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Does anyone have a save from 0.24.0? I accidentally deleted mine.

Edit: I forgot the chart exists, nevermind.
 
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mzer0

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I don't think she cares for felix
Define "cares for".

I'm not saying she's in love with him or anything. But Felix is definitely important to Amy on some level. If he wasn't, then why would she ask Sophie to help him during that conversation? What does she gain from asking her to do that? Why should she feel guilty if he means nothing to her? Unless she's trying to help a man she considers to be her friend. Someone she cares for?
 
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Define "cares for".

I'm not saying she's in love with him or anything. But Felix is definitely important to Amy on some level. If he wasn't, then why would she ask Sophie to help him during that conversation? What does she gain from asking her to do that? Why should she feel guilty if he means nothing to her? Unless she's trying to help a man she considers to be her friend. Someone she cares for?
Maybe she's just bound to her morality i guess doing that to any one is an immoral and disgusting act so she just trying to redeem herself i guess
 
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gilgamesh9

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I'm probably alone in this but I really don't like the new hair. Why they always have to change the look of them is beyond me. She was way better looking with her natural hair color. Wondering when the bbc is finally gonna come into play an take her from the other guy would be funny.
 
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radical686

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The way Amy was talking to Sophie on the phone made it appear as she had something to with Sophie's corruption. Like Zack and her conspired in Sophie's downfall and there's some plan for her. Maybe Amy only regrets this because of how its affecting Felix.
Interesting comment.

I gotta admit, I was really shocked when Zach made the comment that Felix was going to the gym to insert himself into their lives and interfere with their happiness, and then Sophie agrees. I went back and reread it to be sure because I was confused as to why he would even say that. It really sounded unhinged, and was just another demonstration of the insecurities Zack revealed during the fireworks.

It kind of indicates how irrationally hateful and jealous Zack is of Felix. They've done nothing but make fun of Felix's cluelessness. That comment by Zach was pretty bizarre. Felix has suspicions now, but he doesn't know what they did all weekend. So, why say that? Is he gaslighting her?
 

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I have a bit of a feeling that it is Sophie who is starting to manipulate. She claims to love both of them and keeps them close to her. She uses that for her own benefit, Zack as a sexual partner and Felix to keep her job and a possible future as a family. The issue that Amy now crossed into her plan that she had not taken into account.
 

radical686

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The real plot point that has gone nowhere (yet) is Felix trying to dig into Zack's past. We might get that in another route.

However, we might also get it in this route, depending on how Felix's conversation with Amy goes in the next update.

I never thought she would be the one to flat out tell Felix everything, but that call she had with Sophie showcased some deep regret and concern for Felix on her part. And after Sophie casually admitted to her that she actually enjoys flaunting her relationship with Zack in front of Felix, I'm seeing a real possibility that she might spill the beans. Maybe not all of them. But possibly one or two of them. Enough to give Felix a heads up.

Then, the real question is if Sophie was totally serious about leaving him, or was that just the orgasm talking and Zack will end up having to give her a few more 'pushes' before she truly gives in.

We'll find out soon enough...
Agree. The depth of Sophie's cruelty is starting to show through to other people. Amy seemed really shocked by her cruel comment. I think it will ultimately be the basis for Sophie having a really bad fall from grace.
 
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mzer0

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Agree. The depth of Sophie's cruelty is starting to show through to other people. Amy seemed really shocked by her cruel comment. I think it will ultimately be the basis for Sophie having a really bad fall from grace.
Yeah, sure. That seems like it's in the cards for this route...BUT.

Azienda could pull the 'Homewrecker with a heart of gold' trope, reveal that Zack's love for Sophie has been real all this time, and have to two of them ride off into the sunset to live happily ever after with 2.5 kids and a white picket fence.

Allow me to remind everyone how I would feel about such an ending...

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gilgamesh9

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Hopefully we get some Felix growing some balls and shitting on them and doing some naughty naughty with Amy.
 

radical686

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Yeah, sure. That seems like it's in the cards for this route...BUT.

Azienda could pull the 'Homewrecker with a heart of gold' trope, reveal that Zack's love for Sophie has been real all this time, and have to two of them ride off into the sunset to live happily ever after with 2.5 kids and a white picket fence.

Allow me to remind everyone how I would feel about such an ending...

Hard to say. Zack revealing his own insecurities during this update (on at least two occasions) suggests that ending may not happen. Something is definitely off about Zack that eventually needs to be revealed. There are lot of narrative threads that don't add up.

Did Brook's find him after high school or at another college? This episode was a bit confusing about that. Previous narrative threads suggest Zack knows him from another small college. Is Zack simply a sociopathic liar? What exactly does Zack have on Brooks? There are parts of this that are just not adding up.
 

mzer0

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Is Zack simply a sociopathic liar?
This has been my belief for a long time now. Everything he does seems calculated to me. Specifically his supposed 'feelings' for Sophie.

Remember how he was bragging to his friends about how he was gonna fuck Sophie at the beginning of the game?
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That up there is the real Zack in my opinion. Everything he did in front of Sophie after this point was nothing more than a facade.

His attempts to get to know her better (watching Crystal Rangers, and taking interest in her favorite books)? Merely a means to an end.

His sad puppy dog eyes because he couldn't be with her? Nothing more than a performance meant to tug at her heart strings.

He's a sociopath playing a sociopath's game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Though, of course, Azienda might be one update away from proving me wrong... :p
 
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mannymulatto

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This has been my belief for a long time now. Everything he does seems calculated to me. Specifically his supposed 'feelings' for Sophie.

Remember how he was bragging to his friends about how he was gonna fuck Sophie at the beginning of the game?
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That up there is the real Zack in my opinion. Everything he did in front of Sophie after this point was nothing more than a facade.

His attempts to get to know her better (watching Crystal Rangers, and taking interest in her favorite books)? Merely a means to an end.

His sad puppy dog eyes because he couldn't be with her? Nothing more than a performance meant to tug at her heart strings.

He's a sociopath playing a sociopath's game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Though, of course, Azienda might be one update away from proving me wrong... :p
I think youre spot on tbh like somebody mentioned here before that he seems to enjoy making women abandon the things that means the most to them like with amy leaving school through his influence. He could have sex with anyone he wants and the only reason hes stayed with sophie so long is because the long game of what hes doing to sophie and felix is too fun to give up. I feel like if the route of digging up zacks past gets fleshed out its gonna reveal a track record of ruining peoples lives for his amusement.
 

mannymulatto

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Interesting comment.

I gotta admit, I was really shocked when Zach made the comment that Felix was going to the gym to insert himself into their lives and interfere with their happiness, and then Sophie agrees. I went back and reread it to be sure because I was confused as to why he would even say that. It really sounded unhinged, and was just another demonstration of the insecurities Zack revealed during the fireworks.

It kind of indicates how irrationally hateful and jealous Zack is of Felix. They've done nothing but make fun of Felix's cluelessness. That comment by Zach was pretty bizarre. Felix has suspicions now, but he doesn't know what they did all weekend. So, why say that? Is he gaslighting her?
I dont think thats insecurity rather its a calculated move to nudge sophie more and more into seeing felix as nothing more than a nuisance holding her back from her happiness. All that talk belittling felix during sex can be seen as insecurity but if you look deeper hes been planting seeds of disdain for felix bit by bit. Hes a master manipulator.
 
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radical686

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I dont think thats insecurity rather its a calculated move to nudge sophie more and more into seeing felix as nothing more than a nuisance holding her back from her happiness. All that talk belittling felix during sex can be seen as insecurity but if you look deeper hes been planting seeds of disdain for felix bit by bit. Hes a master manipulator.
I agree with both you and Mzer0 that he is likely a master manipulator. It was still an odd comment and even odder that she simply accepted it as true. I never doubted that the belittling Felix during sex was manipulative and not insecurity. It just seemed odd and out of place in the gym scene. It sounded like jealousy and not cruelty, which is what his other manipulations during previous sexual encounters were.
 

mannymulatto

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I agree with both you and Mzer0 that he is likely a master manipulator. It was still an odd comment and even odder that she simply accepted it as true. I never doubted that the belittling Felix during sex was manipulative and not insecurity. It just seemed odd and out of place in the gym scene. It sounded like jealousy and not cruelty, which is what his other manipulations during previous sexual encounters were.
There could be some hints of jealousy/insecurity/frustration in it at this point. Hes been working on sophie for a while now and while shes certainly really close she hasnt let go of felix yet even after all this time and even though he is in a lot of aspects far superior to felix. Probably hurts his pride that the final step has yet to be taken by her in that she reveals everything and files for divorce.
 
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