other SF universe.
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[Sorry for the double post]
Put colors on the texture of stormtroopers, and they already are something different.
If you use Daz Studio, you can also surely use some existing morphs to give small, but significant alterations.
You can also mix clothes when it's possible. Put a Fallout's power armor helmet on top of a stormtrooper armor, and once again it already become something different.
You don't necessarily need to model them.
Put colors on the texture of stormtroopers, and they already are something different.
If you use Daz Studio, you can also surely use some existing morphs to give small, but significant alterations.
You can also mix clothes when it's possible. Put a Fallout's power armor helmet on top of a stormtrooper armor, and once again it already become something different.
Before I say anything else I have to make clear I am definitely NOT qualified to give even the most rudimentary legal advice
"The English maker of the original helmets for the film Star Wars is allowed to continue to sell replicas of the helmets and uniforms from the film because the originals were not artistic enough to be protected by copyright. "
looks like stormtroopes might be safe too, just change the colours and try to alter any insignia
what probably won't be safe is the millennium falcon, and other obvious star wars ships and vehicles.
This made me laugh, Rebellion and Empire are generic terms that I cannot beleive are covered by copyright. That being said they are easy to modify, all empires have a word stating whos empire, Roman Empire, British Empire etc, you can just stick a word you like in front of it, Cumdonian Empire for example, likewise for the goodguys Fucktrees Rebellion has a nice ring
"The English maker of the original helmets for the film Star Wars is allowed to continue to sell replicas of the helmets and uniforms from the film because the originals were not artistic enough to be protected by copyright. "
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looks like stormtroopes might be safe too, just change the colours and try to alter any insignia
what probably won't be safe is the millennium falcon, and other obvious star wars ships and vehicles.
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