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Played this a year ago, had hardly any content, is that still the case? Not much repeatable or new scenes, hardly any sex scenes etc seemed more like a game where sex and nudity was secondary
Not really much of a change. There's a new dungeon that's super crashy at the end, and the battle system and dungeon exploration have seen some changes that don't really help as much as the developers seem to have thought they would.
The worst problem with this was always that it was super buggy. The art keeps improving but that's about it.
No need to be so passive aggressive. As you said, we are all here for porn. However, I do find Gull as a character and his initial reasoning for wanting to become more feminine (to appeal to someone else) as offensive. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking any kind of fetish.
Neither Gull nor Venture Seas are particularly worth arguing over at any rate
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Ah, the "you aren't like me, so I get to disregard your arguments" argument? True, you're free to live your life as you see fit. We're two strangers on the internet. I actually mistook your opening line to mean "your opinions and mine are different, therefore you're inferior" for a minute. It's a common enough attitude.
The winner of a debate is not the one who gets the last word, the loudest applause, or a trophy at the end: it's whoever gets closer to the truth. I'm making what I hope are cogent, reasonable responses to what I see as fallacies to kill time. But, to be fair, this is all detracting from the purpose of this thread: to discuss the game. Not sociopolitical structures, sexual orientation, or the value of definitions. Last post.
Unironically made me laugh. Thank you.
Are you making the argument that something is only gay if the gay community, in a general sense, agrees that it is? I'm not even touching that one.
>traps aren't very gay
Even you acknowledge that they are gay--just not gay enough for your tastes. I've already addressed this when I pointed out that enough people have acknowledged that distinction that many websites have "trap" or "tomgirl" tags.
>when you pedantically come along
Yes, I'm focused on accuracy and details. It's reasonable of you to call me a pedant.
>you're entirely missing the sexuality of what this niche is
I'm not sure that sentence makes sense. Did you mean that I don't share your list of qualifications for the character, Gull, to meet the niche's description? Because I don't.
>It's not really that hard to understand.
It isn't. I just don't agree. You haven't convinced me of anything.
I'm going to paraphrase this next one:
>If someone's getting off to...a boy...then they're...gay ones.
Makes a lot more sense once you take out half the sentence.
I think the point we both seem prepared to circle around is that people get to define their sexuality for themselves. I say "circle around" and not "agree upon" because you seem to take my difference in opinion personally when we clearly agree on a few things.
I've killed enough time. Thanks for playing.
Sorry, but that's the way it is. Insecure straight boys trying to push something away from themselves and declare it haram doesn't make it gay; it's gay if the gay community accepts and practices it.
Oh thank god. I can go tell my dad he didn't need to kick me out for fucking a feminine guy when I was in my teens. It simply wasn't gay! Such a relief. Thanks Captain Gay: Definer of All Things Homosexual!
That's a prime example of your dumb straight dad freaking out and declaring something gay just because he doesn't like it. Bigots and insecure doofuses don't get any say in what a community they're not apart of is about - especially when it comes to their own tastes and culture.
Straights are just flat-out irrelevant when it comes to what gay culture is.
you have to change the name of the file by adding ".rar" at the end, then you can extract the contents
The point being you don't get to define what other's sexuality is either. If a guy is fem/twink you're saying he's not a "real man". You're gatekeeping what it means to be gay. I'm not into masc guys. I'm into fem guys. This just perpetuates more of this toxic Masc4Masc culture.
EDIT: Also let's not derail the thread further. I don't think either of us is going to budge on the issue.
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This would be a prime example of re-contextualizing somethings theory so much, that you completely lose touch with reality. Main reason being that your argument is so focussed on how wanting to have sex with a femboy doesn't adhere to your narrow view of "gay culture" that you're missing the part of it where a man is attracted to the idea of anally penetraring another man. Femboys or "traps" are generally not shown to actually consider themselves female, so we're not even getting close to the area of transgenderism. They are merely men or boys that happen to have feminine features and enhance them through the way they dress with, at least in most stories that involve them, the purpose of drawing the attention of other men. Likewise men that are into the idea of femboys are generally not of the opinion "Oh, I would have vastly prefered if this was a woman, but sure, I'll take the little bonus." or "Oh, so this isn't a transwoman but he actually considers himself a man? Fuck it, I'm too invested now, wanna fuck that character anyway." but the idea of the character being effeminate yet still clearly male is the whole appeal. I legitimately have no idea how anyone could consider that anything BUT a homosexual fantasy.
Your argument tries to avoid coming to that very same conclusion by proposing 2 "counter-arguments", both of which seem pretty narrowminded.
1. And this one, at least, is just implied in your argument and not straight up articulated: "Feminine men that have sexual encounters with other men are not homosexual, because you don't get to pick your sexuality if you have feminine features."
2. This one you essentially just stated outright: "Anything that does not adhere to my personal view of 'homosexual culture' (a.k.a. bears and twinks) is not acceptable as gay in my eyes."
Trying to defend either position without admitting to quite literally gatekeeping a sexuality, as another poster so wonderfully put it, will be pretty difficult.
You can technically even remove the "culture" aspect of it entirely, as that is one of those common cases of people mixing up sex and gender. Gender is the social concept, but that one is not being discussed here. There is no social checklist for being biologically male and there is no social checklist for being homosexual as both of these categories are solely commenting on the persons sex. Sex = born with the chromosomes and a set of internal and external genitalia meant for procreation that we have dubbed "male" or "female" respectively / Homosexual = prefering sexual intercourse with someone of the same biological sex. There is no culture involved here. This becomes a bit blurrier when taking into account transmen and transwomen, although by definition a man having sex with a transgender woman would also be engaging in homosexual sex. That does not change the fact that this transwoman would absolutely be female when talking about gender, it's just that the terms "sex", "heterosexual", "homosexual" and "bisexual" do, in their etymology, all focus exclusively on someones sex.
So if some men are fantacising about sex with other effemenate men, then they are very clearly going for a homosexual fantasy. They essentially created a scenario that might be 99% straight fantasy at first, but then specifically chose for the target of their attraction to have a penis, testicles, no vagina and to consider themselves male too. The only reason for those additions would be if you want it to be a homosexual fantasy instead.
Rather than trying to push this into a "this guy doesnt even play football, so he can't be straight" or "this guy acts like neither a bear not a twink, so he can't be gay" direction wouldn't it make more sense to simply accept that people of all sexualities can be pretty different in regards to their specific tastes?
You wouldn't tell a straight man that is into tomboyish women "woah, you don't like strippers and cheerleaders, so you're no longer part of the straight club now" and it makes just as little sense to tell gay men that are into effeminate men "that's neither a bear, nor a twink, so you're out of the gay club now".
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I know that this will be a stupid question, but how can I use a potion on myself? I found a way to use them on everyone but my character. (I can't get rid of the tits just with the cheat menu for example) Help would be appreciated!
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Thanks I remember I quit playing it cause of game breaking bugs.
A lot of new stuff got added though...
Do I bite the bullet?
But it's
Uh, no, I already said twinks are well ingrained in the culture and that they're very much men. There's a distinction difference between being twinky and being femme and then another difference between the sexuality of the 'trap' idea and the sexuality in the gay community.
I think a lot of you are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying here. Just because something involves two men (or two women) doesn't mean it's by, for, or a fascination of gay people. Gays have their own distinct tastes - distinct from the stuff that insecure straight men try to cut away from -their- sexuality. That's where some of the wires are being crossed: what straight boys think is gay is altogether different from what gay boys think is gay and the flat-out this-part-isn't-up-for-debate truth is that straights' opinions on it are not valid. Gay men are the ones who get to define what their own tastes and culture are.
In fact a lot of homo content is for straights. There's """"lesbian"""" material that's clearly just titilating wank fodder for men, of course. Actual stories produced by lesbians tend to bore straight men because the sexuality is completely different. Traps and femboys and futa are by and large a fascination of straight men, too. They're the ones who talk about it, they're the ones who consume it, and when you look at media aimed at gay men those character types are much much rarer. Over in Japan there's BL (boys' love) for another example. This is a genre centered around boys hooking up with an overwheming minority of actual gay fans - its audience and its authors are nearly all women writing fantasies for other women. Bara on the other hand is a catch-all for works that are penned by gay men and for gay men. Surprise surprise, not many fans of BL also like bara and vice-versa.
Here's what this is driving at: just because it involves homosexuality doesn't mean that it's gay (embraced and practiced and attuned to the distinct sexuality of people who identify themselves as gay), nor is gay the be-all-end-all of homosexual sexuality. Like you assumed that I'm going for a purely Masc4Masc angle, so I'm sure you know what I'm talking about when I say that there are certain tastes and such that can and do get disowned by gays. Transgender sexuality, which can and does get called gay by straight pedants who dry hump the dictionary, is another one that largely seeks to emulate straight sexuality - very few transgirls get gay boyfriends; they end up with openminded straight guys. Traps/femboys largely fall under a straight paradigm, too, in that they by and large hook up with women and curious straight guys, not gay men. That's not to say that 'they're just straight' (as we all know how famously insecure and inflexible straights are) but rather that their sexuality is often disowned by straights but still emulates, though simulacrum &c, some typical straight sexual archetypes and dynamics (rather than gay ones).
The Big Idea here is that straight and gay are not the two paradigms of sexuality; quite a number of things exist either on the outskirts of these frames or fall outside of their umbrellas. The relationship between straight and gay - that is to say the squabbling more often than not - doesn't define the sexuality of those who aren't strictly in either camp any more than their self-serving decrees (straights trying to straightsplain what's gay to police each other, gays defining what gay actually means for themselves) do. They also have their own right to square their sexual tastes for themselves and judgments from people like your dad are completely worthless.
Case in point: 100% of Are Traps Gay? arguments are scared straight boys saying EWWW NO THAT SHIT'S GAY BRO while actual gay men are saying uuuuhhhh no it's not, traps are the """lesbians""" of straight porn - and that's how that goes.