RPGM Tower of Trample [v1.18.0.4 + Standalone SC3] [Bo Wei/Koda]

[scoobzz]

not to excuse the delay or anything and maybe its just personal experience but....arn't delays like pretty much "normal" for most of these small porn game devs?
as i said in my experience almost all devs have almost constant delays on most updates ranging from small delays to months of delays

I think you're confusing delays with just general waiting between updates. What's abnormal about TOT is that they keep setting release dates which they continually overshoot. People would probably still complain because of the longer wait times regardless, but if they stopped setting up expectations with release dates, "delay" wouldn't even be in our lexicon.

 

[h-kingu]

Personally I disagree. As I've told them, I think having a clear idea of what you plan to do before starting to work, and then sticking to it, can only benefit this game.

Sure, more scenes are better, but this update was originally meant to be a sign of life from their part, and so far it's missing its mark completely. Now let's say that Koda would have given more tought to the update before starting to work on it, would we have gotten less content? I doubt so.

I think he probably would have taken an extra day to plan out the general backbone of the update, then arrived to the same conclusions he did now (that he wanted extra content), and decided to separate the update in 2 parts, just like he did now but with 2 differences:

1) he would have respected his first goal of giving signs of life.
2) he would have been more organized while working, since he had a clear objective in mind. Meaning less awkward changes mid-project, better and easier communication with the supporters, and probably even a slightly shorter development time overall.

tbh he could've added titles on later updates and just continued with scene making but instead he did the opposite
forcing the fans to wait longer because ''most of the delay is a bunch cobra/lily scenes anyway, which I figure people will rather have than not in the end''
that's a really cheap shot from koda and very disrespectful

 

[tgandhi151]

So the discipline of the team behind Tales of Androgyny is probably rare, updated on a weekly basis and a big update every 1/2 months.
Like other said, it's about being honest about your productivity. Few here question the game's quality. Raising expectations that later go unfulfilled for N times is annoying at least, disrespectful to patreons at worst.
Maybe it's perfectionism. Great! I don't think many supporters will complain if you add it and release updates later
What probably hurts more is damage to reputation about developers' integrity for the suspicion/allegation that you get more pays with intentional delays

 

[Phantombeast]

385 pages, 5 of that r probably about game content and the REST is about the updates releases

Edit ; whatever comes to yer minds guys, shoot it all out

 

[ErcnardSieghart]

Yo, the update wasn't supposed to be today? (15th)

 

[Gigalomaniac]

Yo, the update wasn't supposed to be today? (15th)

 

[olorex11]

Yo, the update wasn't supposed to be today? (15th)

 

[Suiginto221]

You can go to the restorant and order roasted meat. Waiter tell you, that for the 20 mins your meat will be ready and take your moneys for order. After 22 mins waiter comes to you and say, that u need to wait ~20 min more . You wait 25 min, and waiter ask you to wait a 10 min more. But in third time waiter ask you wait 30 min more, and u stand up and go to other restoran.

But white knights try to calm themselves in mantras about QUALITY, it's ok. Patient people reward, but in this situation only shaolin monks can keep patient.

 

[Artilaz]

I think you're confusing delays with just general waiting between updates. What's abnormal about TOT is that they keep setting release dates which they continually overshoot. People would probably still complain because of the longer wait times regardless, but if they stopped setting up expectations with release dates, "delay" wouldn't even be in our lexicon.

no even missing set dates for updates seems rather common for the games i follow with the exception of tales of androgyny
its just with people working without the pressure of a higher up putting deadlines on them it seems easier/more common that releasedates are more hopeful speculation than actual deadlines and by now you'd think people would become slightly less upset because some people here seem to take it like a personal insult it seems

 

[doctor_light]

"Hey Batman, do you think Tower of Trample will ever come out? Cause I don't think it's ever gonna come out."

 

[Oathakafaze]

so instead of working on scenes, he ends up wasting time on...what was it again? titles?
these titles better be useful at some point and not some pointless decorations

Yo where is your signature from o:?

 

[Crimson_Heart]

Yo where is your signature from o:?

It's from a VN called Starless ^^ (if you check it out be warned that there's like every fetish imaginable in that game)

 

[Sylph Phoenix]

I'm unsure why people keep going back to the restaurant analogy when it's so bad. At a restaurant you pay a lot of money with the expectation of getting food in a timely manner. Patrons, for those of you here that even ARE patrons, are shilling out like a dollar or two a month. And restaurants have long delays as well, if any of you have ever been to restaurants. Terrible analogy.

I don't like the delays, and Koda and Bo definitely need to learn some self-restraint because this is getting ridiculous, but c'mon, that restaurant analogy is terrible.

Also, calling all the people who make any defence of them "white knights"... Is this r/pol? Jesus.

 

[GearlessJoe]

I'm unsure why people keep going back to the restaurant analogy when it's so bad. At a restaurant you pay a lot of money with the expectation of getting food in a timely manner. Patrons, for those of you here that even ARE patrons, are shilling out like a dollar or two a month. And restaurants have long delays as well, if any of you have ever been to restaurants. Terrible analogy.

I don't like the delays, and Koda and Bo definitely need to learn some self-restraint because this is getting ridiculous, but c'mon, that restaurant analogy is terrible.

Also, calling all the people who make any defence of them "white knights"... Is this r/pol? Jesus.

I think the restaurant analogy is very exaggerated, and saying "white knight" unironically is kinda lame, but wait times and delays are very different things.

 

[Suiginto221]

I'm unsure why people keep going back to the restaurant analogy when it's so bad. At a restaurant you pay a lot of money with the expectation of getting food in a timely manner. Patrons, for those of you here that even ARE patrons, are shilling out like a dollar or two a month. And restaurants have long delays as well, if any of you have ever been to restaurants. Terrible analogy.

I don't like the delays, and Koda and Bo definitely need to learn some self-restraint because this is getting ridiculous, but c'mon, that restaurant analogy is terrible.

Also, calling all the people who make any defence of them "white knights"... Is this r/pol? Jesus.

Hehe, kinda funny read this. In restaurants waiters know avg time, because they know how kitchen working. No, it's about how devs take their customers seriously. Every cent - is result of work. It doesn't matter what the job is, but it's a time and energy, and then you paid them for game, where dev say: 1 month - 1 update. And there you need to be serious - business is business. You can have 1 delay, it's ok, but you need a reason, you can have second delay, it's no ok, but you need to apologize for this and after success work never repeat this fault.

But what we have? You know exactly. At first we was in vacuum of patch release date (end of the 2nd month without patch) and in winter Koda suddenly try to smooth over the situation and start a countdown timer...with 3 delays. What we have again? Yea, yea. They breaking their rules, and this starts from Koda joining. No blame, but this is true. This isn't serious how they treat us.


Also,talking about quality? Pf, my gf (the attached picture) using femdom tools, and it's cool. We have femdom game, where a lot of femdom - is footworship. This isn't bad, but it's stagnation. They try something new in Khoolan patch and fail, but try old strategy in Cobra patch with a ltlle bit change - it's work again. They in a creative dead end and afraid to add more new and non-typical stuff (but cobra 2d update was sssoooo good). And nowthey starting old trick in a new wrapper with delays.






And about 1$ for patron:dude, why u don't walk in the street and give free 1$ to random man? It's only 1$. Yep! Because this dollar - result of work.

I really enjoy this game, but frivolous attitude for players is making this results. I hope they will improve responsibility skill and we will have once of the best games in this category.

 

[Suiginto221]

Oh, about white knights. The sort of people, who never try to look in the eyes of truth. They will defend loved person, but never accept any critic and facts. This people give to love person sense of permissiveness and this going to the very bad consequences. This people is like stupid whiners, who never try to analyze the situation - equal of the white knights.

But the bigger part of this thread - good guys (age doesn't matter), who understand what's going on and have brain in their heads with good humor feelings.

 

[Sylph Phoenix]

Hehe, kinda funny read this. In restaurants waiters know avg time, because they know how kitchen working. No, it's about how devs take their customers seriously. Every cent - is result of work. It doesn't matter what the job is, but it's a time and energy, and then you paid them for game, where dev say: 1 month - 1 update. And there you need to be serious - business is business. You can have 1 delay, it's ok, but you need a reason, you can have second delay, it's no ok, but you need to apologize for this and after success work never repeat this fault.

But what we have? You know exactly. At first we was in vacuum of patch release date (end of the 2nd month without patch) and in winter Koda suddenly try to smooth over the situation and start a countdown timer...with 3 delays. What we have again? Yea, yea. They breaking their rules, and this starts from Koda joining. No blame, but this is true. This isn't serious how they treat us.

Also,talking about quality? Pf, my gf (the attached picture) using femdom tools, and it's cool. We have femdom game, where a lot of femdom - is footworship. This isn't bad, but it's stagnation. They try something new in Khoolan patch and fail, but try old strategy in Cobra patch with a ltlle bit change - it's work again. They in a creative dead end and afraid to add more new and non-typical stuff (but cobra 2d update was sssoooo good). And nowthey starting old trick in a new wrapper with delays.

And about 1$ for patron:dude, why u don't walk in the street and give free 1$ to random man? It's only 1$. Yep! Because this dollar - result of work.

I really enjoy this game, but frivolous attitude for players is making this results. I hope they will improve responsibility skill and we will have once of the best games in this category.

Firstly, restaurants definitely have absurd wait times that waiters don't foresee. Maybe not in the gold-plated restaurants, but this isn't a triple-A game development team. So it's still a bloated and misfit analogy.

Secondly, no this is not a consequence of Koda joining. You think there would be MORE updates without half the development team? And do you think the writing would be any good? And did you not read that it was Bo's wild ambition for 7F that caused it to balloon out of control? Just delusional. They're both guilty. Koda is just the guy who has to give the status reports.

Thirdly, I do walk in the street and give $1 to random people. People playing music in the street actually get a bit more from me, if they're pretty decent. I feel like you kinda made my point for me.

Lastly, and I say this on behalf of everyone; TMI. Absolutely TMI.

 

[Suiginto221]

Firstly, restaurants definitely have absurd wait times that waiters don't foresee. Maybe not in the gold-plated restaurants, but this isn't a triple-A game development team. So it's still a bloated and misfit analogy.

Secondly, no this is not a consequence of Koda joining. You think there would be MORE updates without half the development team? And do you think the writing would be any good? And did you not read that it was Bo's wild ambition for 7F that caused it to balloon out of control? Just delusional. They're both guilty. Koda is just the guy who has to give the status reports.

Thirdly, I do walk in the street and give $1 to random people. People playing music in the street actually get a bit more from me, if they're pretty decent. I feel like you kinda made my point for me.

Lastly, and I say this on behalf of everyone; TMI. Absolutely TMI.

>restaurant analogy


Man, u losing something about serious attitude to community, (and especially patrons) in that way analogy goes. You can't go on the job and say to boss: "Well, i delay the completion of my project without reason, and i know, this is middle of the may, but the date of deadline was february and i delaying it fourth time, but previous reasons was ambitions and content." That's, what i try to say.



The Koda is a big part of problem. He trying to do something, what he can't make just in time. If you can't make your job in time - well, you need to improve your skill, set different deadline and work harder. The fans appreciate his commitment to add more content, improve mechanics, but he must soberly assess their capabilities

Or he just spend his time in house playing games (patrons still donate), make other projects, etc, but not make his job. The truth is out there. But the result - is what we have.



And about free 1$. if you really just give for NOTHING, except beggars, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING a dollar (playing music on the street - sort of job,) to random man - god bless your soul.

 

[tjones1137]

This thread gettin heated

 

[ipps]

Not me. I've gone all blizzard circa 2005: It'll be ready when it's ready. /pure zen