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"you should be able to crack her ... by day 3"

That would be kind of a short game though...
The question of if our guy is going to take advantage of her on some routes is valid though, if we assume that if he does he's playing a long game to make her his long-term rather than get his rocks off once and have her freak out and disappear.
Okay... You're looking to hire a receptionist, possibly two. Kari has suggested Aria, and you might want to consider Ashley or Mallory if either of them is your type.

Here are some of the other candidates from HR and The Foundation (all are work in progress and subject to change).

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Top Left to Bottom Right: Tilly, Bree, Rei, Jennie, Cassie and Kayla. Unusually for me, Kayla is completely stock, but I couldn't resist her smile... If she stays I need a new name for her, Kayla being a little too similar to Kari. Maybe we'll have a contest!

There's a little back story to each of them, the idea is you'll do short interviews in game and decide who gets the position.
They all look pretty hot, Tilly maybe looks a little too much like Kari though she is very hot. I'd say her or Bree are my favourites.
In other news, I'm working on wrapping up the Randy storyline. It didn't go over as intended, so I'm just going to finish it and move on. Then there's more fun and games with Kari, Lois and Mallory, and perhaps possibly with Aria, Ashley and Marina if I have time, otherwise they'll have to wait for release 0.5.
It did seem terribly out of character for her from what we know about her. I can easily see her disregarding our advice to avoid him because she's naive and thinks 'he doesn't seem so bad', and I can imagine him trying to kiss her against her will, but it sounded like she was kissing him which didn't seem like it fitted her.
 
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So I'll be as clear as I can be, Kari is supposed to be the nicest, sweetest girl you could ever hope to meet.
Don't hell say that if she goes outside with MC's behind another man and kisses her goodbye at the door. I’m now saying here what many should already be saying out loud, EVERYONE WHO HATES NTR DOES NOT WANT TO SEE IN THEIR GAME THAT LI DOES MC FOR THIS. LIKE SOME CHEAP LYING SLUT. After that, it is no need to imagine that players are interested in that slut at all. Basically, the game can be deleted until that slut can be kicked to hell from the apartment or I can leave it myself. Too bad it's not possible yet. For me, the gaming ended the night this was heard behind the door. I wonder why dev still didn’t put the face of our haters on it and still showed a decent video of it. :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop:
 

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I've said over and over that this hasn't played out the way it was intended, which was supposed to be a slight tease, not the LI randomly turning into a raging whore.

That's partly my fault for not making things clearer, and partly the fact that people are reading more into it than is actually said.

She goes out with the gang from work, not on a date, and this douchebag guy tries to take advantage.

That's the intent at any rate. I've gone to considerable pains to tidy that up and end the whole thing in the next version.

I've also said from the outset that a recurring them in the game is that things aren't always what they seem.

I'm happy to get constructive criticism, and I think I've made plenty of effort to clarify things without "spoiling" too much.

But if you don't like the game, feel free to go and find something more to your taste...

And I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a dick, but it's a game. It's supposed to be fun, getting YELLED AT isn't fun.
 
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I've said over and over that this hasn't played out the way it was intended, which was supposed to be a slight tease, not the LI randomly turning into a raging whore.

That's partly my fault for not making things clearer, and partly the fact that people are reading more into it than is actually said.

She goes out with the gang from work, not on a date, and this douchebag guy tries to take advantage.

That's the intent at any rate. I've gone to considerable pains to tidy that up and end the whole thing in the next version.

I've also said from the outset that a recurring them in the game is that things aren't always what they seem.

I'm happy to get constructive criticism, and I think I've made plenty of effort to clarify things without "spoiling" too much.

But if you don't like the game, feel free to go and find something more to your taste...

And I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a dick, but it's a game. It's supposed to be fun, getting YELLED AT isn't fun.
When I played it, I got the feeling that he tries to kiss her but she doesn't let him, for what reason I don't know. I didn't read too much into it. Hey togs, gona do something about the choices of leaving her alone or kick her out of the house part?
 

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this douchebag guy tries to take advantage
That was my initial understanding of the scene, but then - and I think that's where the intention behind the scene and its reception collide the most - she lies to the MC. It was her lying that suggested to me the possibility that she may be romancing this guy behind MC's back, plus I feel most people simply don't like liars. That being said I assumed that there're other possibilities like her being too shy/scared to admit to the mistake or not wanting to hear MC's 'didn't I tell you so' for example, plus I haven't considered her as my MC's main LI (though the dom/sub points that popped out for a moment made me wonder if there's going to be a nice BDSM romance in the future).
 
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I've said over and over that this hasn't played out the way it was intended, which was supposed to be a slight tease, not the LI randomly turning into a raging whore.

That's partly my fault for not making things clearer, and partly the fact that people are reading more into it than is actually said.

She goes out with the gang from work, not on a date, and this douchebag guy tries to take advantage.

That's the intent at any rate. I've gone to considerable pains to tidy that up and end the whole thing in the next version.

I've also said from the outset that a recurring them in the game is that things aren't always what they seem.

I'm happy to get constructive criticism, and I think I've made plenty of effort to clarify things without "spoiling" too much.

But if you don't like the game, feel free to go and find something more to your taste...

And I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a dick, but it's a game. It's supposed to be fun, getting YELLED AT isn't fun.
I want to start by saying I enjoy the game, I thought Kari would be best girl but then Lois showed up and she's making it difficult to choose. I replayed the game and on my second time through I can see what you were doing with Kari and Randy, though how the scene played out didn't really give the impression of him taking advantage and that might be because we don't see it we are relying on text. It's also not touched on in the following days which leaves it open for interpretation on how exactly she ended up with Randy, no one mentions it, MC doesn't even question it she was supposed to be with Aria as far as we know Aria doesn't know Randy and she doesn't work at ASI so how did they meet up? If I had the option to I'd ask as MC mostly just because it looks like she lied to spend a night with a guy that is known to take advantage of interns, whether MC asked out of jealousy or concern it feels odd to just let it go. I wasn't a fan of her lying to MC's face either I mean I get it they aren't official but it just isn't a good look imo.

Here's a couple of questions that you might be willing to answer if not that's cool too.

Is it possible to romance more than one girl at once without having negative consequences? Not just straight up cheating but if Kari and Lois want to share I'd be so down. Kari and Lois are actually the only ones I'm interested in at the moment though Mallory looks awfully good too.

How much of Mallory's backstory will we actually find out? She's looking like she's going to be a pretty tragic character and I already want to help her because from the sounds of it the uncle was a creep and also shared her with his creep friends which bums me out.


Keep it up, looking forward to the next update.

When I played it, she says 'OK, one kiss...'
This is interesting because in my game she says "Goodnight. No, let's just say goodnight Randy." which again sucks because it makes it look like she's a liar but man if I was MC and heard her agree to kiss him she'd definitely be looking for a new place to stay.
 

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lying about shit like that is what makes people paranoid. So yeah i don't trust her well i don't really trust anybody since trust that shit will get you hurt or killed.
 
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I take the points being made. This is my first try at something like this. The Kari character started out a LONG time ago (the first iteration was a Genesis 2 model, maybe 2014?), so I have a clear impression of who she's supposed to be, but if that doesn't come across it's my fault as a storyteller I guess.

I feel like she caves to pressure from a guy she feels beholden to, and it is supposed to be a "goodnight kiss"...

As to lying, she's young and naive, and it wasn't meant to be flagrant. Again, all this was meant to be a very minor tease for the player - the MC is supposed to be asleep.

I'm still taken aback by the strength of the reaction, which is not what I was looking for, but I'm not going to apologize for the fact that not everything is exactly perfect first time out. I mean, that's why we're doing this, isn't it?

But we're going round in circles here. I hope the changes in version 0.4 will straighten things out once and for all.

There's a story of some kind behind just about every character...

Aria, for example,
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There are deeper back stories to both Lois and Mallory. I have mentioned several times that I'd be grateful for the chance to discuss these, but nobody's come forward, so I guess I'm just going to keep going and hope I don't offend anyone else...

There are more revelations to come about the company and the foundation, and MC's great uncle.

The game has already evolved in ways I didn't foresee when I started, with Lois in particular becoming quite the personality, and Pete having a lesser role than I originally imagined.

I would just say that the original game centered around getting to know Kari, and that the idea that it might be possible at some point to replace her, was just that - an idea to be explored somewhere down the line. Now you'd think it was a basic human right!

I suppose I should be grateful that nobody's bugging me to make Kari the MC's sister... ;)
 

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When I played it, she says 'OK, one kiss...'
I just downloaded and reinstalled and fastfowarded from a load I had and got these Kari lines: "Goodnight! Thanks for the ride."; "No Randy, let's just say goodnight shall we?"; "Okay, one kiss..."; "Move you hand Randy...Right now"; "Whatever, goodnight!".
I'm pretty sure this wasn't the what I got on my first run.
After getting those lines I Installed the WT mod with same choices I made on my first run and got these Kari lines: "Goodnight! Thanks for the ride."; "No, Randy, let's just say goodnight shall we?" End.
So there are different lines for different choices and that's why I didn't give it much thought when I got the "No, Randy, let's just say goodnight shall we?".
 
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The WT mod? I'm assuming that's the hack that shows you the points or whatever for different choices?

I suspect that's due to a mismatch between the initial release of 0.3 and 0.3.1 which was just a couple of days later.

0.3.1 removed hard-coded references to Steve, Simon and Kevin, added the title page graphic and had a couple of other tweaks and bugs fixes I can't recall right now.

I feel I've spent enough time discussing this. Can I ask everyone to reserve judgement until 0.4?

Don't get me wrong, it's good to get feedback, but I've gone over and over this and I still have stuff to do if you guys really do want to see a next version...

And for goodness sake, will someone please message me about the Lois backstory?
 

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I take the points being made. This is my first try at something like this. The Kari character started out a LONG time ago (the first iteration was a Genesis 2 model, maybe 2014?), so I have a clear impression of who she's supposed to be, but if that doesn't come across it's my fault as a storyteller I guess.

I feel like she caves to pressure from a guy she feels beholden to, and it is supposed to be a "goodnight kiss"...

As to lying, she's young and naive, and it wasn't meant to be flagrant. Again, all this was meant to be a very minor tease for the player - the MC is supposed to be asleep.

I'm still taken aback by the strength of the reaction, which is not what I was looking for, but I'm not going to apologize for the fact that not everything is exactly perfect first time out. I mean, that's why we're doing this, isn't it?

But we're going round in circles here. I hope the changes in version 0.4 will straighten things out once and for all.

There's a story of some kind behind just about every character...

Aria, for example,
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There are deeper back stories to both Lois and Mallory. I have mentioned several times that I'd be grateful for the chance to discuss these, but nobody's come forward, so I guess I'm just going to keep going and hope I don't offend anyone else...

There are more revelations to come about the company and the foundation, and MC's great uncle.

The game has already evolved in ways I didn't foresee when I started, with Lois in particular becoming quite the personality, and Pete having a lesser role than I originally imagined.

I would just say that the original game centered around getting to know Kari, and that the idea that it might be possible at some point to replace her, was just that - an idea to be explored somewhere down the line. Now you'd think it was a basic human right!

I suppose I should be grateful that nobody's bugging me to make Kari the MC's sister... ;)
If you don’t want players to start yelling at you, then don’t put any women in contact with another man. All the "teasing" is too much and you have now seen that "little teasing" is not acceptable, especially if the woman is a person close to the player. For example, Karin and a few other women in this game.

You made a mistake so fix it. Completely remove that Randy and Kari scene and their connection, and things will be swept under the rug. Don’t make the Head Woman a lying slut like you did now. The fact that she is young does not make her a liar and a slut at the same time. Otherwise, you will constantly get shouts about it. Do not use the SKIP BUTTON but remove that context completely. This "little tease" will only cost you a loss. So think about how to bring it up in the upcoming 0.4 version. If you want to avoid player loss, then believe this advice.
 
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If you don’t want players to start yelling at you, then don’t put any women in contact with another man. All the "teasing" is too much and you have now seen that "little teasing" is not acceptable, especially if the woman is a person close to the player. For example, Karin and a few other women in this game.

You made a mistake so fix it. Completely remove that Randy and Kari scene and their connection, and things will be swept under the rug. Don’t make the Head Woman a lying slut like you did now. The fact that he is young does not make him a liar and a slut at the same time. Otherwise, you will constantly get shouts about it. Do not use the SKIP BUTTON but remove that context completely. This "little tease" will only cost you a loss. So think about how to bring it up in the upcoming 0.4 version. If you want to avoid player loss, then believe this advice.
I feel like this is going too far, I don't like that she lied about it but after hearing the devs explanation I can see what he was going for. At the absolute worst its an LI giving a guy a kiss at best it's a sleazeball trying to take advantage and the dev has already said he's working on resolving it. I'm going to assume since some people have had her say different things that it's also based on choices you've made in game, for example I showed no romantic interest in any of the other women and she pretty well shot Randy down she still lied about it but she didn't kiss him or anything. I don't know what the exact choices are but I'd almost be willing to bet the route where she kisses him is one where you've flirted with other girls or had sex with the barista, I'm too lazy to confirm that though. Assuming that's the case, on the route where she kisses Randy you can't really complain imo.

At this point I want to see the Randy story play out as long as he doesn't actually get his hands on any of the girls.

End of the day it's a porn game and there isn't any reason to get hostile with the dev, we weren't blindsided by hard NTR or anything like that it was a naive girl being naive. togs-games I said it before but seriously I enjoyed it outside of my initial kneejerk reaction which I apologize for, please keep it up. :)

Edit: I just remembered Kari offers sex after dinner so accepting that reinforce her attitude that she needs to "pay back" guys for stuff like that which could also influence how she behaves toward Randy when he brings her home. I'm not sure as I turned her down on that choice.
 
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I've said over and over that this hasn't played out the way it was intended, which was supposed to be a slight tease, not the LI randomly turning into a raging whore.

That's partly my fault for not making things clearer, and partly the fact that people are reading more into it than is actually said.

She goes out with the gang from work, not on a date, and this douchebag guy tries to take advantage.

That's the intent at any rate. I've gone to considerable pains to tidy that up and end the whole thing in the next version.
I feel like she caves to pressure from a guy she feels beholden to, and it is supposed to be a "goodnight kiss"...

As to lying, she's young and naive, and it wasn't meant to be flagrant. Again, all this was meant to be a very minor tease for the player - the MC is supposed to be asleep.

I'm still taken aback by the strength of the reaction, which is not what I was looking for, but I'm not going to apologize for the fact that not everything is exactly perfect first time out. I mean, that's why we're doing this, isn't it?

But we're going round in circles here. I hope the changes in version 0.4 will straighten things out once and for all.
Don't let it get you down. Going out with coworkers and one of them pushing for a kiss is not a big deal. As others have said, it's her lying about it that paints her in an especially bad light. If you can show the player that she has some reason for her behaviour, that might be a good thing.

That was my initial understanding of the scene, but then - and I think that's where the intention behind the scene and its reception collide the most - she lies to the MC. It was her lying that suggested to me the possibility that she may be romancing this guy behind MC's back, plus I feel most people simply don't like liars. That being said I assumed that there're other possibilities like her being to shy/scared to admit to the mistake or not wanting to hear MC's 'didn't I tell you so' for example, plus I haven't considered her as my MC's main LI (though the dom/sub points that popped out for a moment made me wonder if there's going to be a nice BDSM romance in the future).
Yup. Lying about it once she got back I could even understand, if she's upset or unsure how the MC will react. But (depending on her stats) she lies to the MC even before going out, which suggests that she's trying to play him from the first.

I just downloaded and reinstalled and fastfowarded from a load I had and got these Kari lines: "Goodnight! Thanks for the ride."; "No Randy, let's just say goodnight shall we?"; "Okay, one kiss..."; "Move you hand Randy...Right now"; "Whatever, goodnight!".
I'm pretty sure this wasn't the what I got on my first run.
After getting those lines I Installed the WT mod with same choices I made on my first run and got these Kari lines: "Goodnight! Thanks for the ride."; "No, Randy, let's just say goodnight shall we?" End.
So there are different lines for different choices and that's why I didn't give it much thought when I got the "No, Randy, let's just say goodnight shall we?".
The story (including Kari's lies) plays out differently depending on her stats. I haven't got the game to hand to check, but from memory a confident, slutty Kari is much more blatant in her lying to the MC.

If you don’t want players to start yelling at you, then don’t put any women in contact with another man.
This is nuts.
 

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There are deeper back stories to both Lois and Mallory. I have mentioned several times that I'd be grateful for the chance to discuss these, but nobody's come forward, so I guess I'm just going to keep going and hope I don't offend anyone else...

There are more revelations to come about the company and the foundation, and MC's great uncle.

The game has already evolved in ways I didn't foresee when I started, with Lois in particular becoming quite the personality, and Pete having a lesser role than I originally imagined.

I would just say that the original game centered around getting to know Kari, and that the idea that it might be possible at some point to replace her, was just that - an idea to be explored somewhere down the line. Now you'd think it was a basic human right!

I suppose I should be grateful that nobody's bugging me to make Kari the MC's sister... ;)
You know what, for some reason I thought the MC was aware of her coming home and thought he had an inner monologue in the kitchen the next morning about it but I went back and he totally didn't so yea he definitely can't ask about it that's my fault. Also I sent you a PM so we can discuss the back stories for Lois and Mallory if you'd like.

But uhhh, hey on a more serious note can you uhhh make Kari the MC's sister? ;)

Don't let it get you down. Going out with coworkers and one of them pushing for a kiss is not a big deal. As others have said, it's her lying about it that paints her in an especially bad light. If you can show the player that she has some reason for her behaviour, that might be a good thing.



Yup. Lying about it once she got back I could even understand, if she's upset or unsure how the MC will react. But (depending on her stats) she lies to the MC even before going out, which suggests that she's trying to play him from the first.



The story (including Kari's lies) plays out differently depending on her stats. I haven't got the game to hand to check, but from memory a confident, slutty Kari is much more blatant in her lying to the MC.



This is nuts.
Ah stats are the determining factor in her behavior and not how MC interacts with other women or is it both do you know?

What does she lie about on the slutty path before going out? I have no interest in that path so I won't play it but I'm curious.
 
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Ah stats are the determining factor in her behavior and not how MC interacts with other women or is it both do you know?
From memory I think it's purely based on her own stat line so far. (But of course she also has a "jealousy" stat affected by the MC's dealings with other women, which may come into play before long.)

What does she lie about on the slutty path before going out? I have no interest in that path so I won't play it but I'm curious.
As I said, I don't have the game to hand so I'm fuzzy on the details. But in one case she tells the MC she's going out with some coworkers, in the other she says she'll be visiting her friend Whats-her-face.
 

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From memory I think it's purely based on her own stat line so far. (But of course she also has a "jealousy" stat affected by the MC's dealings with other women, which may come into play before long.)



As I said, I don't have the game to hand so I'm fuzzy on the details. But in one case she tells the MC she's going out with some coworkers, in the other she says she'll be visiting her friend Whats-her-face.
Interesting, that confuses me even more lol she told me she was going out with Aria so did she lie about that or lie about going out with coworkers? I'm so confused but I guess going out with coworkers is canon since she ends up with Randy, I have no idea why she would have told MC she was going out with Aria in my playthrough (if that's the lie) because I didn't go with any other women and I didn't do anything to raise her slut stat that I know of. Unless telling her she looks great when you go to dinner instead of saying she looks slutty raises that stat, I figured telling her she looked slutty would raise it or just offend her.

Actually in my game if she said she was going out with coworkers and then showed up with Randy and shut him down it wouldn't have even bothered me (aside from her obviously ignoring MC's warning about Randy being a dickbag but hey live and learn I guess) and would have definitely made me think he tried to take advantage but couldn't because Kari likes MC instead of assuming she lied to go out with a dude MC warned her about. I'm wondering if somewhere some wires got crossed and some dialogue is showing that shouldn't?
 
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Interesting, that confuses me even more lol she told me she was going out with Aria so did she lie about that or lie about going out with coworkers? I'm so confused but I guess going out with coworkers is canon since she ends up with Randy, I have no idea why she would have told MC she was going out with Aria in my playthrough (if that's the lie) because I didn't go with any other women and I didn't do anything to raise her slut stat that I know of. Unless telling her she looks great when you go to dinner instead of saying she looks slutty raises that stat, I figured telling her she looked slutty would raise it or just offend her.

Actually in my game if she said she was going out with coworkers and then showed up with Randy and shut him down it wouldn't have even bothered me (aside from her obviously ignoring MC's warning about Randy being a dickbag but hey live and learn I guess) and would have definitely made me think he tried to take advantage but couldn't because Kari likes MC instead of assuming she lied to go out with a dude MC warned her about. I'm wondering if somewhere some wires got crossed and some dialogue is showing that shouldn't?
She lied on my first playthrough as well, but after trying again and avoiding any option that raises her slutty stat (which means keeping eye contact when she wears something skimpy as well), keeping the player lust low and not peeking while she showers, she says she went out with co-workers and the kiss didn't happen.
Doing things with other girls or not didn't seem to affect the outcome for me.
 
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