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Maybe the main girl will finally not be a whore by default, but wishful thinking.
- Dec 9, 2018
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quiet part/loud
While this all sounds encouraging* (although the content I mind is not so much 'dark' as 'incoherently nonsensical') I'll have to wait and see how any revisions are actually carried through. Any time you go back and change something there's an increased chance of something else breaking.
If the outright bugs could be fixed, that'd be grand as well.
* Not the stuff about togs hurting his hand, obvs.
Maybe the game's player won't reject our buxom roommate by default, but wishful thinking.Maybe the main girl will finally not be a whore by default, but wishful thinking.
To be clear, I make no defense for the other characters strongly leaning to slutitude, but with Kari, it's weird that giving her the cold shoulder would be considered the 'default' for anyone!
- Oct 24, 2018
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Thats how I refer to their fates if the player interferes the least with their lives. Usually that means not dating them.Maybe the game's player won't reject our buxom roommate by default, but wishful thinking.
To be clear, I make no defense for the other characters strongly leaning to slutitude, but with Kari, it's weird that giving her the cold shoulder would be considered the 'default' for anyone!
Which is a totally valid outlook for real life, but here, the player IS the main character of the universe, and that can't be discounted.
- Oct 24, 2018
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Is it too much to ask that she is a whore only if 'the main character of the universe' pushes her to that instead of becoming one if you don't save her from herself...by fucking her
? I just find that trope very lame.
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I just read most of that latest Patreon post. I have two major comments:
1. I already knew this game was made by an English father, but I admittedly didn't expect one who's "a shade over sixty". That's not a complement or a detriment, I was just surprised is all.
2. I'm still not sure why no one on Patreon has commented on the fact that the game currently ignores your decision if Kiki is selected to be John's date the day before the dinner. If you pick her, the game just acts like the player chose Lois as his dinner date the next day. Either the option to chose Kiki needs to be removed from that day, or new code and renders must be added to make Kiki an option, because the way things are isn't quite right.
I don't think this is actually true, I'd probably say based on the existing poll at the top it's probably at best 50/50 and realistically somewhat weighted more toward the "dark path". That position based on it being an adult game and there typically being more stuff on those paths to cater to that, and that based on that poll about 50% want slut or submissive and then another 25% want non exclusive girlfriend which I believe there are probably some portion that would choose "dark path" relationships for others if they want a harem.
Not looking to start a ruckus I think the solution of making things optional and not forcing things is great and should be implemented but I think the dislike of the "dark path" is probably a bit overblown based on how vocal the people that don't like it are.
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I think a lot of it comes down to vague language. There may be plenty of people who are fine with what some would call 'dark' content (D/s-relationships and other bdsm elements, the MC being a bit of a prick in general) but aren't into the sharing/sluttification vibe that the game has increasingly been leaning into.
The poll at the top of the thread was made a year-and-a-half ago when the relationship with Lois started to branch out and doesn't really reflect the game's current direction, IMO.
/noruckus
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What the hell are you talking about? The poll doesn't have anything to do with the cuck content that togs stupidly confuses with "dark".
Usually I hate any kind of data collection by games, but this is one case where I wish the results of the monogamy/group sex questionaire near end were recorded and uploaded to dev. It'd be interesting to see what the actual numbers are. My hunch is that it's the common case of the patreon fanbase leaning one way with f95 vocally leaning the other. I could certainly be wrong though.
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I'm not interested enough to think that in-game analytics would be in any way excusable, but did wonder what the point was of such a detailed questionnaire when it's (at least currenlty) used for nothing at all.
And yeah, I don't think there's any doubt that some of togs' Patreon supporters are big into the sharing/whoring stuff. How many and at what tier I've no idea. But if he's relying on that revenue stream it's understandable that their wishes carry more weight than the no-good freeloaders over on this site.
too true at what could be a valuable tool has been used and abused so much by developers that distrust is well warranted.
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I just wish people, in general, would stop getting so butt hurt over shit. Each of us have had our own experiences in life and we all have different thoughts and feelings about shit. Of course there are going to be those who hate even the whisper of NTR while there are going to be others who want to see some sluttification. Interestingly, this thread has been pretty balanced, but the dev has obviously been getting some communications we are not seeing and I think that's too bad because the dude seems to be taking it pretty hard.
And speaking as one of his supporters, I think if we were all into the sharing/whoring stuff then this would not be an issue. In my experience, he is probably getting it from the non-sharing/whoring group but it is not really "public". I am sure he is getting it as DM or private conversations.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.
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It has nothing to do with NTR being in the game, or the girls becoming 'slutty'. It has to do with the inconsistency, and the girls becoming more and more slutty without player input. If it was like this from the beginning of the game, no one would bat an eye. I'm not even talking about revealing clothes, I don't really give much of a shit about that. It's more-so their behavior and attitude. Neither Kari, nor Lois, were anything like they are now at the start of the game.
I have no problem with an OPTION for the girls to become more liberal with their outfits, or becoming whores, or whatever the case may be. I just wish it was optional, since for the most part all content like this was optional at one point, then it just suddenly wasn't. I have no idea if this is due to workload, or pressure from patreons, or whatever the case may be. I do know though that, it sucks for those of us that were enjoying a game that was once something fun and full of choice, that is slowly devolving into a sudo kinetic novel full of increasingly slutty "love interests" and paths that hardly matter for certain characters anymore. Where our choices don't matter all that much, and things are being forced by the plot.
At this point, might as well just default all love interests to a slut or whore path, and turn it into a full fledged sharing extravaganza where the MC just let's them do whatever the hell they want, and they can run around wearing nothing at all.
/rant over
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IMO in the next update I wanted it to be possible to lay off the biggest whores collectively. And also the possibility of breaking up with some people outside the company. I would keep one or two girls. Or just that obedient cult in the basement.
And to build on that, it's everything without player input, leaving fans of all fetishes disappointed.
You want Lori to be a kind and innocent girlfriend? Too bad.
You want to not go a pregnancy harem path with the sisters? Too bad.
You want to get Kari far away from the breastaurant? Too bad.
You want to encourage your girlfriend Kari to get more wild at the restaurant? Too bad.
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It's really dissapointing what this game is becoming isn't it bro?
And we can't be the only ones upset if the dev had to adess the issue with his patrons.
You know me I love promiscuous girls but it just feels so different to the start of the story right now.
First I have to say that I adore most characters in this game.
I enjoyed the story overall so far and I'm excited to dive deeper into it.
Most of the times I even liked the MC, which is rather rare, especially in more fetish-oriented games.
I was happy to learn that I could actually get rid of LIs I disliked, like Mallory and the Ex.
I was rather surprised when the story focus shifted from the roommate to the PA, which I preferred anyway (like a majority of others, it seems).
I still don't get why halfway into the story the slut talk the sharing and Aria gets so pushed onto the MC.
There's literally not a single point in the story where that's necessary.
Just make a variable that checks if you choose related options earlier and simply hide all the conversations if you didn't. I don't think it's even necessary to ask later on.
It would also fix the wast amount of complaints about the new PA, as we don't have to suffer through monologues about gang rapes and who she'd like to ride besides us.
Same with the whorehouse Kari works for. Just give the option to say no to Maddie and make that a point to cut all the related content. People who dislike that won't miss any content that would be cut anyway.
The last scene where we again had no agency in chosing if we want to service the old dude with one of our LIs shows that the core problem is still not communicated to the dev properly. A simple "nah I won't invite him" option to again skip this meaningless evening, maybe with a short alternate sex scene with one of the LIs, and most players wouldn't care if the evening ends in a sharing fuck fest.
Like a lot of comments already stated: the player agency were there, why was it taken from us?
I enjoyed the story overall so far and I'm excited to dive deeper into it.
Most of the times I even liked the MC, which is rather rare, especially in more fetish-oriented games.
I was happy to learn that I could actually get rid of LIs I disliked, like Mallory and the Ex.
I was rather surprised when the story focus shifted from the roommate to the PA, which I preferred anyway (like a majority of others, it seems).
I still don't get why halfway into the story the slut talk the sharing and Aria gets so pushed onto the MC.
There's literally not a single point in the story where that's necessary.
Just make a variable that checks if you choose related options earlier and simply hide all the conversations if you didn't. I don't think it's even necessary to ask later on.
It would also fix the wast amount of complaints about the new PA, as we don't have to suffer through monologues about gang rapes and who she'd like to ride besides us.
Same with the whorehouse Kari works for. Just give the option to say no to Maddie and make that a point to cut all the related content. People who dislike that won't miss any content that would be cut anyway.
The last scene where we again had no agency in chosing if we want to service the old dude with one of our LIs shows that the core problem is still not communicated to the dev properly. A simple "nah I won't invite him" option to again skip this meaningless evening, maybe with a short alternate sex scene with one of the LIs, and most players wouldn't care if the evening ends in a sharing fuck fest.
Like a lot of comments already stated: the player agency were there, why was it taken from us?
I would say it is probably a first time dev realizing that providing choices creates a tremendous amount of work to create multiple versions of the same scene but when playing it you only get 1 version so the update feels short and telling a story that makes sense is hard when you try to make almost any scene avoidable.
In short it is probably just difficult balancing the choice players have become accustom to, the story making sense, and the exponential amount of work compounding choices creates.