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Ah, the "you aren't like me, so I get to disregard your arguments" argument? True, you're free to live your life as you see fit. We're two strangers on the internet. I actually mistook your opening line to mean "your opinions and mine are different, therefore you're inferior" for a minute. It's a common enough attitude.The bottom line is that straight boys don't get to tell other people what their sexuality is, especially when it's so obvious that the overwhelming majority of fans for something are in their camp.
It's not a mysterious coincidence that games catering to straight players sometimes include futa and traps but games catering to gay players hardly ever do.
The winner of a debate is not the one who gets the last word, the loudest applause, or a trophy at the end: it's whoever gets closer to the truth. I'm making what I hope are cogent, reasonable responses to what I see as fallacies to kill time. But, to be fair, this is all detracting from the purpose of this thread: to discuss the game. Not sociopolitical structures, sexual orientation, or the value of definitions. Last post.Boys, you're both pretty. No need to fight.
Unironically made me laugh. Thank you.Lol. Gay-tekeeping.
Are you making the argument that something is only gay if the gay community, in a general sense, agrees that it is? I'm not even touching that one.Being gay is a social experience centered around a culture of people who prefer their own sex. If anything you got it exactly backwards: it may be homosexual, but it's only gay if it's gay. As far as sexuality goes things like orientations are pure bunk - invented and very recent ideas that fall apart at the slightest suggestion of nuance.
Traps aren't very gay because, fuckn obviously, the aesthetics of m/m trap sex are pure hetero: one partner is masculine and the other is feminine, sometimes to the point of trying to imitate or even contextualize the sex as being a simulacrum of m/f sex. When you pedantically come along and say well hoo hoo it's gay cuz there are two men you're entirely missing the sexuality of what this niche is.
Bears and twinks are gay. Both of those aesthetics are straight out of gay culture, it's a purely masculine affair, and even if the twink is purely a bottom he's not trying to pass himself off as a woman or contextualize his relationship to his partner in terms of familiar straight dynamics. The sexuality of the act follows along its own lines.
It's not really that hard to understand. If someone's getting off to treating a soft boy like a girl and the boy is getting off to feeling (what he thinks to be) like a girl then they're experimenting with straight dynamics, not gay ones. No matter how much scared little straight boys want to push everything that seems gay away from them that's not how this works; gay people define their own niche and traps ain't part of it.
>traps aren't very gay
Even you acknowledge that they are gay--just not gay enough for your tastes. I've already addressed this when I pointed out that enough people have acknowledged that distinction that many websites have "trap" or "tomgirl" tags.
>when you pedantically come along
Yes, I'm focused on accuracy and details. It's reasonable of you to call me a pedant.
>you're entirely missing the sexuality of what this niche is
I'm not sure that sentence makes sense. Did you mean that I don't share your list of qualifications for the character, Gull, to meet the niche's description? Because I don't.
>It's not really that hard to understand.
It isn't. I just don't agree. You haven't convinced me of anything.
I'm going to paraphrase this next one:
>If someone's getting off to...a boy...then they're...gay ones.
Makes a lot more sense once you take out half the sentence.
I think the point we both seem prepared to circle around is that people get to define their sexuality for themselves. I say "circle around" and not "agree upon" because you seem to take my difference in opinion personally when we clearly agree on a few things.
I've killed enough time. Thanks for playing.