Views on Netorare

[Miki57]

NTR haters recycling the same dumb arguments since 10 years, how original.Just because you like picturing yourself as the MC or as fucking Naruto and co doesn't mean everyone else is doing it.You know, it's actually possible to watch stuff as a 3rd person and enjoy NTR without being a real-life cuck with a micro-penis...
I like to switch between Vanilla and NTR because that way I can keep the normal stuff fresh.When you've read 100 vanilla stories you just stop giving a fuck.NTR has that extra edge, that wow factor, you actually feel something.

Funnily the NTR haters are still saying, 10 years later, that NTR is a small niche that's never gonna expand.Because you think your Western blender games are representative of anything?Check what's coming out from DMM, Visual Novels or anything else from Japan and it's neighbours.NTR is everywhere, has overall the best art, is already a massive powerhouse.
The only reason your western blender artists don't make NTR is because it's haters are the leftists of the Adult community.You're like the Vegans, like those SJW and Feminists swarming in America.You can't stand people enjoying something you don't like.Any, and I say any western artist hinting for possible NTR will see hundreds of your kinds swarming the discussions with hate speech and you will threaten the guy in PM, report his archives.
NTR fans at least are classier, they mostly don't go around telling people with different fetishes that what they like is shit.

You say NTR is an abomination, and probably believe that by stopping it's expansion you're doing the good thing, similar to those leftists saying they're in the right side of history.
But I'm asking you, when a Guro work shows a cute Waifu being cut in pieces and the dead body being raped, where are you?When a translator says he's happy to release a work he had in his mind for 3 years and it's actually 8yo smiling schoolgirls being beaten up in the streets, where are you?When an NTR work is released, where...Oh there you are, telling people they are micro penises cucks for the 15 billions times.So smart, so funny.Such high IQ.

The only reason you are doing it is because NTR is a direct threat to you.Furry, Yaoi, Futa, Gore and all that stuff don't matter because it won't diminish the amount of stuff you get.But NTR is made by the same category of artists you like.Like spoiled kids, you don't like sharing.You think you're entitled to get forever your daily dose of MC's fucking 10 different easy sluts per day, because that's the shit, that's the good stuff.
I advise you to keep pressuring and menacing your precious western blender artists like you so kindly do, because just one day off and your precious Western Games fort will crumble and succumb to NTR.It always find its way.

 

[greenlittleman]

And here, ladies and gentleman, is what I'm talking about. An example of a person that thinks you can rape people until they like you.

More than that - you can just abuse people until they "like" you. It is something that really happens. Would it "work" on everyone? Nope. But it definitely happens. Many people are emotional masochists. If you are too lazy to google what is Stockholm syndrome (though the fact that you don't know it by default already proves that you aren't very educated) then it is on you. What I state here isn't an opinion - it is an indisputable fact backed by science. Many victims of abuse or rape start to enjoy it and/or accept it as the norm. It is a defensive mechanism on the one side and the result of our biology on the other. It doesn't excuse those behaviors, but it is how things are. People are bio machines that could be easily influenced by outside influence like drugs, abuse, ideologies, religions, etc. Such things as brainwashing are real as well.

And some people are serial killers. You can find almost any kind of oddity out there, but you have to look at probabilities and percentages. The number of serial killers vs regular humans is probably .000001%. But we think there are a ton of them because they get noticed when caught. And I'd bet you just about anything that the number of women that can be raped into liking it are longer odds than that.

It is impossible to know for sure, but you also should know what statistically at least 70% of women have a sexual fantasy of being raped. Also, we need to know a definition of "liking it" and to know what kind of rape it is. If it is just physical pleasure then it is very easy to commit rape so the victim enjoyed it physically (blackmail, aphrodisiacs, drugs, etc). When it comes to emotional suffering - it depends on a victim's worldview and values. In this sense, "raped until liked it" is rather realistic in some hentai stories because the experience of getting extreme pleasure changes the values of a heroine the same way they could be changed by drugs. If you forcefully make someone into a heroin addict then at some point they'll stop resisting and would instead beg you for a new dose. And while sexual pleasure wouldn't be enough to change most people so much, I guess it is possible that it would be the case for those with a high libido and sex drive.

By the way, when it comes to serial killers, then each person has it in them. How many people do you kill while completing The Witcher 3 (I would say that more than 1000, bandits spawn way too much, lol)? The problem with serial killers isn't that they kill, but that they kill innocent people for no other reason than to enjoy the thrill. The actual murder is a norm for our species, if it wasn't, all our history wouldn't be so full of wars. By nature, humans are competitive hunters.

 

[tanstaafl]

A claim that is 0.000000000001% true is still true.

If you heard the stories of what some people (male and female) have gone through sexually you'd probably feel like puking while sobbing.

No, in proving a scientific hypothesis those numbers don't mean it's true, it means that in outlying cases there are anomalies. And don't for a second believe that you have some monopoly on knowing what people have gone through. I'm an old man and I worked in the medical field for 20 years. Ask yourself what I've seen.

Miki57 can safely be ignored, he has nothing new to offer this discussion and didn't bother going back far enough to read that I enjoy NTR except for the 'rape 'em until you break 'em' flavors.

greenlittleman doubles down by saying everyone's a serial killer because they like video games AND that you can just rape any girl into liking you. I think he might need a bit of therapy.

 

[Pal_]

NTR haters recycling the same dumb arguments since 10 years, how original.Just because you like picturing yourself as the MC or as fucking Naruto and co doesn't mean everyone else is doing it.

Personally I think, it is completely unhealthy and odd, if you think, that you´re the mc and if you then get triggered by some computer dude in a game. Real life...of course, if someone wants to steal your girl. But that´s the real you and your real life, this is just a game, similar to porn (where you watch some dude fuck some girls) or other movies, mangas, comics etc. You can hate some dudes in movies, cry because of sad drama and so on, most of the time, because they get you emotionally. But you still wouldn´t think, that you´re the dude in these films and so on

 

[tmining]

I don't kink shame people. I don't like NTR as much as i don't like durians or blood pudding. I don't make a fuss when i see them but i will not consume them.

That said. The difference between NTR and rape/blackmail is its focus on making you to self-insert into the cucked protagonist. Either by framing, storytelling, or zooming it tries to make you feel that unhealthy emotion.

 

[Deleted member 609064]

No, in proving a scientific hypothesis those numbers don't mean it's true, it means that in outlying cases there are anomalies. And don't for a second believe that you have some monopoly on knowing what people have gone through. I'm an old man and I worked in the medical field for 20 years. Ask yourself what I've seen.

One can see things, and not be able to understand or integrate them. Quantity isn't quality.

Truth is binary, not statistical. The media plays that game all of the time, "93% of the protests are peaceful". Yeah, and if I live a normal life every day until the day I decide to kill 30 people, one could say I am 99.99% peaceful.

Word games.

We've drifted far from the original topic into moralizing and casting moral judgment on people for their fantasies and fetishes on the internet. Which, quite frankly, is lame and never going to reach any sort of resolution given that values are subjective and individual.

 

[tanstaafl]

One can see things, and not be able to understand or integrate them. Quantity isn't quality.

Ah yes, here's the typical. "It doesn't matter what you've seen, you don't understand it because you aren't as insightful as I am" egotism. I fully expected it at some point. I'm glad you stuck to expectations, lol.

 

[greenlittleman]

@greenlittleman doubles down by saying everyone's a serial killer because they like video games AND that you can just rape any girl into liking you. I think he might need a bit of therapy.

You are at the level of flat-earther when it comes to being unable to understand or accept logic and arguments, this is all that I can say. I can only guess that your IQ is below 80, it is the only explanation. Maybe you are a creationist? Then it would make sense why you deny the facts I stated as they are based on biology.

 

[ChaosOpen]

You are at the level of flat-earther when it comes to being unable to understand logic and arguments, this is all that I can say. I can only guess that your IQ is below 80, it is the only explanation.

An ad hominem attack isn't going to convince anyone, part of making a convincing argument is phrasing it such that you get your point across; if he doesn't understand then you have failed somewhere.

That being said, in a debate you're not really trying to convince him, if you do then great, but what you're really going for are the people like me watching and reading to see who makes the most compelling argument; and to me, when one person starts insulting the other, it is a red flag that the person had become unable to defend his original point and has turned to petty insults.

Ah yes, here's the typical. "It doesn't matter what you've seen, you don't understand it because you aren't as insightful as I am" egotism. I fully expected it at some point. I'm glad you stuck to expectations, lol.

There are many psychological papers which observe how people will begin to first appease their tortures in an attempt to stop the pain will become more reinforced as time continues until it becomes an attachment to the torturer and a desire to please them. While the factors at play are for more complex, I hope you'll take my simplified expanation. However, it's one of the reasons that people stay for so long in abusive relationships. While it isn't technically possible to "rape a person until they like you," you can use a psychological coping mechanism to make her dependent on you. But if you stop exposing the woman to new and traumatizing situations where that conditioned response is necessary, then she will begin to recover and eventually snap out of it.

 

[tanstaafl]

There are many psychological papers which observe how people will begin to first appease their tortures in an attempt to stop the pain will become more reinforced as time continues until it becomes an attachment to the torturer and a desire to please them. While the factors at play are for more complex, I hope you'll take my simplified expanation. However, it's one of the reasons that people stay for so long in abusive relationships. While it isn't technically possible to "rape a person until they like you," you can use a psychological coping mechanism to make her dependent on you. But if you stop exposing the woman to new and traumatizing situations where that conditioned response is necessary, then she will begin to recover and eventually snap out of it.

What you are talking about is trauma induced coping mechanisms, and they are absolutely a thing. I've never denied that. But, as you said, they are not 'rape 'em till you break 'em' by any means. These things are beyond the scope of an instance of rape. It's basically brainwashing and it takes time to achieve.

 

[ChaosOpen]

What you are talking about is trauma induced coping mechanisms, and they are absolutely a thing. I've never denied that. But, as you said, they are not 'rape 'em till you break 'em' by any means. These things are beyond the scope of an instance of rape. It's basically brainwashing and it takes time to achieve.

True, which is why I said that "it isn't possible 'to rape a person until they like you' but you can use a psychological coping mechanism to make her dependent on you." Generally when you see this in action it is the person try to justify your actions rather than celebrating you; something akin to "he isn't so bad once you get to know him" or "he is just misunderstood."

 

[Fliptoynk]

True, which is why I said that "it isn't possible 'to rape a person until they like you' but you can use a psychological coping mechanism to make her dependent on you." Generally when you see this in action it is the person try to justify your actions rather than celebrating you; something akin to "he isn't so bad once you get to know him" or "he is just misunderstood."

riiiiight... especially true during stone age where courting a gal means clubbing her. later on she'll go "I hate y~oh! that's one huge mastodon you got there... you're not bad after all".

seriously, let's not fool ourselves and/or try silly psychological shitty ideas about rape. let the 90's xxx rape fiction be fiction

 

[215303j]

stone age where courting a gal means clubbing her.

Aha, the era which we live in is called "stone age". I was already wondering about that...
Unfortunately I'm not a great dancer, so not that much luck in clubs...

 

[Fliptoynk]

ooof! my bad
clobber - there...

 

[ChaosOpen]

riiiiight... especially true during stone age where courting a gal means clubbing her. later on she'll go "I hate y~oh! that's one huge mastodon you got there... you're not bad after all".

seriously, let's not fool ourselves and/or try silly psychological shitty ideas about rape. let the 90's xxx rape fiction be fiction

You took a thought experiment and managed to interpret it as some real life master plan?

 

[Guntag]

I voted "mixed emotions". I like it from the female point of view but not from the male point of view.

 

[Fliptoynk]

?... okay, well jah knows whatcha wanna do with

You took a thought experiment and managed to interpret it as some real life master plan?

?.. okay. well jah knows watcha wanna do with that idea of yours so I cant help but expect the worst so please mon, dun do it smh

 

[greenlittleman]

An ad hominem attack isn't going to convince anyone, part of making a convincing argument is phrasing it such that you get your point across; if he doesn't understand then you have failed somewhere.

If he doesn't understand then it means that we are on different levels of education. I can't see any reason to explain evolution to creationists or physics to kindergarteners.

That being said, in a debate you're not really trying to convince him, if you do then great, but what you're really going for are the people like me watching and reading to see who makes the most compelling argument; and to me, when one person starts insulting the other, it is a red flag that the person had become unable to defend his original point and has turned to petty insults.

I'm not sure in your ability to comprehend what you read as well, because this:

@greenlittleman doubles down by saying everyone's a serial killer because they like video games AND that you can just rape any girl into liking you. I think he might need a bit of therapy.

is not an argument, but a show of one's inability to understand what I said. There was no proper discussion and no arguments from his side, only an attempt to insult me, lol. There is no place for me to "defend my point" because there are no counter-arguments to anything I said. The things I pointed out aren't an opinion, I just stated facts. I don't need to defend facts, there is no point in the discussion to find out the truth because it is already found. This is why there weren't and couldn't be any proper "counter-arguments" from tanstaafl. It is closer to a lecture than to a discussion. I just explained how things work and as it seems both you and he were unable to understand me due to your lack of knowledge there is no real reason for me to explain everything in more detail. Comprende?

 

[tanstaafl]

is not an argument, but a show of one's inability to understand what I said. There was no proper discussion and no arguments from his side, only an attempt to insult me, lol. There is no place for me to "defend my point" because there are no counter-arguments to anything I said. The things I pointed out aren't an opinion, I just stated facts. I don't need to defend facts, there is no point in the discussion to find out the truth because it is already found. This is why there weren't and couldn't be any proper "counter-arguments" from tanstaafl. It is closer to a lecture than to a discussion. I just explained how things work and as it seems both you and he were unable to understand me due to your lack of knowledge there is no real reason for me to explain everything in more detail. Comprende?

You do realize you said the same thing twice, right? You seem rattled.

 

[Insanely43]

I'll add my 50 cents here cause why not?
I like NTR. I am a fan of it for a long time before it actually got popular. Which is why I have mixed feelings about it. The NTR I am still searching for is the old type of NTR, Netorare Type B and Netori. I really don't care about perspective that much, I, more or less read the story as a bystander rather than self insert MC. I was quite happy when NTR boomed to popularity, only to find cuckold content. Granted, I still enjoyed some of it but it really isn't Netorare in my opinion. NTR's popularity makes it so that finding the big one is pretty hard. Especially when a lot of NTR that actually fits my needs are depressing as fuck. I mean, sure I guess, but I didn't really want a serious drama plot in my "happy time".

In any case, I think most western games developers that don't put NTR content in their games is actually just what the fans that pays them money want anyways. You follow the money, even if it means sacrificing your vision of the game.