VN Ren'Py Abandoned Under House Arrest [v0.6.1R] [Silk Ari]

[Silk_Ari]

17 people (patrons) is not a statistically meaningful sample size. Run a poll on F95 where you might get a sample of a few hundred. Pretty sure, based on what I've read in the threads and discords for other games, that your poll results would be quite different.

Well, I'm referring specifically to MY minigame using a sample that have played it.

But what ever. Im agreeing with you that to the point that minigames are a chore they are a bad thing. It's a moot point anyway since you can skip it all together in story mode.

 

[PoisonJames]

17 people (patrons) is not a statistically meaningful sample size. Run a poll on F95 where you might get a sample of a few hundred. Pretty sure, based on what I've read in the threads and discords for other games, that your poll results would be quite different.

Well, even more problematic than sample size would be the sampling bias. These are the 17 people who backed the game with that element included. It would be stunning if they didn't largely support it as is. I don't mean to be offensive, but for those two reasons it's not particularly useful data IMO.

Ultimately, I do think the story mode is a good solution that will open the game to a wider audience. Just look at the number of posts on here where people want cheats to eliminate grind/challenges that aren't fun for them if anybody doubt its.

 

[Silk_Ari]

Well, even more problematic than sample size would be the sampling bias. These are the 17 people who backed the game with that element included. It would be stunning if they didn't largely support it as is. I don't mean to be offensive, but for those two reasons it's not particularly useful data IMO.

Ultimately, I do think the story mode is a good solution that will open the game to a wider audience. Just look at the number of posts on here where people want cheats to eliminate grind/challenges that aren't fun for them if anybody doubt its.

I don't want to seem like I'm arguing here for arguing sake, but if I wasn't going to listen to the people who are enjoying the game and backing me financially, who WOULD I listen to?

EDIT:: My point being that I don't particularly believe that if the minigame had not been included it would have made a difference in the enjoyment/number of backers.

EDITEDIT: In fact it would seem if we take gumdrop as an example the silent majority seems to be the ones behind his success. - (Which is really freaky).

 

[PoisonJames]

I don't want to seem like I'm arguing here for arguing sake, but if I wasn't going to listen to the people who are enjoying the game and backing me financially, who WOULD I listen to?

A tiny, biased sample is almost never going to give you "meaningful" feedback. I don't mean only in this scenario, just hardly ever.

However, if you had an established Patreon with a large number of patrons then you could get useful information from polling them. The only exception would be if you're unconcerned with attracting more patrons. And that would be fine, but I don't think that's what you were inferring.

For the sake of clarity, I'll provide an example: If a restaurant is trying to attract more people it would be of minimal value for them to ask several of regulars why they keep coming back. Those people like what exists currently, that is apparent, and unless you're trying to delve deep into something specific useless information. They would need to solicit feedback (ideally) from people who frequent other restaurants to understand what could be added/changed to attract more people.

Anyway good luck with your project.

Edit: Even more clarity, I'm not saying you couldn't attract many more people over time without even including story mode. All I'm saying is that still wouldn't change the value of this sample.

 

[Silk_Ari]

A tiny, biased sample is almost never going to give you "meaningful" feedback. I don't mean only in this scenario, just hardly ever.

However, if you had an established Patreon with a large number of patrons then you could get useful information from polling them. The only exception would be if you're unconcerned with the patrons. And that would be fine, but I don't think that's what you were inferring.

For the sake of clarity, I'll provide an example: If a restaurant is trying to attract more people it would be of minimal value for them to ask several of regulars why they keep coming back. Those people like what exists currently, that is apparent, and unless you're trying to delve deep into something specific useless information. They would need to solicit feedback (ideally) from people who frequent other restaurants to understand what could be added/changed to attract more people.

Anyway good luck with your project.

I get what you're saying, but you're also missing the point of if I was going to ask people if they liked my cooking, I wouldn't ask people who never tasted my food. But yes, on the larger scale of if people like Southern cuisine for example, I could do a poll about that and change my menu based on that result.

 

[ontach]

btw. typo: should be slimy, not slimmy (Tracy's supplier).

bug: Rose talking in MC's room. "What did I say about flattery? .. " but it says Aunt Diana instead of Rose.

 

[AWolfe]

EDIT:: My point being that I don't particularly believe that if the minigame had not been included it would have made a difference in the enjoyment/number of backers.

Out of sheer curiosity, and not because I want to continue arguing (really, I'm simply curious), when you ran the poll did you ask before you created the minigame whether your patrons would like minigames in your game, or did you ask after the fact? That, too, drastically skews results. Polls are tricky things. @PoisonJames' last post details one of the many ways that a poll can fail to be useful. Which questions are asked, how they are phrased, who is asked, how big is the sample, and when the poll is run all impact the result. Again, as @PoisonJames pointed out, if the intent of your poll was affirmation that your patrons approved of your decision, then mission accomplished. However, you probably didn't need a poll for that. Just seeing if your patron count went up or down would suffice. So, in that regard, the poll is pretty useless.

And with that I think that I've beaten this particular horse to death. Thanks for listening.

Also, if you don't think that having a minigame changes the number of, or enjoyment by, the backers then it begs the question of why put it in? I'd think that the sole reason for adding a feature (any feature) to a game (any game) is because it improves the game somehow, from the perspective of the game's players. Because if it doesn't then there's no point to do so. Just saying.

 

[LordPapel]

Could u update walk through?

 

[Deleted member 233164]

It seems like you made the characters look younger. If so it is greatly appreciated because before they all looked middle age.
Good job so far by the way!

 

[AWolfe]

It seems like you made the characters look younger. If so it is greatly appreciated because before they all looked middle age.
Good job so far by the way!

+1

 

[Silk_Ari]

Also, if you don't think that having a minigame changes the number of, or enjoyment by, the backers then it begs the question of why put it in? I'd think that the sole reason for adding a feature (any feature) to a game (any game) is because it improves the game somehow, from the perspective of the game's players. Because if it doesn't then there's no point to do so. Just saying.

We're seriously beating a dead horse here, because it's irrelevant at this point, but I put it in originally because I enjoyed it/liked/thought people would to, later I found out some people detest minigames... ultimately, after the fact, I don't think it hinders enjoyment of the game. (But now it's irrelevant since you can play in story mode..dead horse...beating...ya know...)

 

[myuhinny]

I have no problem with the mini game and as stated if someone doesn't like the mini game they don't have to play the mini game.

 

[raileg]

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[AGoodDay2Die]

I don't know which games you've been playing but almost ALL porn games have some sort of minigame/grind. The entire point of a "game" is to be a "game". If you want to just fap without any rhyme or reason then you should just read a comic strip, not play a game.

That being said, since alot of people do dislike the minigames, I've added a feature to play in story mode, you should try it, no minigames to play.

Actually, very few of these VN porn games that I've played contain any kind of mini-game - and even fewer that I've ever continued to play. Grind is a (dead) horse of a different colour, though. Grind, while often carried to extremes, is an integral part of the game and its actions usually make sense in the context of the game when not excessive. A mini-game is usually just some unrelated or only-tangentially-related drop-in the developer places in the way of the player, either to make it seem more videogame-like or, perhaps, just to screw with the player.

Imagine you're going out to the bar to meet some hot chick, have a few drinks and, almost certainly, get laid. Imagine that, when you're halfway there, some asshole drags you out of your car at a red light and tells you you have to beat him 3 times in a row at 3 Card Monte before he'll allow you to continue on. Now me, I'd knock him the fuck out and get back in my car - but, of course, that's just me. I dunno, maybe some would enjoy the diversion???

Now that you've included a way to get around the mini-game annoyance I might give this a try, since that was my main reason for avoiding it thus far. If I do, I'll let you know what I think of it.

 

[zielony2]

Any chance for a new walkthroug?

 

[Megnold]

Nice update, looking forward to more, worth it, and better than other keep it up I want mom photo session and bit more scenes future updates

 

[Silk_Ari]

Nice update, looking forward to more, worth it, and better than other keep it up I want mom photo session and bit more scenes future updates

With more support I can include more content and faster updates... It's all about support!

 

[kxjoh32]

Just started this game for 1st time.
Is it just me or does lil sis Tracy look like she is anorexic. Hip bone sticks way out along with her lower rib cage. Give that girl a or something with maybe a little protein*i've got just the thing*. Something else I've noticed is in some of the sister pics they look like they are old enough to be the mc's mom ‍♂
But alas i did just start the game and it seems the story line is pulling me in so we shall see

 

[Silk_Ari]

Seriously Dude you need to learn detachment. Most devs are so in love with their ideas they refuse to admit their ideas are crap. Guess what? most of your ideas are crap, because most ideas anyone has are crap. Ideas need to be iterated over and over to make them good. To do that you need to listen to unbiased feedback and your backers are not unbiased feedback. Fanbois do not make good focus groups. And given how defensive you have been here your backers probably learned not to poke the bear for fear of slowing already slow release dates the patreon model game design has.
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Well, I wasn't being a jerk, I don't know how you feel I came off that way. Secondly, I DID listen as I added a story mode which bypasses the entire minigame/points system and thirdly, no offense, if anyone is sounding aggressive and dramatic, it's you calling me a jerk!

You don't like minigames, we get it. Play in story mode. This horse is dead, why you bringing it back to life? Enjoy the game

 

[kat777]

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