Ren'Py Unlimited Pleasure [v1.1.0] [Waifston]

[saynotoNTR]

• The plot

My game has a weak plot, it's not a secret. I learned harsh lessons from the Christmas Special, so I won't be making the same mistakes once again. I have thought twice before making any changes to the plot.

This... This is the post of a liar! Waifston Giovanna!

 

[dream8161]

Hi, Waifston. I'm just here to show some support for you. You have made a choice, all you can do now is move forward with it. Do what you want and what you enjoy the most. Wish you all the best.

 

[Deleted member 2366660]

I agree with you, but this only works if the writer has excellent creative and writing skills, it is not the case with Waifston (with all due respect).

I guess we are expecting different things from Waifston. I am not asking him to write a perfect story. I am not even asking him to write a good story. I appreciate his story with its flaws actually. His lack of writing skills and some of his gullible pieces of dialogue delight me and I even feel sympathy for him because of it.

But it pains me to see this guy lost in pointless ranting and bragging, not knowing what to do when the answer is quite clear in my opinion. Forget polls and everything, keep going on. If it's good, people will follow. If not, do better next time.

 

[saynotoNTR]

I guess we are expecting different things from Waifston. I am not asking him to write a perfect story. I am not even asking him to write a good story. I appreciate his story with its flaws actually. His lack of writing skills and some of his gullible pieces of dialogue delight me and I even feel sympathy for him because of it.

But it pains me to see this guy lost in pointless ranting and bragging, not knowing what to do when the answer is quite clear in my opinion. Forget polls and everything, keep going on. If it's good, people will follow. If not, do better next time.

Once again I will have to agree with you, the answer is clear. I said it once and I will say it again, Waifston doesn't seem to have confidence in what he does. It seems that with each update released this guy gets more and more lost. Sometimes I think he just ignores everything we say.

 

[LeopoldWilliamReynolds]

Damn, people here are fucking harsh. I am enjoying the new version and I hope to see more Lorelai in the future

 

[Xill]

So like, why is the patreon poll 50/50 now when last time it was clearly in favour of the Premium Version? Did people like 0.1 better?

 

[Ancarius]

So like, why is the patreon poll 50/50 now when last time it was clearly in favour of the Premium Version? Did people like 0.1 better?

I would just wait a day to see how it developes it was 80/20 for the Old Version in the first hour.

 

[saynotoNTR]

I would just wait a day to see how it developes it was 80/20 for the Old Version in the first hour.

HOLY SHIT!

So like, why is the patreon poll 50/50 now when last time it was clearly in favour of the Premium Version? Did people like 0.1 better?

Perhaps people thought that version 0.2 would miraculously fix all the flaws in version 0.1. No way they liked version 0.1 more, that update was horrible.

 

[AlexTorch]

The new version is not that bad, but there is so much drama in the story, so much unknow choices, that you have no idea what will do, so much stuff that don't help in anything the story, that the main focus of the game get lost. The remake is not bad, but need some good work, there is some characters that don't make sense in the story, they are there just for the hate and to fill some empty space, while i really love choices, having soo much there it will just make the game take a hell long time for each update. There was stuff in the old one that i really disliked, and i'm glad that are changed in this one.

 

[saynotoNTR]

while i really love choices, having soo much there it will just make the game take a hell long time for each update.

The main reason why I hated the Mentor system. 3 mentors, 3 paths, more work for Waifston and less content for us. There should only be Mr. Bonito as a mentor and that's it.

 

[DA22]

The new version is not that bad, but there is so much drama in the story, so much unknow choices, that you have no idea what will do, so much stuff that don't help in anything the story, that the main focus of the game get lost. The remake is not bad, but need some good work, there is some characters that don't make sense in the story, they are there just for the hate and to fill some empty space, while i really love choices, having soo much there it will just make the game take a hell long time for each update. There was stuff in the old one that i really disliked, and i'm glad that are changed in this one.

Like I said before my main problem with the new version is that the tone of the game is completely changed from loveable to annoying characters. Nobody including MC and except maybe for that mob guy is fun and likeable and why play a game that has no likeable chars at all, only annoying ones? So no I am not glad it changed.

Technically the game made a great leap forward, story wise dev stripped basically everything out of the game that made people enthusiastic for the game until he introduced the mother in game. So no, I am not surprised about that 80-20 since people became a patron for the old game in the first place with the loveable chars. I already said before why I think that removal of Alice not work well, if he had wanted a slow build with her she should have never been gone in the first place, but after she was her path should have been very different from other girls.

Edit: Problem I see now is what the dev wants and why he went for the remake. If the remake is where his passion lies there is no good reason to go back to old version whatever player base wants. If he wanted more players, well it is unlikely he will with this much drama and making a few of the main girls less likable so this premium version will need a rework as well if dev wants a bigger playerbase. It is a bit a damned if you do and damned if you do not. I wish he had spoken about his chars with a few people before he embarked on the remake. If he wanted to add drama and stronger story he overshot the mark unfortunately and forgot the first rule, the main characters must be able to garner sympathy from the players in a romantic harem, even when bad people.

 

[anonym0u5]

The main reason why I hated the Mentor system. 3 mentors, 3 paths, more work for Waifston and less content for us. There should only be Mr. Bonito as a mentor and that's it.

Holy crap I almost forgot about him, basically the only good thing came out of this update.

When a side character is more likable than all of the leads lol (including the female leads).

 

[saynotoNTR]

Holy crap I almost forgot about him, basically the only good thing came out of this update.

When a side character is more likable than all of the leads lol (including the female leads).

I noticed that Mr. Bonito is Russian, like Waifston. Waifston must like this character a lot, he is the best character in this game.

 

[mcguill]

I am really missing the sandbox aspect of the original game.

This way i end up clicking skiping all the text.

 

[funkygallo]

Seriously, do you think the solution is to jump between one decision and another?

 

[Zoonma]

Can always add the sandbox later in the game as it progresses. MANY games have done this before and it works just fine. Either way, they extra work has been done already so for better or worse, should stick and focus on the premium. I know people liked the old version, so did I. But if the dev feels more inspired with this then that is better then not, trust me. An uninspired dev can only hurt the game.

Again, if the sandbox is THAT popular (maybe take a pole vote on this) then add it later down the road. This can be done and it can be a great addition.

 

[saynotoNTR]

Again, if the sandbox is THAT popular (maybe take a pole vote on this) then add it later down the road. This can be done and it can be a great addition.

I am really missing the sandbox aspect of the original game.

You guys also don't know how to wait for things, Waifston said a thousand times that the free-roam will be present after the Prologue comes to an end. This is just the introduction of the game, the next updates will not have as much text for you to ignore.

 

[fdgdfgfdgd]

how i can get the second achievement?

 

[SilentSevenStar]

Waifston literally took a mallet and broke the ice under our feet, the reason I liked the game was because of its simplicity and easy-to-understand mechanics. The "remake" is difficult to swallow because there are people like me who have followed its development for more than a year and then comes the saying "clean slate", obviously you are going to feel annoyed !!, and wait for more to get to the content level to the previous version is ... I don't even know how to say it but you will lose players, you will lose them. From my point of view, it would have been better to take the game and edit it as other developers are doing, that while they release an update, they improve the previous content, raising the quality of the renders, making the animations more fluid, rewriting various things and improve the gameplay ... a few hours ago I felt happy because I passed my university entrance exam, now disappointment and some sadness mixed and I don't like it (Although nobody here cares ~). Anyway, I still hope that you continue with the previous version ...

 

[EZ8lt]

That's the true reason why this turned into such a mess? For that matter I created a poll, people have voted for the continuation of the remake.

The reason why this turned into such a mess is much more complicated than a single thing you could point out. I follow this game from the very first releases, even though I only engaged in conversations much later about it. To understand where I'm coming from, the context as a whole needs to be seen, so this is going to be another long post.

The original game was kind of an oddball within the adult games flood we currently have, in a good sense. It didn't had any overarching storylines, didn't had the usual protag-antag setup, didn't had some desperately story focused goal that we had progress towards, didn't have overly complexed characterizations but they were all likeable, it was about a young guy fresh out of high school in a small city, full of big busted milfs that he wanted to capture. He had several goals that a young adult would have, loosing his virginity, get experienced, get some financial stability, but in pursuit of that, everything was rather relaxed. The sandbox aspect was never overly grindy, you could progress with it if you put some time into laying some foundations in an almost seemless way, and there was something new week by week. I could easily recommend the game to anyone that wanted some chilling but fun and rewarding experience. In one word, it had a HEART. It was a silly, funny, relaxing game that anyone could get into it regardless of their current mood. I remember having a good laugh rather often while playing it, because even though it was over the top at times, it had a certain charm to it overall.

Then we arrived to the point of the infamous Christmas update. Although in my opinion, it wasn't exactly that where it all started to derail, but with the reintroduction of Alice, namely the second part of it. The first version of that, with how she returned, how we acted during that day, and the story with the wrong book and all, was still within the boundaries of the game as we know it. Then the second part brought the whole clothing store event which was already a bit weird, especially with how it turned out, and Alice kind of became a bipolar person. After that, we hit the Christmas update, and when I started playing with that, I barely recognized the game. You implemented several changes in there, which that you genuinely thought were making the game better, but they weren't, and I'm not only talking about the design changes for Kate and Elena here. What hit me as a surprise there, was some of the personality changes. Katie and Melissa, regressed back to their default personalities, with how reluctant Melissa was about you overall, or how Kate turned into basically an asexual. These changes ignored the progression we managed to get in the game so far, and while this did disappear with the orgy scene, them going back to how it should be, it felt rather alien at that point. Just as how much the sudden characteristic change came to the MC, the guy who was living his life to the fullest, within the circumstances he was able to, but then he started to question every action he took so far and guilt tripped himself for having fun with several women. These were things that either weren't present in the game at all, or we were way past behind those issues, and yet they suddenly resurfaced. I think this was also a big part of why the Christmas update tanked, not only the design changes for the girls.

And now we arrived to this remake versions, which did brought some improvments on technical aspects, mostly the visuals and some new ideas like the wiki, but bleeds from a thousand cuts, both if we're comparing it to the original game, or if we're looking at it as a standalone game. While the new version now has a defined goal, to where it wants to go, it has some characters defined of being allies or enemies, the world had been expanded, and several original characters were expanded upon, the things that made it to have that certain charm were all sacrificed in order to do this. While we knew that the nuns were slutty and kind of a bullies back in the day, we saw flashbacks regarding to that, and we also knew what were their original goals, which helped the MC to break that religious wacko shield that they put around themselves, they weren't really malicious. Yes, they did body shame Kate for her weight, and had a bantering relationship with the MC in the class, but that was it. Now, Sofia is an unlikeable cunt, that tricked you, accused of you being a rapist, got you beaten, bullied you constantly, and turned a nice girl into a slut. This makes her personality straight garbage, and no matter if she found God, Allah, Budha, or every higher being in existence, she can rot in the church for all I care, I don't really want to do anything with her anymore, let alone building a romantic relationship. Then we have Elena, who before the remake, really was the personification of the Tsundere Milf, but now, she's just a dick. It's not only about how she fucks over the MC with the recommendation, also if you don't flip out, she has an inner monologue about how she also percieves Alice, her supposed best friend, a straight failure. This is a character, that was a fan favorite, the design change regarding her body caused a riot, and yet again, for some reason that is beyond me, you decided to screw with her again. Then there's the granny, whom of we only saw one scene in the original, and a reference in here, but there's already a massive difference. In the original game scene, while she did berate Alice to an extent, it was about her being genuinely concerned about her, and that grandson she has. Now, it seems she's just on the Alice hate train for funs and giggles, which already paints her as an unlikeable twat. While as I mentioned before, not every change was for the worse, there's also the expanded dating scenario, which I think looks better so far then the previous one, there were also important story related changes that makes the whole remake rather bitter compared to the previous version.

If we're look at as it's own thing, a standalone game, there are many visible problems, both in game mechanics and in writing all over the place. I have to circle back to Elena here, who is right now a walking-talking hypocrisy. She claims to be a friend, an ally, and a teacher above reproach who's life goal is only to help her students on the one hand, while on the other, she was all too eager to screw over someone who she almost claims to be a son, hiding behind for the whole "my values" reasoning. Normally, this would work fine, but here we're talking about a guy, who's situation is so bad, that would already send many to the brink of suicide, something she knows perfectly well, and yet she pushes him down the rabbit hole even more without any second thought, then she offers "help" and claims to be wanting to help. That's just makes her a complete cunt that you'd never want to interact again in your life. Then there's the family, like Alice, who now is also painted in a rather contradictionary light. On one hand, she's supposed to be this cool, unshakable women that does have her major flaws, on the other, she's being stepped over every possible occasion. The aunt that is already a blatantly unlikeable asshole, who has an influence so big that she even can send the police after you based on false accusations, and it seems like the cousin will also be the same. The game got a theme of "saving the princess from the forces evil", where Alice is the one you need to save ultimately and the aunt and others will try to tackle you every time along the way. This is basically makes the new version something generic that we already saw a gazillion times when it comes to adult games, with all the typical flaws they usually have, being already present in the writing. The MC also became a severly mentally damaged person with some serious PTSD only to create some sort of tension and dramatic effect that is utterly unnecessary. I also don't see any reason why the MC was made into a 150 cm manlet that has a face of a 14 year old while claims to be 20, it only reinforces the feeling of a generic incest vn. I'm not against some of the new characters like Lorelei, but with her came Zack, the typical rich bully rival whom we'll can have an antagonistic relationship, but has a hot mom that we'll tap, so we have to bear with him regardless. The mentor system seems rather unecessary too, while it expands on the world overall, the MC opening his wings by himself would also work just as fine. The minigames are super annoying, the car washing one is buggy, and laggy on a computer that shouldn't have any problems with it. The intro advertises choices having consequences, but so far these choices doesn't serve for any branchings, but to restrict the player from getting certain content. If you decide to flip out against the principal and Elena, which given the MC's situation is most likely how anyone would react normally, you'll get locked out of the Principal mentor content, and even if you basically tell Elena to go fuck herself, she goes all crying which is too little too late, but all is forgiven, because she's a main girl, but in that case, making her pulling that shit was completely unnecessary. I guess the psychologist will be the third mentor, which also seems to be tied to how you act in the principal office, so that's already more than two third of content being blocked, because the Oxford and old man route wasn't equally long either. This comes down for the choices not really presenting to you different outcomes, but enticing you to be a little rollover doormat yes man, as much as it possible, no matter how much you're being stepped on, which is also another generic trope dropped in again. The problem is, that this new version already have severe flaws, even if I only look at it as a standalone game.

In my opinion, the best course of action would be taking those tidbits from the new version that works, mostly the graphical improvments and some of the mechanics, and throw the rest away, instead of just sticking to either to the new or old versions. You could implement some of the characters later onto the old, but that should be in a way that fits the original theme.