DrFree

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why r u saying it like its a dig?
if ntr is avoidable than all the ones complaining are crybabies and should be bullied mercilessly
It's a dig because he's literally doing the same about remakes lmao.

And it's literally on the title of the thread, soemething you see even before the tags.

Do you really not get it, or are you just being disngenuous because you're into cuck shit too?
 
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1. Plenty of people voicing negative feedback here are or were patrons.
2. "If you have criticisms, just leave" is not an argument, it's sheep logic.
1. When you subscribe to somebody on Patreon, you pay to support them so that they can work on their project because the project they're working on is something you enjoy or would like to see completed. You aren't paying this monthly fee just for game updates, you are paying so that the developer can continue to work on the game and make it the best it can be. The developer hasn't tricked you or misled you, he's still trying to make it the best it can be and finish the project.

2. It's not meant to be an argument, this isn't a debate. The decision has been made, the path has been chosen. It's not going to change, the developer is not going to go back to the old build. You now either choose to support him going forward or end your support here and move on with your life. The reason you're sticking around to complain is because you've become emotionally invested in something that had nothing to do with you to begin with.
 

BorsDeGanis

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Does snat hire writers? Because the writing is god awful. I don't know why people neglect writing so much. The way he introduced this prologue and it's dispersed elements feels completely unrefined. There are too many things going on, too many cheesy diatribes and one liners. And the main character has no defining features to make them interesting.

I just want to pull my hair out when I see developers devalue this step when it is the foundation for literally everything
 

bladestorm91

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Having played through this version, if I compare it to the previous version's prologue then this is better. That said, I really don't like the addition of stats. Why the fuck do I have to make the angel hate me to get intelligence so I can later have a superior option with a demon?

The stats just seem like they are going to lock scenes behind them and force players to replay the game again. It's fucking annoying, no I don't want to replay your fucking porn game just to see some leftover scrap of content. Just let me see everything like in the last version for fucks sake.
 

Badjourasmix

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Sep 22, 2017
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Having played through this version, if I compare it to the previous version's prologue then this is better. That said, I really don't like the addition of stats. Why the fuck do I have to make the angel hate me to get intelligence so I can later have a superior option with a demon?

The stats just seem like they are going to lock scenes behind them and force players to replay the game again. It's fucking annoying, no I don't want to replay your fucking porn game just to see some leftover scrap of content. Just let me see everything like in the last version for fucks sake.
One of the most frequent complaints about the old version was that people felt like there weren't any meaningful choices so that could be one of the reasons why he did that.
 

Zuul

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It's a dig because he's literally doing the same about remakes lmao.
How does that logic even track? Complaining about a remake being bad is the same as complaining about a genre?
Not every remake is bad, this one just happens to be.

1. When you subscribe to somebody on Patreon, you pay to support them so that they can work on their project because the project they're working on is something you enjoy or would like to see completed. You aren't paying this monthly fee just for game updates, you are paying so that the developer can continue to work on the game and make it the best it can be. The developer hasn't tricked you or misled you, he's still trying to make it the best it can be and finish the project.

2. It's not meant to be an argument, this isn't a debate. The decision has been made, the path has been chosen. It's not going to change, the developer is not going to go back to the old build. You now either choose to support him going forward or end your support here and move on with your life. The reason you're sticking around to complain is because you've become emotionally invested in something that had nothing to do with you to begin with.
1. Boring semantic that contradicts your own argument. You can explicitly pay to access the game.
2. I could choose to either accept the dev's decision or move on. Or I can voice my rightful negative feedback both here and in other places. I think I'll choose the latter option, personally, and you whining that I don't mindlessly consume or leave doesn't matter.
 

riadhloch

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Hey, new here. Somehow never noticed this game before and I have some questions, if I may (apologies as 359 pages is a lot to peruse). I'm trying to understand the differences in versions and what veteran players enjoy about each:

- I see there's 1.0a version as the most recent download is this the remake or a final version (given 1.0)?

- there's also a 7.2 sandbox. I thought the remake was the sandbox? 7.1GB is kinda huge.

- and a 6.0 visual novel. Is this worth it?
 

Badjourasmix

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Sep 22, 2017
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Hey, new here. Somehow never noticed this game before and I have some questions, if I may (apologies as 359 pages is a lot to peruse). I'm trying to understand the differences in versions and what veteran players enjoy about each:

- I see there's 1.0a version as the most recent download is this the remake or a final version (given 1.0)?

- there's also a 7.2 sandbox. I thought the remake was the sandbox? 7.1GB is kinda huge.

- and a 6.0 visual novel. Is this worth it?
Both the 7.2 sanbox and 6.0 visual novel aren't being worked on anymore. The dev is remaking the whole game and the 1.0a version is the one being worked on from now on. Also you might want to wait a couple days because the public release will have a few extra scenes that aren't in the beta.
 

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How does that logic even track? Complaining about a remake being bad is the same as complaining about a genre?
Not every remake is bad, this one just happens to be.


1. Boring semantic that contradicts your own argument. You don't get to decide their motivation for becoming a patron, and the overwhelming majority of this dev's subscribers are explicitly paying to access the game or fund its development directly, not to support him.
2. I could choose to either accept the dev's decision or move on. Or I can voice my rightful negative feedback both here and in other places. I think I'll choose the latter option, personally, and you whining that I don't mindlessly consume or leave doesn't matter.
Patreon is what it is. Your motivations for subscribing to him are irrelevant, if you misinterpreted what Patreon subscriptions are then that is your own problem entirely.

My whole point is that you choose what you support or don't support just as the developer gets to choose what he does with his game. If you want to give feedback, then do that. If you're just going to mindlessly complain about what the developer has already chosen to do, then you're only wasting your own time. You all have this misconception that the people who are fine with this are mindless consumers when in reality we are fine with this and choose to keep supporting the developer with the understanding that we can move on whenever we want.

I think you really want this project to be good, otherwise you wouldn't still be here. So, say specifically what you don't like and how you think it can be improved going forward if you aren't satisfied with how it is right now. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp. You are only wasting your own time and making yourself more upset than you need to be.
 

JustLittleTinyMe

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Oh uh, another one to fall into the remake void before it even gets completed.. Only a matter of time now for it to get slapped with the "Abandoned" tag, that's how it usually goes.
Finish the game first, then make a "remake" later, that way you at least delivered the thing people had pledged for in the first place.
I do hope that remaking it goes well, but with how it's gone for most of the previous games that had sudden remakes in the middle of development, they never got finished.
 

Individual

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Hey, new here. Somehow never noticed this game before and I have some questions, if I may (apologies as 359 pages is a lot to peruse). I'm trying to understand the differences in versions and what veteran players enjoy about each:

- I see there's 1.0a version as the most recent download is this the remake or a final version (given 1.0)?

- there's also a 7.2 sandbox. I thought the remake was the sandbox? 7.1GB is kinda huge.

- and a 6.0 visual novel. Is this worth it?
The sandbox version is the old build before the remake. The visual novel version removed the sandbox elements in the old build but has less content then that sandbox version of the old build. Both of these two have been abandoned as the developer has decided to remake the sandbox version.

The old version still has a lot of content and is worth a try, but going forward only the remake will be updated.
 
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