- May 28, 2020
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If the remake is what is true to your vision, it's the game you wanna make, keep going forward. I don't think it will do any good to you working on something (old vers.) you don't feel like working on anymore.
Ren'Py Unlimited Pleasure [v1.1.0] [Waifston]
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Clickfest in middle of scenes is not a nice thing.
- Sep 11, 2018
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Naah it's not a remake, you remake finished product... it's more similiar to Duke Nuke Forever that had like 10 diffrent almost finished versions over the years
Again couldn't agree with you more, it's very difficult to be invested in these characters when they didn't give you a reason to care for them.Remember most good drama comes from opposing viewpoints or inability to communicate while people still care for each other. Not from hate, uncaring like Elena decision for a lousy reason even if feels guilt later or purely hateful characters.
When writing a story, there is an obsession that inexperienced authors have : no restraints, they want to show off. Too much informations, too much explanations... emphasized by a technical overload - too many gimmicks and gadgets.
Storywise, you want to give your story a sense of gravity and tension but everything feels numb because :
On a more "positive" note : those things I said can be applied to a vast majority of visual novels. We can only wonder, in regard of the result, if a story-oriented reboot was necessary ? Maybe, maybe not. But you should keep on with what you have in mind. It is displeasing to follow a story that has been denatured by the meddling of an author's ideas with the people's opinions - and I'm talking about opinions, not critics.
Storywise, you want to give your story a sense of gravity and tension but everything feels numb because :
- Your ideas follow pretty common tropes (thematic issues about unfairness, rebellion against the unfair order, the filial love as the protagonist's motivations) with a lot of typical figures (That is your game's motto - you even added the "asshole schoolmate" character to your story -). Alright. Following tropes is not a mistake by itself.
- What is is you are not subtle about it. You actually splash us with a whole bucket of pathos. The dialogues are too affected and the situations feel as unreal and unnatural as archetypal and expected.
On a more "positive" note : those things I said can be applied to a vast majority of visual novels. We can only wonder, in regard of the result, if a story-oriented reboot was necessary ? Maybe, maybe not. But you should keep on with what you have in mind. It is displeasing to follow a story that has been denatured by the meddling of an author's ideas with the people's opinions - and I'm talking about opinions, not critics.
Stop the poll and go ahead with premium edition, as your supporter (payment) already said on Patreon!
- Mar 17, 2021
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When you write a story, the first thing you need to keep in mind is the ending. Most writers start a story and have no idea how it will end. An example: Sofia and Elena, they cannot be antagonistic if in the end they will be part of a possible harem. In the first part of DEMO these two characters were affected by bad decisions right off the bat.
I appreciated the fact that they are/were antagonistic. Having the main character feel resentment toward some potential lovers can make the story move in a interesting way. I actually wanted the quarrel with the teacher to last longer and to focus on her hypocrisy (the good teacher posture breaking in front of a financial intimidation). Telling her to fuck off and get out of the house at the end when everyone's happy to be here and helping.
Of course, the ending is the main point of focus for a story writer. But it is irrelevant here as I couldn't even go to the end of the prologue because the writing was just too heavy.
- Mar 17, 2021
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I agree with you, but this only works if the writer has excellent creative and writing skills, it is not the case with Waifston (with all due respect).
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Answer me one thing Waifston... What if the choice 'Work on the original game' wins? Do you think you will fix things by going back to work on the old version? If you think that, you are wrong. Do you know what we're going to think of that, Waifston? That you're making fools of us. Are you going to throw 6 months of work in the trash? Do you know how much you could have done in those 6 months if you hadn't had the stupid idea of working on a remake? 9 months, if we count that you spent 3 doing that crappy Christmas episode.
- Jan 10, 2018
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Well they can, but very hard to see happen in a loving harem, much easier in one based upon domination and control.
Still the Elena decision does not make sense in the way she did it if she is supposed to care about MC or his mom at that moment in time. At the very least she should have shown to be way more conflicted about it and the reason why she makes her choice as she does. Now it is likely so MC gets access to Elena with some bad feelings on his side and guilt on hers. If Elena had made that choice cause she felt MC was not ready yet with offer of help, we could have had same MC being angry and disagreeing with her while Elena would not have been shitted upon heavily for example and looking way more positive and conflict drama also there.
- Mar 13, 2019
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I just hope that that waifston will make a new minigame instead of the clickfest cant even get the 7th achievement because of a potato pc/laptop
- Mar 17, 2021
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I would like to know how the results of the poll on Patreon are going. Waifston must have a very distinct audience...
Ok mate, I have to ask
Did you actually read the thread? Do you actually believe that is the biggest problem of the remake?
There are by this point probably more than a hundred post longer than an essay, telling you in a lot of detail what they think is wrong with the remake. I’m pretty sure if you actually read the thread you will find with pinpoint accuracy the biggest perceive flaws of the remake, and extract valuable information of how to fix them.
Your post make me think that you are just disregarding everything as hate without seeing any validity to what I see are valid arguments.
- Mar 17, 2021
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Really?! 50/50? I didn't expect this, version 0.2 seems to have discouraged people. A pity. Thanks, by the way.
I don't think there is one solid reason why some of us dislike the new version compared to the original. You changed so many things, that every little detail might have not sit well with someone who played the original version. For some it might be Elena's or Alice's "new" behaviour, for others it might be some of the new side characters they don't like or the mini games or the MC's new looks, character etc.
No matter how many polls you put up, the majority will most likely vote for the premium version, because that's obviously the one you want to work on and they're afraid that if you go back to the original one, you'll eventually abandon it.
For me the original game is already abandonded/dead and this is a new one, with a new story, a new (12 year old/gigolo wannabe) MC, some new side characters and the old ones from the original story in similar roles with different (and so far unlikeable) personalities. At this point I'll probably just keep an eye on this thread and give the game another try when there's some content with Alice and it gets somewhat close to where the original stopped.