balitz Method

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You wouldn't tell a straight man that is into tomboyish women "woah, you don't like strippers and cheerleaders, so you're no longer part of the straight club now" and it makes just as little sense to tell gay men that are into effeminate men "that's neither a bear, nor a twink, so you're out of the gay club now".
We're mostly avoiding conflict in our views except for this: this -literally- happens and it's not a bug, it's a feature.

Hoooooweeeverrrrr I don't see that as something to get too upset about. Clubs police themselves but they're not the only clubs in town, either, they just like to present themselves that way. I'm bi myself so my experience is being told I'm not in the fckn club lmao. Like I can hang out and eat the cassarole that Aaron's lifepartner Dylan made or use the toilet over at Ellie and David's place but try to shuffle out before the party starts, kay?

It took me a while to get to a place where I wasn't upset about it but I came to realize that, while those clubs may have a ton of social traction, it's far more liberating to be able to live as an independent who defines their own sexuality - and there are in fact smaller groups of flexy-sexy people who aren't so rigid because they're not some political force. You can't tell the clubs that they don't have the right to define themselves but their definitions are for them; they don't have to be for you.
 
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From what I read from balitz Method all this are only your personal viewpoint. None one has said that you have to like it or not or that is not, for you the things that you want to see for gay sex.
But we said that you can't define what is the definition of gay and what is not. This doesn't work at all. In every terminology a consens is found for the term in question and then it defined. Afterwards the term is defined with this definition until the organisation have a better, newer or simple another definition for this term (see what happens with Pluto).

From the :
gay
adjective
(of people, especially men) sexually attracted to people of the same sex
So, this is what gay the word means. You can say what you want, but their is the defintion.
The other won't work.

And to counter-argument with your own argumentation:
Gays have their own distinct tastes - distinct from the stuff that insecure straight men try to cut away from -their- sexuality. That's where some of the wires are being crossed: what straight boys think is gay is altogether different from what gay boys think is gay and the flat-out this-part-isn't-up-for-debate truth is that straights' opinions on it are not valid. Gay men are the ones who get to define what their own tastes and culture are.
So you say A) Sex between traps and mens aren't are not gay sex and B) straight people don't have a right to define what "gay" sex is. Which I do assume call for C) Gay or lesbian people have no right to define what straight sex is and D) Gay or straight people have no right to define what lesbian sex is.

So, we have traps who have sex with men and per (A) this is not gay sex. As I'm not gay myself I don't have the right to have a word in this definition (B). Yet as a straight person (C) I can define that this is neither straight porn. Therefore it must be lebsian porn, cause if it is neither gay porn or straight porn, then the only other possible option would be lesbian porn.
I strongly think I need to consult my findings with Avaron1974. Perhaps she can share some insight in what I have now discovered must be lesbian porn.o_O
 
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Here's one for the straight boys that you can pen down in your grimoires: your view of gay being irreconcilable with actual gay people's views centers around the concept of faggotry.

When straights say 'gay' what they mean is 'faggy' and this is an insular concept that they use to police each other. This one crosses cultural barriers and epochs, too. THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO the greeks were engaging in behavior that contemporary straight people would call super ultra mega gay. Older Athenian men would mentor handsome younger men (with their dicks) and young Spartan men raised together in fighting units would sleep together and use their love for each other as a bonding force. This wasn't gay or straight, those concepts didn't exist back then, but faggotry certainly did. No one considered these concepts faggy because the men were acting in proper accordance with all social expectations for right and proper Athenian or Spartan men. What they considered shameful and faggy were weak men who'd act as prostitutes or sluts and waggle their hips like some loose woman.

This old paradigm of faggotry is centered around two archetypes: the Macho Man who acts properly and the Sissy Man who doesn't. It's about showing weakness. Sissy behavior is effeminate (not strictly behaviors of women, and in fact they're distinct, but rather anti-masculine behaviors) and this has always been harshly punished and policed by the prevailing social order of the day. In our time it's straightness. Men and women both will bully any man who's acting faggy as a way of convincing him to clean up his act. This is a central fixture in the sexuality of straightness. The gay community has always had to react to straights trying to call them out for faggotry, of course, but that play doesn't work when the person you're using it on is reading from a completely different book.

Gay culture still has the concept of macho and sissy men, of course, but it's a different understanding and the dynamics involved are different. Faggotry there is tongue in cheek, an inside joke, and doesn't define their sexuality the way it does for straights. They have their own sense of what a proper gay man is like and, though they don't call it faggotry, if someone violates it then they will deal with it in much the same way: through course-correction bullying and ostracizing.

Two people from different cultures using the same words are not talking about the same thing.
 
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If sexuality was as easy as an dictionary definition, we wouldn't need such discussions.
More basically a dictionary is descriptive, not prescriptive.

It describes how people use words; the idea that words don't mean something until the dictionary declares it so is assedbackwards.
 

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How do i open the downloaded file? I just says its a file, nothing more. I have java installed, but it wont open at all
 

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Thats the point, what type of file is it? i have winrar and it wont find it. Thats why i wrote its seen a a regular file, but nothing else. Sorry
 

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Any time you come up against push back to your opinion, which is what that is, not a fact, you simply hide behind the idea that you’re being talked down to by the dreaded straights. You then proceed to tell everybody “well ackshually” being gay is inherently about the cultural stereotypes you have yourself ingrained into yourself as well as your belief that gay must be this specific idea and cultural identity to get to the “true essence” of what’s it means to be gay. Which is entirely sanctimonious bullshit on your part.

If you’re gay you’re a dude who like fucking other dudes and acknowledges that they’re dudes. End of story. You don’t need to have been at stonewall. You don’t need to participate in pride. You don’t need to be some ridiculous Adonis gymbro.

You can try to dress it up in some half baked ideology of “true gayness” but it’s still just you deciding for other people what their sexuality is, much like say a straight bigot would tell a gay person what constitutes morality.
 

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The bottom line is that straight boys don't get to tell other people what their sexuality is, especially when it's so obvious that the overwhelming majority of fans for something are in their camp.

It's not a mysterious coincidence that games catering to straight players sometimes include futa and traps but games catering to gay players hardly ever do.
So everyone that disagrees with you is straight all of a sudden, even though you have a large amount of nonstraight people telling you you're wrong? Do bisexual men not exist to you? Do gay men that don't fit your narrow and binary view of men not exist to you? You project that others are trying to tell you what your sexuality is when it is you doing that to people while acting like the masc4masc no fats no fems arbiter of all things gay.
 
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Any time you come up against push back to your opinion, which is what that is, not a fact, you simply hide behind the idea that you’re being talked down to by the dreaded straights. You then proceed to tell everybody “well ackshually” being gay is inherently about the cultural stereotypes you have yourself ingrained into yourself as well as your belief that gay must be this specific idea and cultural identity to get to the “true essence” of what’s it means to be gay. Which is entirely sanctimonious bullshit on your part.
Yeah, you need an ackshuaaally because straight bois love to bust out their buggery calculators but don't like to listen when it comes to The Gay. It is a unique thing that straight bois do; it's pure narcissism to define gayness as 'everything that grosses me out'.

Straight men do not get to tell gay men what being gay is. Gay culture is its own thing with its own rules and no matter how hard you try to whack them with a dictionary you can't control their sexuality or force them to acknowledge things you don't want associated with yours.
 
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So everyone that disagrees with you is straight all of a sudden, even though you have a large amount of nonstraight people telling you you're wrong? Do bisexual men not exist to you? Do gay men that don't fit your narrow and binary view of men not exist to you? You project that others are trying to tell you what your sexuality is when it is you doing that to people while acting like the masc4masc no fats no fems arbiter of all things gay.
Maybe do a little more reading, hmm?

Posts 1222 and 1223.
 
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This isn't Yu-Gi-Oh. Yelling out fallacies like they're trap cards doesn't magically overturn everything.

You can go off and talk about what you think is gay to other straight boys and police yourselves with accusations of faggotry - that's what you do - but that's the only place where your judgments mean anything.

Men don't get to tell women what femininity is, straights can't tell gays what gayness is, Europeans can't tell Chinese what is and isn't authentic chinese culture. It's very simple: as the out group what you think has no bearing on the in group.
 

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This isn't Yu-Gi-Oh. Yelling out fallacies like they're trap cards doesn't magically overturn everything.

You can go off and talk about what you think is gay to other straight boys and police yourselves with accusations of faggotry - that's what you do - but that's the only place where your judgments mean anything.

Men don't get to tell women what femininity is, straights can't tell gays what gayness is, Europeans can't tell Chinese what is and isn't authentic chinese culture. It's very simple: as the out group what you think has no bearing on the in group.

You: straight people can’t define what gay is.

Also you: gay people can’t define what gay is.

Lol.
 
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