balitz Method

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You're playing with semantics. Gull is a male. If you're playing as a male, sex between the player and Gull is sex between two males, which is gay.
That is playing with semantics. Just like femboy/trap content is a niche so is gay content. Adhering that strictly to pedantics is being disingenuous at best and completely ignorant at worst. Trap content isn't gay content because it doesn't appeal to gay men. Straight guys who're a little curious like the idea of dipping their toe into some m/m that's flavored entirely like what they're used to; gay guys want to see masculine characters hooking up and romancing each other.

Straight boys surely do love to straightsplain to gay men what is and isn't gay but that's their own hang-up. Gay is a particular flavor of m/m just like trap content is and the gay version of the whole negative stigma surrounding the idea of traps is hearing gay but finding out that it's more stuff for straight boys.
 

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Well it seems content in this build is still scarce. They added sex scenes in recent steam build but I assume they are going to be underwhelming like they had been for past 3 years :/
 

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That is playing with semantics. Just like femboy/trap content is a niche so is gay content. Adhering that strictly to pedantics is being disingenuous at best and completely ignorant at worst. Trap content isn't gay content because it doesn't appeal to gay men. Straight guys who're a little curious like the idea of dipping their toe into some m/m that's flavored entirely like what they're used to; gay guys want to see masculine characters hooking up and romancing each other.

Straight boys surely do love to straightsplain to gay men what is and isn't gay but that's their own hang-up. Gay is a particular flavor of m/m just like trap content is and the gay version of the whole negative stigma surrounding the idea of traps is hearing gay but finding out that it's more stuff for straight boys.
You could just as easily make the argument that all content is "niche" content. Just add silly tags like "tight jeans" or "bathroom tiles" and what was incidental can be presented as purposeful. Actually, on other websites I've seen recurring demands for a "vanilla" tag for porn that is "cavity inducing," so there might been more to that than I thought...everything is a fetish, I guess.

Have you ever heard of Flashgitz? There's a video titled "Destiny is Fabulous" that addresses our argument neatly. The quote I have in mind: "You guys might not be homosexual, but you're definitely fucking gay."

Homo - same. Homosexual - same sex.
Not all arachnids are scorpions, but all scorpions are arachnids.
Not all gay content is trap content, but all trap content is gay content.

Content needs not appeal to anyone to merit its tag, but it does need to sufficiently match the tag's definition.

I suppose we're discussing porn taxonomy, now. What was the original argument?
>Trap content isn't gay content because it doesn't appeal to gay men
You speak for all gay men? Astounding. I thought there might be more variety and nuance to sexuality in general, but perhaps my error was thinking that to be gay was to be attracted to men while being a man.

>Straight boys surely do love to straightsplain
You demean yourself with that cringe-inducing diction, but yes.
This and many other websites have an overwhelming abundance of evidence showing that everyone has a compulsive need to explain and argue the finer points of sexuality in general, though thankfully not at all times. Did you expect me to be offended by such a self-evident truth?

The argument I think you meant to make is that it would spare gay men who aren't interested in traps a little time and disappointment if "trap" was distinguished from "gay." It actually is--this site has a tag for "trap." But, referring to the bulk of our argument, people will continuously disagree on when and where and how and why it ought to be applied.

Off the top of my head I can think of several arguments:
>There's a trap character in a game with no sex scenes.
People will argue about whether the game needs the tag or not simply because the character exists.
>There's a trap character who looks a little more masculine than androgynous or feminine.
People will argue about whether or not the character is a trap.
>There's a trap character, but they TF into a woman before you can romance them.
People will argue not only over the trap tag, but whether it's gay to have sex with someone that used to be male.
>There's a female character who TFs into a trap or shemale.
See above.
>There's a female character who can TF into a trap, shemale, or male depending on the player's actions.
There are people who will actually argue that if the potential exists, all outcomes apply. Whether they're just trolling or actually believe that, I leave for you to decide.

I hope you see my point. Categorizing and indexing will never be perfect by anyone's standard, and people will argue semantics and definitions almost endlessly--doubly so where their sexuality is concerned. This post itself is an example.
 

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That is playing with semantics. Just like femboy/trap content is a niche so is gay content. Adhering that strictly to pedantics is being disingenuous at best and completely ignorant at worst. Trap content isn't gay content because it doesn't appeal to gay men. Straight guys who're a little curious like the idea of dipping their toe into some m/m that's flavored entirely like what they're used to; gay guys want to see masculine characters hooking up and romancing each other.

Straight boys surely do love to straightsplain to gay men what is and isn't gay but that's their own hang-up. Gay is a particular flavor of m/m just like trap content is and the gay version of the whole negative stigma surrounding the idea of traps is hearing gay but finding out that it's more stuff for straight boys.
You don't speak for all gay men, my guy. I know plenty of gay/bi men who absolutely prefer feminine men and to generalize otherwise is both gullible and ignorant.
 
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I thought there might be more variety and nuance to sexuality in general, but perhaps my error was thinking that to be gay was to be attracted to men while being a man.
Being gay is a social experience centered around a culture of people who prefer their own sex. If anything you got it exactly backwards: it may be homosexual, but it's only gay if it's gay. As far as sexuality goes things like orientations are pure bunk - invented and very recent ideas that fall apart at the slightest suggestion of nuance.

Traps aren't very gay because, fuckn obviously, the aesthetics of m/m trap sex are pure hetero: one partner is masculine and the other is feminine, sometimes to the point of trying to imitate or even contextualize the sex as being a simulacrum of m/f sex. When you pedantically come along and say well hoo hoo it's gay cuz there are two men you're entirely missing the sexuality of what this niche is.

Bears and twinks are gay. Both of those aesthetics are straight out of gay culture, it's a purely masculine affair, and even if the twink is purely a bottom he's not trying to pass himself off as a woman or contextualize his relationship to his partner in terms of familiar straight dynamics. The sexuality of the act follows along its own lines.

It's not really that hard to understand. If someone's getting off to treating a soft boy like a girl and the boy is getting off to feeling (what he thinks to be) like a girl then they're experimenting with straight dynamics, not gay ones. No matter how much scared little straight boys want to push everything that seems gay away from them that's not how this works; gay people define their own niche and traps ain't part of it.
 
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balitz Method

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You don't speak for all gay men, my guy. I know plenty of gay/bi men who absolutely prefer feminine men and to generalize otherwise is both gullible and ignorant.
The bottom line is that straight boys don't get to tell other people what their sexuality is, especially when it's so obvious that the overwhelming majority of fans for something are in their camp.

It's not a mysterious coincidence that games catering to straight players sometimes include futa and traps but games catering to gay players hardly ever do.
 

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Played this a year ago, had hardly any content, is that still the case? Not much repeatable or new scenes, hardly any sex scenes etc seemed more like a game where sex and nudity was secondary
 

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Played this a year ago, had hardly any content, is that still the case? Not much repeatable or new scenes, hardly any sex scenes etc seemed more like a game where sex and nudity was secondary
Not really much of a change. There's a new dungeon that's super crashy at the end, and the battle system and dungeon exploration have seen some changes that don't really help as much as the developers seem to have thought they would.
 
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Played this a year ago, had hardly any content, is that still the case? Not much repeatable or new scenes, hardly any sex scenes etc seemed more like a game where sex and nudity was secondary
The worst problem with this was always that it was super buggy. The art keeps improving but that's about it.
 
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A bunch of words and then...

But you do you. We're all here for porn.
No need to be so passive aggressive. As you said, we are all here for porn. However, I do find Gull as a character and his initial reasoning for wanting to become more feminine (to appeal to someone else) as offensive. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking any kind of fetish.

Neither Gull nor Venture Seas are particularly worth arguing over at any rate
 
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The bottom line is that straight boys don't get to tell other people what their sexuality is, especially when it's so obvious that the overwhelming majority of fans for something are in their camp.

It's not a mysterious coincidence that games catering to straight players sometimes include futa and traps but games catering to gay players hardly ever do.
Ah, the "you aren't like me, so I get to disregard your arguments" argument? True, you're free to live your life as you see fit. We're two strangers on the internet. I actually mistook your opening line to mean "your opinions and mine are different, therefore you're inferior" for a minute. It's a common enough attitude.
Boys, you're both pretty. No need to fight.
The winner of a debate is not the one who gets the last word, the loudest applause, or a trophy at the end: it's whoever gets closer to the truth. I'm making what I hope are cogent, reasonable responses to what I see as fallacies to kill time. But, to be fair, this is all detracting from the purpose of this thread: to discuss the game. Not sociopolitical structures, sexual orientation, or the value of definitions. Last post.
Lol. Gay-tekeeping.
Unironically made me laugh. Thank you.
Being gay is a social experience centered around a culture of people who prefer their own sex. If anything you got it exactly backwards: it may be homosexual, but it's only gay if it's gay. As far as sexuality goes things like orientations are pure bunk - invented and very recent ideas that fall apart at the slightest suggestion of nuance.

Traps aren't very gay because, fuckn obviously, the aesthetics of m/m trap sex are pure hetero: one partner is masculine and the other is feminine, sometimes to the point of trying to imitate or even contextualize the sex as being a simulacrum of m/f sex. When you pedantically come along and say well hoo hoo it's gay cuz there are two men you're entirely missing the sexuality of what this niche is.

Bears and twinks are gay. Both of those aesthetics are straight out of gay culture, it's a purely masculine affair, and even if the twink is purely a bottom he's not trying to pass himself off as a woman or contextualize his relationship to his partner in terms of familiar straight dynamics. The sexuality of the act follows along its own lines.

It's not really that hard to understand. If someone's getting off to treating a soft boy like a girl and the boy is getting off to feeling (what he thinks to be) like a girl then they're experimenting with straight dynamics, not gay ones. No matter how much scared little straight boys want to push everything that seems gay away from them that's not how this works; gay people define their own niche and traps ain't part of it.
Are you making the argument that something is only gay if the gay community, in a general sense, agrees that it is? I'm not even touching that one.

>traps aren't very gay
Even you acknowledge that they are gay--just not gay enough for your tastes. I've already addressed this when I pointed out that enough people have acknowledged that distinction that many websites have "trap" or "tomgirl" tags.
>when you pedantically come along
Yes, I'm focused on accuracy and details. It's reasonable of you to call me a pedant.
>you're entirely missing the sexuality of what this niche is
I'm not sure that sentence makes sense. Did you mean that I don't share your list of qualifications for the character, Gull, to meet the niche's description? Because I don't.

>It's not really that hard to understand.
It isn't. I just don't agree. You haven't convinced me of anything.
I'm going to paraphrase this next one:
>If someone's getting off to...a boy...then they're...gay ones.
Makes a lot more sense once you take out half the sentence.

I think the point we both seem prepared to circle around is that people get to define their sexuality for themselves. I say "circle around" and not "agree upon" because you seem to take my difference in opinion personally when we clearly agree on a few things.

I've killed enough time. Thanks for playing.
 
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