VN Ren'Py Twisted Memories [v0.9b] [BaiBai]

[jI11jaCksjAkk]

I'm curious of your opinion about big update and take long time like a year? or divide to 4parts 3months each update?

which option do you think better for the games and does consistent matter?

My opinion is that games and devs are so varied that I have no expectations. I have only played a very small percentage of the games out there, but I prefer more substantive updates to microupdates I guess, so I probably fall into the 'more patient' category of players. DL-ing and extracting updates that turn out to be 20 renders and one animation I find a bit irritating (especially given that the risk of malware is obviously higher if you DL 10+ small updates/year instead of 2 larger updates.

I guess I just generally always hope for updates to content I like rather than demanding them, and I try not to apply expectations based on the release schedule of game "X" or "Y" to any other games I like because the dev is different and that is just not realistic. I will admit that for me and my old brain once you start to hit gaps of close to a year between updates I have probably completely forgotten about your game, but those are the choices/risks that devs have to make for themselves based on numerous factors that we know nothing about in their personal lives. I have had enough bad shit go down in my life that I would never be comfortable insisting that a dev meet any schedule demanded by fans (who don't know anything about that dev's life).

Spoiler: apples and oranges

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[Bobjock]

I haven't even played the last update yet. I'm saving it like a gold nugget..... I'll play it when this new update comes out, and repeat the process lol

 

[nalgonas4ever]

I haven't even played the last update yet. I'm saving it like a gold nugget..... I'll play it when this new update comes out, and repeat the process lol

Same, a couple more updates and then a full replay, to fill the time until the final update.

 

[fred09]

If we are going to be serious for a moment, as a subscription based indie porn game, their aim has always been making an never ending game. With that in mind, doing a once a year update is actually outrageous and ludicrous.

A more viable way of is to do seasonal updates, 3~6 months between each updates with enough push with the story plotline especially if it is story based. That model is basically how mainstream gacha game works.

If you are not doing things like that, you SHOULD be finishing the game within 5 years.

All I'm saying is people should be more wise with their wallets, whatever the game and dev you are supporting.

 

[Cherubin25]

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If we are going to be serious for a moment, as a subscription based indie porn game, their aim has always been making an never ending game. With that in mind, doing a once a year update is actually outrageous and ludicrous.

A more viable way of is to do seasonal updates, 3~6 months between each updates with enough push with the story plotline especially if it is story based. That model is basically how mainstream gacha game works.

If you are not doing things like that, you SHOULD be finishing the game within 5 years.

All I'm saying is people should be more wise with their wallets, whatever the game and dev you are supporting.

Yeah ok, having a fucking Gemini reply here is enough for me to unwatch this Thread. Too much stupidity, will just play the game when it is out.

 

[DicksInSpace]

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If we are going to be serious for a moment, as a subscription based indie porn game, their aim has always been making an never ending game. With that in mind, doing a once a year update is actually outrageous and ludicrous.

A more viable way of is to do seasonal updates, 3~6 months between each updates with enough push with the story plotline especially if it is story based. That model is basically how mainstream gacha game works.

If you are not doing things like that, you SHOULD be finishing the game within 5 years.

All I'm saying is people should be more wise with their wallets, whatever the game and dev you are supporting.

Adding mobile games to a video game metric is going to heavily skew the results since it's like 50% of all games being made nowadays

 

[Maulis47]

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If we are going to be serious for a moment, as a subscription based indie porn game, their aim has always been making an never ending game. With that in mind, doing a once a year update is actually outrageous and ludicrous.

A more viable way of is to do seasonal updates, 3~6 months between each updates with enough push with the story plotline especially if it is story based. That model is basically how mainstream gacha game works.

If you are not doing things like that, you SHOULD be finishing the game within 5 years.

All I'm saying is people should be more wise with their wallets, whatever the game and dev you are supporting.

You do understand that you are comparing a hobby dev to a pro, right?

 

[nalgonas4ever]

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If we are going to be serious for a moment, as a subscription based indie porn game, their aim has always been making an never ending game. With that in mind, doing a once a year update is actually outrageous and ludicrous.

A more viable way of is to do seasonal updates, 3~6 months between each updates with enough push with the story plotline especially if it is story based. That model is basically how mainstream gacha game works.

If you are not doing things like that, you SHOULD be finishing the game within 5 years.

All I'm saying is people should be more wise with their wallets, whatever the game and dev you are supporting.

Dude, you have a point, not a very solid or good one so don't get me wrong, but you just shoot yourself in the foot by posting the ss of the AI summary, hell, you could just copy and paste that and it would have started a conversation. But in short: not the same, apples and oranges.

 

[Alandir]

You do understand that you are comparing a hobby dev to a pro, right?

No, it's even stupider, he's comparing a single hobby dev to massive gacha dev studios that make unsurmountable amounts of money.

 

[fred09]

You do understand that you are comparing a hobby dev to a pro, right?

Not hating but you do know I'm just stating facts, no?
According to BaiBai's Subscribe Star, which stands currently...

Tier1 sub ($2) 271, which is $542
Tier2 sub ($5) 124, which is $620
Tier3 sub ($10) 152, which is $1520
Tier4 sub ($25) 10, which is $250

That comes to a total of $2932, with a 5% cut that is $2785.4 monthly and $33424.8 annually.
Roughly 30% Americans earn less then this, this is basically a full time pay of a avarage person.
That's NOT a hobby pay, and if he is NOT a American and from other areas that pay much less, than thats a hell of a pay check.

Also you do play other games on this site, no? Other big names, maybe even smaller names how long are they taking in between each updates?
Like I said, unlesss shit happens it is usually not that long to keep the patrions happy.

 

[fred09]

No, it's even stupider, he's comparing a single hobby dev to massive gacha dev studios that make unsurmountable amounts of money.

Do you even understand what I was trying to explain? I was not trying to compare indie porn game devs to AAA or gacha giants, but stating this BUSINESS MODEL is what most indie porn game devs also use.

If you can't understand this or see the similarities, I don't what to say lol.
I mean monthly getting paid, 3~6 monthly development cycle, updates with story progression and new renders/animation with bugfixes??
Communicate using socials such as Patreon or Subscribe Star to hype the next patch to keep patrion subscribed, with extra goodies for paying customers???

 

[zedsaso]

Obviously he is milking the project. If he were serious about development, he would at least hire some people to help with other tasks. Having a full-time salary and progressing this slowly just shows that he slacks off around 90% of the time. I mean, sure, resting is fine—but not 24/7. Plus, when he mentioned that he would abandon the project because long development times, he was obviously bluffing. There’s no way he would let this gold mine stop.

 

[Maulis47]

Not hating but you do know I'm just stating facts, no?
According to BaiBai's Subscribe Star, which stands currently...

Tier1 sub ($2) 271, which is $542
Tier2 sub ($5) 124, which is $620
Tier3 sub ($10) 152, which is $1520
Tier4 sub ($25) 10, which is $250

That comes to a total of $2932, with a 5% cut that is $2785.4 monthly and $33424.8 annually.
Roughly 30% Americans earn less then this, this is basically a full time pay of a avarage person.
That's NOT a hobby pay, and if he is NOT a American and from other areas that pay much less, than thats a hell of a pay check.

Also you do play other games on this site, no? Other big names, maybe even smaller names how long are they taking in between each updates?
Like I said, unlesss shit happens it is usually not that long to keep the patrions happy.

You are kind of right, but sadly you are forgetting a few words that automatically make this a non-pro work, no matter what: Honey Select. Since it uses HS models it can (almost) never be sold because of copyrights.

 

[w123t4]

You are kind of right, but sadly you are forgetting a few words that automatically make this a non-pro work, no matter what: Honey Select. Since it uses HS models it can (almost) never be sold because of copyrights.

It is actually use the loophole as developer claim the game developed in hs is free to public so it is not selling and violated the copyright, while developer also collecting donations every month. Not sure if it actually on court how will the judge go.

 

[DicksInSpace]

It is actually use the loophole as developer claim the game developed in hs is free to public so it is not selling and violated the copyright, while developer also collecting donations every month. Not sure if it actually on court how will the judge go.

If the full release is available to the public I think it flies and I mean, unless the game had really taken off on steam or something which I doubt, the subs has probably earned more than a full release would anyway

 

[DicksInSpace]

Obviously he is milking the project. If he were serious about development, he would at least hire some people to help with other tasks. Having a full-time salary and progressing this slowly just shows that he slacks off around 90% of the time. I mean, sure, resting is fine—but not 24/7. Plus, when he mentioned that he would abandon the project because long development times, he was obviously bluffing. There’s no way he would let this gold mine stop.

Should remember that he is German which could contribute to him just seeing this as a large self-funding project rather than a job or full commitment, which could be why he brought up the potential of changing the premise or dropping it depending on censorship and such

 

[BaiBai_]

Not hating but you do know I'm just stating facts, no?
According to BaiBai's Subscribe Star, which stands currently...

Tier1 sub ($2) 271, which is $542
Tier2 sub ($5) 124, which is $620
Tier3 sub ($10) 152, which is $1520
Tier4 sub ($25) 10, which is $250

That comes to a total of $2932, with a 5% cut that is $2785.4 monthly and $33424.8 annually.
Roughly 30% Americans earn less then this, this is basically a full time pay of a avarage person.
That's NOT a hobby pay, and if he is NOT a American and from other areas that pay much less, than thats a hell of a pay check.

Also you do play other games on this site, no? Other big names, maybe even smaller names how long are they taking in between each updates?
Like I said, unlesss shit happens it is usually not that long to keep the patrions happy.

The actual USD amount is a bit more than half of that. Certainly not nothing, but not that either.

The thing with Subscribestar is that its a pretty clunky platform. Back when I unpaused the billing with the release of v0.9 a huge chunk of subscribers from before the pause never re-activated their subscriptions. They count as "not paid subscribers", aren't getting billed and haven't been so since I first clicked that vacation button in 2024. They are, however, still displayed as subs in the numbers you correctly listed. I'm not sure about the inner workings of sstar but my best guess is that those where the "forgot I'm subed to that guy" kind of people I gathered over the years until the billing pause, where the pause kind of acted like a reset for their billing cycles. Since they forgot, however, they never manually re-activated or properly canceled their subscription so they stay as inactive ones and inflate the numbers.

That said, I don't think the amount really matters all that much for this whole hobby point anyway. I could make significantly more than even your numbers and the decision to upgrade from hobby to professional porn game dev would still be my own to make. A decision, I think, any reasonable person would agree isn't so straight forward. After all, you'd be the full-time developer of a game exclusively made with pirated assets which features content that could lead to any income, big or small, to disappear without a moments notice. Ask one guy how much money they would need to make to even consider such a career move and the next guy you ask will give you a different number entirely.

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[dolfe67]

The thing with Subscribestar is that its a pretty clunky platform. Back when I unpaused the billing with the release of v0.9 a huge chunk of subscribers from before the pause never re-activated their subscriptions. They count as "not paid subscribers", aren't getting billed and haven't been so since I first clicked that vacation button in 2024. They are, however, still displayed as subs in the numbers you correctly listed. I'm not sure about the inner workings of sstar but my best guess is that those where the "forgot I'm subed to that guy" kind of people I gathered over the years until the billing pause, where the pause kind of acted like a reset for their billing cycles. Since they forgot, however, they never manually re-activated or properly canceled their subscription so they stay as inactive ones and inflate the numbers.

I don't know if that particular feature is clunky (tbh some are, compared to patreon), intentional or not, but that's a pro-consumer thing that patreon should also do. And it further proves that a lot of people forget or don't care about their subscription and are easy targets for milking.

 

[BaiBai_]

I don't know if that particular feature is clunky (tbh some are, compared to patreon), intentional or not, but that's a pro-consumer thing that patreon should also do. And it further proves that a lot of people forget or don't care about their subscription and are easy targets for milking.

That's not the clunky part of it. With something like that vacation mode where a dev could theoretically stop the billing pause at any point it would be kind of weird if the subscribers wouldn't need to confirm to be charged again. No idea how it works on Patreon, but I would be kind of surprised if it where much different.

The clunky part of it is that people that haven't been charged for over a year still get displayed as subscribers with no way for me to remove them. And that's not only the case for the numbers you can see but also my analytics or the projected amount of the payout page.

 

[Simpgor]

no no guys im pretty sure the person whose sources are
1. an LLM that tells people to eat rocks
2. nothing
is very correct about not only the larger game development industry but also the indie scene, and even more specifically the scene focused on NSFW games, which is further narrowed down by being heavily incest focused (which removes some platforms available in those higher levels)

nobody point out that the smrt guy literally makes his point mute when the llm says "SOMETIMES YEARS FOR SOLO DEVS" literally cant write this shit

The most surprising thing is that baibai responded to such obvious bait