VN Ren'Py The Roommate [v0.11.04] [togs]

[gregers]

is there any way to NOT have cassie in the game at all? i mean seriously, whats up with the author forcing this character in the story?

Hiring her should be avoidable, I haven't hired her on my playthrough. She'll still appear along with everyone else for group scenes like the communal night out and the barbecue, but if she turns up for work at the reception desk without you having hired her, it sounds like a bug.

 

[Gojii]

is there any way to NOT have cassie in the game at all? i mean seriously, whats up with the author forcing this character in the story? i tried every combo i could during the first selection processes till i finally got one that doesnt include her, personally id prefer to actually just have the choices you make be relevant, like choosing A leads to A rather then A leading to B. anyway, im on the second selection process with bree, carolyn, chloe, and vanessa, but it seems there is no choice combo i can choose that will exclude her from appearing. is there any way we could get a pole up to see if people want the choices to more directly matter, or if they would rather the choices have choices that indirectly change things in unforeseeable ways?

You think that's bad, wait until later where you are given "options" and you get railroaded to be given the least qualified one that you (likely) have zero interest in giving it to at all. (I will continue to hate on the Kiki content, idgaf. )

 

[CallingforBooty]

A new public post from patreon

Never a dull moment...

An hour ago
Somehow or other I managed to trap my hand while moving some furniture just over a week ago. I didn't actually break anything but I was bleeding like a stuck pig and it swelled up like, um... something really swollen.
So I lost about a week in terms of doing the 3D stuff, but I was able to use some of that time productively in that I played the game start-to-finish a number of times trying to get a feel for how other people experience it.
It's hard to be objective about your own work but having done my best to play a "middle path" I have to concede that it does feel like there's a strong tilt towards the so-called "Dark Paths". That's a term I came up with for want of a better way of describing the kind of content that isn't necessarily to everyone's taste.

So maybe it's time for a confession or two. I'm a shade over sixty - a fact that continues to amaze me although not in a terribly good way! I've had more than my fair share of intimate relationships - particularly before I got married in my mid-thirties.
BUT... my personal experience is pretty vanilla - fantasy and reality are worlds apart... I haven't tasted breast milk since I was maybe a year old and it has zero appeal to me in real life, but I enjoy it as a fantasy element in the game. The same goes for anal sex - I can't think of a single woman I've slept with that I'd have ever thought would have been particularly receptive to that idea. I know plenty of people (including some female friends) that say it's greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's a late-night fantasy rather than I would actually want to engage in.

Admittedly, I did once handcuff a girlfriend but she had been a very naughty girl.
That, vibrators and blindfolds are about the limit of my experience when it comes to being kinky! I'm also most definitely NOT a young, virile, multi-millionaire so the game truly is a work of fantasy.
As I've mentioned previously, the visual effects business got hammered during the time the writers and actors were on strike and the money from a number of particularly generous patrons was a big factor in adding some of the "darker" material and it is actually fun to work on.

While I know there's definitely a significant part of the audience that enjoys it, I fully recognize the majority of people are either ambivalent or actively dislike it and feel like it's been forced on them. In purely financial terms I can't afford to piss anyone off and it's not something I would want anyway.

So while I plan to continue moving the timeline forward, I'm also going to spend some of the time I'm waiting on renders to try and rebalance things. I'm not planning to cut anything and I will certainly have to retcon some things to allow for that, so make sure you keep those old saved game files if you're open to rewinding the timeline a little.
I can't promise "100% satisfaction" but I do listen and I try to be responsive to criticism. At the end of the day, it's a game and the whole point is that people should enjoy it.

So keep the comments coming and I'll do my utmost to deliver something that pleases most of the people most of the time!
I am truly grateful for your support - unemployment ran out months ago and I'm still dealing with the bureaucracy of claiming retirement/social security benefits and every penny counts.

 

[NebulousShooter]

A new public post from patreon

Maybe the main girl will finally not be a whore by default, but wishful thinking.

 

[gregers]

In purely financial terms I can't afford to piss anyone off

quiet part/loud



While this all sounds encouraging* (although the content I mind is not so much 'dark' as 'incoherently nonsensical') I'll have to wait and see how any revisions are actually carried through. Any time you go back and change something there's an increased chance of something else breaking.

If the outright bugs could be fixed, that'd be grand as well.


* Not the stuff about togs hurting his hand, obvs.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Maybe the main girl will finally not be a whore by default, but wishful thinking.

Maybe the game's player won't reject our buxom roommate by default, but wishful thinking.



To be clear, I make no defense for the other characters strongly leaning to slutitude, but with Kari, it's weird that giving her the cold shoulder would be considered the 'default' for anyone!

 

[NebulousShooter]

Maybe the game's player won't reject our buxom roommate by default, but wishful thinking.



To be clear, I make no defense for the other characters strongly leaning to slutitude, but with Kari, it's weird that giving her the cold shoulder would be considered the 'default' for anyone!

Thats how I refer to their fates if the player interferes the least with their lives. Usually that means not dating them.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Thats how I refer to their fates if the player interferes the least with their lives. Usually that means not dating them.

Which is a totally valid outlook for real life, but here, the player IS the main character of the universe, and that can't be discounted.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Which is a totally valid outlook for real life, but here, the player IS the main character of the universe, and that can't be discounted.

Is it too much to ask that she is a whore only if 'the main character of the universe' pushes her to that instead of becoming one if you don't save her from herself...by fucking her ? I just find that trope very lame.

 

[Emelex]

Hi guys. Sorry for the long radio silence. If you've kept up with my patreon you'll know I'm going through some "life changes".

Long story short, work is slow coming back, I'm going to take early retirement, find some part time work and keep cracking on with the game.

I've got a lot of catching up to do here, will be responding to various questions, etc., over the next few days!

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I just read most of that latest Patreon post. I have two major comments:
1. I already knew this game was made by an English father, but I admittedly didn't expect one who's "a shade over sixty". That's not a complement or a detriment, I was just surprised is all.
2. I'm still not sure why no one on Patreon has commented on the fact that the game currently ignores your decision if Kiki is selected to be John's date the day before the dinner. If you pick her, the game just acts like the player chose Lois as his dinner date the next day. Either the option to chose Kiki needs to be removed from that day, or new code and renders must be added to make Kiki an option, because the way things are isn't quite right.

 

[internet_says]

While I know there's definitely a significant part of the audience that enjoys it, I fully recognize the majority of people are either ambivalent or actively dislike it and feel like it's been forced on them. In purely financial terms I can't afford to piss anyone off and it's not something I would want anyway.

I don't think this is actually true, I'd probably say based on the existing poll at the top it's probably at best 50/50 and realistically somewhat weighted more toward the "dark path". That position based on it being an adult game and there typically being more stuff on those paths to cater to that, and that based on that poll about 50% want slut or submissive and then another 25% want non exclusive girlfriend which I believe there are probably some portion that would choose "dark path" relationships for others if they want a harem.

Not looking to start a ruckus I think the solution of making things optional and not forcing things is great and should be implemented but I think the dislike of the "dark path" is probably a bit overblown based on how vocal the people that don't like it are.

 

[gregers]

I don't think this is actually true, I'd probably say based on the existing poll at the top it's probably at best 50/50 and realistically somewhat weighted more toward the "dark path". That position based on it being an adult game and there typically being more stuff on those paths to cater to that, and that based on that poll about 50% want slut or submissive and then another 25% want non exclusive girlfriend which I believe there are probably some portion that would choose "dark path" relationships for others if they want a harem.

Not looking to start a ruckus I think the solution of making things optional and not forcing things is great and should be implemented but I think the dislike of the "dark path" is probably a bit overblown based on how vocal the people that don't like it are.

I think a lot of it comes down to vague language. There may be plenty of people who are fine with what some would call 'dark' content (D/s-relationships and other bdsm elements, the MC being a bit of a prick in general) but aren't into the sharing/sluttification vibe that the game has increasingly been leaning into.

The poll at the top of the thread was made a year-and-a-half ago when the relationship with Lois started to branch out and doesn't really reflect the game's current direction, IMO.

/noruckus

 

[Master of Puppets]

I don't think this is actually true, I'd probably say based on the existing poll at the top it's probably at best 50/50 and realistically somewhat weighted more toward the "dark path". That position based on it being an adult game and there typically being more stuff on those paths to cater to that, and that based on that poll about 50% want slut or submissive and then another 25% want non exclusive girlfriend which I believe there are probably some portion that would choose "dark path" relationships for others if they want a harem.

Not looking to start a ruckus I think the solution of making things optional and not forcing things is great and should be implemented but I think the dislike of the "dark path" is probably a bit overblown based on how vocal the people that don't like it are.

What the hell are you talking about? The poll doesn't have anything to do with the cuck content that togs stupidly confuses with "dark".

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I think a lot of it comes down to vague language. There may be plenty of people who are fine with what some would call 'dark' content (D/s-relationships and other bdsm elements, the MC being a bit of a prick in general) but aren't into the sharing/sluttification vibe that the game has increasingly been leaning into.

The poll at the top of the thread was made a year-and-a-half ago when the relationship with Lois started to branch out and doesn't really reflect the game's current direction, IMO.

/noruckus

Usually I hate any kind of data collection by games, but this is one case where I wish the results of the monogamy/group sex questionaire near end were recorded and uploaded to dev. It'd be interesting to see what the actual numbers are. My hunch is that it's the common case of the patreon fanbase leaning one way with f95 vocally leaning the other. I could certainly be wrong though.

 

[gregers]

Usually I hate any kind of data collection by games, but this is one case where I wish the results of the monogamy/group sex questionaire near end were recorded and uploaded to dev. It'd be interesting to see what the actual numbers are. My hunch is that it's the common case of the patreon fanbase leaning one way with f95 vocally leaning the other. I could certainly be wrong though.

I'm not interested enough to think that in-game analytics would be in any way excusable, but did wonder what the point was of such a detailed questionnaire when it's (at least currenlty) used for nothing at all.

And yeah, I don't think there's any doubt that some of togs' Patreon supporters are big into the sharing/whoring stuff. How many and at what tier I've no idea. But if he's relying on that revenue stream it's understandable that their wishes carry more weight than the no-good freeloaders over on this site.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I'm not interested enough to think that in-game analytics would be in any way excusable, but did wonder what the point was of such a detailed questionnaire when it's (at least currenlty) used for nothing at all.

too true at what could be a valuable tool has been used and abused so much by developers that distrust is well warranted.

 

[SteelyDan14]

I'm not interested enough to think that in-game analytics would be in any way excusable, but did wonder what the point was of such a detailed questionnaire when it's (at least currenlty) used for nothing at all.

And yeah, I don't think there's any doubt that some of togs' Patreon supporters are big into the sharing/whoring stuff. How many and at what tier I've no idea. But if he's relying on that revenue stream it's understandable that their wishes carry more weight than the no-good freeloaders over on this site.

I just wish people, in general, would stop getting so butt hurt over shit. Each of us have had our own experiences in life and we all have different thoughts and feelings about shit. Of course there are going to be those who hate even the whisper of NTR while there are going to be others who want to see some sluttification. Interestingly, this thread has been pretty balanced, but the dev has obviously been getting some communications we are not seeing and I think that's too bad because the dude seems to be taking it pretty hard.

And speaking as one of his supporters, I think if we were all into the sharing/whoring stuff then this would not be an issue. In my experience, he is probably getting it from the non-sharing/whoring group but it is not really "public". I am sure he is getting it as DM or private conversations.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[SlapE]

I just wish people, in general, would stop getting so butt hurt over shit. Each of us have had our own experiences in life and we all have different thoughts and feelings about shit. Of course there are going to be those who hate even the whisper of NTR while there are going to be others who want to see some sluttification. Interestingly, this thread has been pretty balanced, but the dev has obviously been getting some communications we are not seeing and I think that's too bad because the dude seems to be taking it pretty hard.

And speaking as one of his supporters, I think if we were all into the sharing/whoring stuff then this would not be an issue. In my experience, he is probably getting it from the non-sharing/whoring group but it is not really "public". I am sure he is getting it as DM or private conversations.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.

It has nothing to do with NTR being in the game, or the girls becoming 'slutty'. It has to do with the inconsistency, and the girls becoming more and more slutty without player input. If it was like this from the beginning of the game, no one would bat an eye. I'm not even talking about revealing clothes, I don't really give much of a shit about that. It's more-so their behavior and attitude. Neither Kari, nor Lois, were anything like they are now at the start of the game.

I have no problem with an OPTION for the girls to become more liberal with their outfits, or becoming whores, or whatever the case may be. I just wish it was optional, since for the most part all content like this was optional at one point, then it just suddenly wasn't. I have no idea if this is due to workload, or pressure from patreons, or whatever the case may be. I do know though that, it sucks for those of us that were enjoying a game that was once something fun and full of choice, that is slowly devolving into a sudo kinetic novel full of increasingly slutty "love interests" and paths that hardly matter for certain characters anymore. Where our choices don't matter all that much, and things are being forced by the plot.

At this point, might as well just default all love interests to a slut or whore path, and turn it into a full fledged sharing extravaganza where the MC just let's them do whatever the hell they want, and they can run around wearing nothing at all.

/rant over

 

[johnpouljones]

IMO in the next update I wanted it to be possible to lay off the biggest whores collectively. And also the possibility of breaking up with some people outside the company. I would keep one or two girls. Or just that obedient cult in the basement.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

It has nothing to do with NTR being in the game, or the girls becoming 'slutty'. It has to do with the inconsistency, and the girls becoming more and more slutty without player input. If it was like this from the beginning of the game, no one would bat an eye. I'm not even talking about revealing clothes, I don't really give much of a shit about that. It's more-so their behavior and attitude. Neither Kari, nor Lois, were anything like they are now at the start of the game.

I have no problem with an OPTION for the girls to become more liberal with their outfits, or becoming whores, or whatever the case may be. I just wish it was optional, since for the most part all content like this was optional at one point, then it just suddenly wasn't. I have no idea if this is due to workload, or pressure from patreons, or whatever the case may be. I do know though that, it sucks for those of us that were enjoying a game that was once something fun and full of choice, that is slowly devolving into a sudo kinetic novel full of increasingly slutty "love interests" and paths that hardly matter for certain characters anymore. Where our choices don't matter all that much, and things are being forced by the plot.

At this point, might as well just default all love interests to a slut or whore path, and turn it into a full fledged sharing extravaganza, where the MC just let's them do whatever the hell they want, and they can run around wearing nothing at all.

/rant over

And to build on that, it's everything without player input, leaving fans of all fetishes disappointed.

You want Lori to be a kind and innocent girlfriend? Too bad.

You want to not go a pregnancy harem path with the sisters? Too bad.

You want to get Kari far away from the breastaurant? Too bad.

You want to encourage your girlfriend Kari to get more wild at the restaurant? Too bad.