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Ya MC hates her, unless she's getting hate fucked he doesn't have much reason to keep her around. Maybe that'll develop past that but atm all she is is a warm hole to him.
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Yeah I'm not entirely sold on the idea that hypnosis is a good method of revenge but I can definitely see the potential for it to ruin her life, eitherway I've already made my decision which was to hypnotize her and get her the fuck out of the house for good without touching her. There's literally nothing you can do to convince me that somehow fucking her is going to be seen as payback.
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I can't understand revenge stories where the MC's "revenge" is to give that person an orgasm. That's one of the major ways the "revenge" AVN's I've seen on this site fall short - payback isn't fulfilled just because you hate fucked them. I understand this is supposed to be porn, but we can have a story with porn elements, too. Let the MC get his payback, then also let him fuck other people.Yeah I'm not entirely sold on the idea that hypnosis is a good method of revenge but I can definitely see the potential for it to ruin her life, eitherway I've already made my decision which was to hypnotize her and get her the fuck out of the house for good without touching her. There's literally nothing you can do to convince me that somehow fucking her is going to be seen as payback.
The Hana "resolution" was so underwhelming. I don't know why the MC is focusing on getting payback against the boss when Hana is 99% to blame here. The blackmail wasn't even anything special. "Cheat on your boyfriend with me or I'll fire him." Like... Ok? That's it? No threat of physical harm or anything more than we need to start looking for another job? That is super flimsy and honestly the boss did the MC a favor to show that Hana is just so fucking stupid to think "I guess I have no other choice. I have to cheat on my boyfriend because I love him so much." She is who we should have a master plan for.
Honestly, I think it would have been better if she wasn't blackmailed and wanted to cheat so then the MC has the option to go after both Hana and the boss together. I don't care about the NTR aspect of it because that is the basis for the revenge - I'm 100% okay with that - but to try to paint her as a "victim of blackmail" is just... I won't buy that for a penny.
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I was going for a non mind control run, and noticed that if you don't hypnotize Hana, she just gets deleted from the game. Was kinda hoping to have her become my plaything without the mind control part.
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Trying to paint Hana as just another victim doesn't sit right with me either. I'm just hoping that's going to be the end of it when it comes to her part of the story since I've already gave her the boot. Like I've said a bit ago here, if people are interested in more of her story fine, but I've already checked out and don't wish to further have her show up in the story and I'm hoping my decision reflects that later.
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That was a headscratcher as well, why the MC hates the boss more than Hana apparently?
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Are you aware of a VN called Fallen Roads ? Its basically a self explanation for your question. If the medium is a porn, obviously porn will be the main factor in regards of revenge. And as it turns out, time after time, the majority of people no mater if they enjoy vanilla, harem or cuckhold stuff, once a cheater -> always a cheater and they cant forget her even if the author tries to redcon, rewrite or even force her upon the player.
Which makes it harder to create a game which plays either around, or took some aspects of it. But I see your point, Im also find it weird why is it so hard to make a revenge story which focus... well, on revenge. Most of them either MC forgives her and they are happy/or some sort of secondary waifu. Or he hates fuck her and throws her away, but all of them which I saw were just excuse for gangbang scenes, "wife"sharing (if wife cheated on MC) or "normal" sharing scenes to outright prostitution. The later seems to be the common thing.
The other thing is if you let Hanna go so early from the story the is no revenge, since she was dealt with. Hence most revenge story either have multiple people who cheated(I think the better word would be wronged) on MC so we can have varriaty of people to punish sexually, but also destroy emotionally and physically like bullys/douches/antagonists.
I hate to bring this up as a example, as I hate this "manga" and it deserves its bad reputation. But "NTRevenge" has the same issue or lets say many of them as we saw in this game...but even worse. If you know what im talking about, you know.
Which brings me to Fantasy Catharsis
Sadly this is the common way out for such characters. Some try to force them into players by either guilt tripping them, or outright demanding acceptance as in the end people will always come to a point if they want to forgive them or not. Perhaps its just depends on the appeal of the character ? I mean, would people really be interested what Hanna did, or what we would do to her if she was an unattractive, fat feminazi with the california haircut ? I dont think so. Or why do you guys think every NTR has attractive moms, sis, GFs or even Gilfs, where a normal story about romance or even harem has multiple "ugly" characters (females speaking) as a way to show not to being disappointed that MC cant have sex with her/them or them dying in the story.
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. Downloading issues? Look here.You all are missing one huge key fact: The people who think fucking someone is "vengeance" don't want vengeance they just wish that person never hurt them and want to have power over them (because they obviously had no power the first time)...... and since those ince......people only feel good when Cumming it makes sense that they think the only way to hold power over someone is to be the only way for them to cum.
Go ahead and spend a few paragraphs telling me how you are a gigachad IRL who only plays with gigachad MC because you like looking into a honey select style mirror. I'm not even going to touch the harem topic just like the people spending hours defending their idea won't touch one IRL.
I do love a game that gives you a bunch of power (either magic or situational power) and then let's you not use it and changes the story around it, even if so far it's just a single line.
The best revenge (in terms of mental growth) is to let Hana go without changing her while you chill with your budding harem. If she really cared then she'll hurt herself more than you ever could, if you change her completely are you even punishing her? If you just want a warm flashlight that can talk dirty to you (that you also have to spend money for food/clothes/hygiene) then just say that Doing nothing also would take any potential "heat" off you as well since her leaving because her boyfriend caught her cheating is less sus towards you than "she suddenly changed and started being subservient to someone she was able to cheat on (even if she didn't 100% fully want it).
Go ahead and spend a few paragraphs telling me how you are a gigachad IRL who only plays with gigachad MC because you like looking into a honey select style mirror. I'm not even going to touch the harem topic just like the people spending hours defending their idea won't touch one IRL.
I do love a game that gives you a bunch of power (either magic or situational power) and then let's you not use it and changes the story around it, even if so far it's just a single line.
The best revenge (in terms of mental growth) is to let Hana go without changing her while you chill with your budding harem. If she really cared then she'll hurt herself more than you ever could, if you change her completely are you even punishing her? If you just want a warm flashlight that can talk dirty to you (that you also have to spend money for food/clothes/hygiene) then just say that
Doing nothing also would take any potential "heat" off you as well since her leaving because her boyfriend caught her cheating is less sus towards you than "she suddenly changed and started being subservient to someone she was able to cheat on (even if she didn't 100% fully want it).
- Sep 19, 2022
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Well, let's take Hana out of the equation here for a moment. MC wants revenge on his boss for x reason. Let's say the MC is up for a promotion, but boss gives it to his wife or daughter or something. Then it happens again. We build the animosity towards this character naturally. Then we reach the peak - his nepo-hire fucks up, and they conspire to blame the MC and get him fired or demoted (so he still has access to the workplace). Now the MC has a reason for revenge, and he can do so by seducing all of the women in the boss' life. So we get a revenge story where the MC has an actual reason for wanting revenge, and we get the porn by way of netori of the boss's wife/daughter/friends/his boss/etc.
I mean, we could even keep Hana and just have her get fed up with the MC for failure after failure, or whatever reason, and leave him. If you've played Shalehill Secrets, the ex in that one didn't cheat, but she did hurt the MC. She does have a redemption path in that game, though. This way, Hana can be the bitch ex and still have a redemption path back with the MC that is not so divisive.
But now I'm just trying to write a story that isn't mine. So we'll see where this goes, but I'm just frustrated at the options to deal with Hana so far.
I'd definitely rather seduce than corrupt, which is the first run I've taken here, but that doesn't mean I won't play the corruption path afterwards.
Reading this backstory, I can't help but feel a bit down about mine... I have to admit, when it comes to Hana it was one of the very first thing I wrote, and with zero writing experience my smooth brain decided to take the easy way out. But that's just the thing, I couldn't change the past, I definitely wouldn't have come up with this more intricate level of backstory back then, no matter how hard I tried. But I believe it's all part of the learning process, and I hope we can put any disagreements behind us. I'm sorry for any problems the Hana storyline may have caused.
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Yeah, the story would be not the same and its for everyone to decide what they prefer and honestly speaking there is no right or wrong answear as people will love it, hate it or tolerate it. From my experience authors tend to use NTR as a cheap method to make the MC, but more importantly the player, hurt so the desire for revenge is there and hopefully the reader is hooked to read/play further. As getting either cucked by his GF/crush getting stolen or his mom/sis has to fuck with the boss for money does have a strong negative emotion. Hence its always used.
The problem as you are aware however is that its a double edged sword as it will cut the story definitely too. A example -> The manhwa litterly called "Revenge"
and it failed miserably despite playing safe in the beginning.On the other hand if you play it "safe", as in your example, its much much harder to create the same strong emotions with different methods for revenge. And here is where the difference between the individual authors quality is seen. And im not saying this as to throw shades on anyone here, im a very very huge fan of Revenge. Particularly when its involved with Netori AND Harem. But even for myself I find it hard to find a common ground as the slipperly slop is hard to balance on.
As in your example, everything makes sense as its sounds familiar with a different manhwa which is safe now (but wasnt in the beginning after the artist had a say to it) called "A Wonderful New World". The problem here is you need to flesh out every character, their plot and interaction with the rest of the cast + the negative stuff they did to MC. As you can see, just cucking the MC is a easy cope out author tend to do as it does it job, but of course it brings its own negative stigma.
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I don't mean to come across as attacking - more of a critique, but I'll admit that what I write is usually more harshly worded than not. But I am passionate about writing, so I get riled up a bit more than most when it comes to those points specifically.
It's also a matter of.. unfortunate timing? There was a release of another AVN shortly before yours with a similar backstory involving a cheating ex (I refer to it in a previous post somewhere) that was being "blackmailed" that I personally don't consider as such because of the reasons why, so it was like one-after-another of a similar backstory from a brand-new game dev/writer. I'm not telling you to change your story. If the first story I ever wrote was publicly available, I'd probably die of cringe.
Write your story, no matter what we all say. You will always have people who don't like it, always have people who want to change it, and always have people who love it. Don't compare yours to mine because the fact is, yours is here and mine is in my head (or typed in a forum post) because I can neither code nor do I have an artistic bone in my body. Hell, steal my idea if you want. Or take parts or guidance from what people say if you think it'll help. Or ignore it all and say 'fuck you, read this'.
At the end of it all, just be proud of what you've done.
Seeing content is all well and good I was talking more about people who you find in any thread with a hint of anything "revenge" related who have a deep deep passion for taking out "revenge" on 3d rendered models......
Sticking with the "content" side of the argument I can see someone being frustrated/angry at not having an option to keep "her" (as in no mind control) around, and ill agree that there really isnt anything preventing that from what I can tell (other than then adding an exponential amount of renders/dialog as time goes on). I will however die on the hill that the "best" thing for the MC is to bye felica her out of his life.
Lets look at these two people:
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Obviously there's some exaggeration there as both people experience most of the same events in this game but the point ive made still stands imo.
Im not going to say its amazingly compelling writing but I think it creates one of the more "healthy" choices ive seen on this site. Its not someone saving someone who bullied them until they fall in love, its not using the powers of an actual reality warping deity for some high school bullshit. Its just a dude moving on (which might be helped by all the other female attention he gets now but still
) I also think there is ample time/room in the story (so far) if you ever wanted to bring her back without retconning anything after all saying "she was never seen again" is less definite than her not being at work imo youve cooked up some good food here, I hope you find a good balance between taking advice/ideas/valid criticism and ignoring people who want every single game to be perfectly tailored to them specifically.
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I hadn't bothered to listen to her excuse. I had expected that to be the reason. I just kicked her to the curb.
Good game so far. Looking forward to seeing where this story goes.
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will there be a point where we can actually mind control people? I feel like using hipnosis to get what you want seems largely pointless as you usually get what you want with out it, most of the time its grayed out or is the fail choice.
good potential storyline, but the hypnosis gimmick need to provide something a little more fruitful.
good potential storyline, but the hypnosis gimmick need to provide something a little more fruitful.
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See, I love revenge stories because I am the complete opposite in my life. I would rather cut someone out completely and get back at them by living my best life. I turn to stories to live out the fantasy of getting revenge because it's simply not who I am as a person. I do believe in justice, so in the MC's shoes I wouldn't let the boss get away unscathed, but I would just convince Hana to tell the boss' wife/daughter, or just put it on full blast, that he blackmailed her into sex and then release the tape (if it was proof enough) or work with her to get better proof to take to the police... before I left her because at the end of the day she chose to cheat on the MC regardless. But that wouldn't really make for an entertaining story.