Views on Netorare

[K.T.L.]

I don't like it but that's just me. It's my opinion and if I see a game where it's a major factor then I'll simply avoid it. No point complaining about it. If I'm obviously not the target audience then I won't download it, simples.

TBH, I dislike conflict or coercion of any sort in these types of games or VN's. I'm just looking for a nice story where (almost) everyone gets along. Other people have their own (weird to me) preferences. It's good to have plenty of options

 

[Deleted member 2542640]

My problem with Netorare is when the good guy/husband/BF suffers unlike netorase. For me netorare is hot if there's only mentions of a bf/husband or maybe he doesn't know about the secret relationship his wife/gf is having.The kind of netorare I DO enjoy is when the girl's husband/bf is an asshole/abusive/neglecting her, those are the best kind of netorare since i consider it as justified.

 

[Deleted member 609064]

I don't like it but that's just me. It's my opinion and if I see a game where it's a major factor then I'll simply avoid it. No point complaining about it. If I'm obviously not the target audience then I won't download it, simples.

TBH, I dislike conflict or coercion of any sort in these types of games or VN's. I'm just looking for a nice story where (almost) everyone gets along. Other people have their own (weird to me) preferences. It's good to have plenty of options

You and I have different tastes but I very much appreciate the maturity of your position.

 

[MrFriendly]

I am not a fan of seeing other characters other than the main protagonist having sex unless the MC is there (and even then I want the MC to participate in the scene). I don't care if the love interests end up in healthy relationships with other people, I don't want to see the action. And that is mostly because I don't want the developer to waste their time and money rendering those scenes, I'd rather they focused on the main character and their story.

No I don't like NTR. I don't want to see the MC feeling humiliated and upset that their love interest was being fucked by another character. It could be a great plot device when written by a great writer but, not to offend a lot of developers, there are very few people who do it well. The few unavoidable NTR games that I've played have it that the women end up being raped or forced to have sex with disgusting older men because the male protagonist had a debt or failed to protect or, even, choose them.

I do think that a character cheating in the beginning of a game, as a reason for a break up, would work for me; a great example is the abandoned game Bad Teacher, a decent version of it would be the ongoing project Single Again - though I don't care for the multiple dream flashback implementation. In the former the player can choose whether the MC will bother to try to get her back or not, in the latter the it is the impetus that propels the beginning of the story.

Overall, NTR is something I avoid just like I avoid nonconsensual sex in games (Blackmail, Coercion, Groping, Mind Control, and Rape). It's not my fetish and I am not comfortable with games that include it.

 

[SAMASH112]

We're talking about VIDEOGAMES. You've to highlight it. There is nothing real here. There are players who get so into the game that they lose track of what fiction means. I don't share the fetishes or tastes of others users, but I respect them. "RESPECT". A word hard to understand for some. Of course, all games should have options to avoid or accept.

I hallucinate when the typical enlightened troll posts real examples. There is a serious problem of distorting the themes and the lack of toughness of the moderator makes haters take advantage of this weakness to intoxicate all threads with that kind of tags. The comments go from being of the game, to becoming a single discussion of fetishes.

Please guys, stop calling sharing cheating/cuck. I don't know which is worse, if reading misspellings or this bullshit.

 

[Onedge]

I like NTR as a concept in h games but I quite dislike multiple protag games. I understand they're trying to show the other person's perspective of the cheating, but I just can't find it appealing changing characters all the time.

 

[karlsberg]

Since I put that I have mixed feelings, I'll write the blogpost here.
I will use netorare and ntr as synonyms here for the most part, because I separate netori and netorase as somewhat different fetishes.

I like some netorare, I used to like a lot more, but during the last year I've been moving away from the fetish to the point where I sometimes return to some of my favorite works, but rarely try out new ones. The main reason for that is a combination of me getting rattled by a couple of works that I got too invested in and interacting with the fanbase enough to realize, that a significant portion of them are people I'd rather not be associated with.

On the whole, I think that NTR is rather twisted and one of the more unhealthy fetishes, which is fine in small doses and when you're a healthy, reasonably balanced person. As it stands now, I'm fine with netorare that is relatively light-hearted or comedic, or that tries to minimize the presence of the protagonist (hitherto known as the cuck, although sometimes he's not in a relationship, just someone in love with the girl), but I've come to despise netorare that is focusing on humiliation and suffering and takes pleasure in the whole process of turning the love interest away from the cuck. I have always preferred stories that have somewhat happy or at least bittersweet endings. While the love interest does have sex with someone else and the cuck suffers emotional turmoil, in the end the relationship is either salvaged or the cuck moves on to a happier place. That is the way how I can sympathize for the cuck and still enjoy the corruption/adultery of the love interest.

However plenty in the fanbase need that unhappy ending (not talking about short manga that only have the sex without any kind of resolution), and they're quite vocal about it, which makes me think that what they enjoy is not the taboo of the corruption/adultery itself as much as the suffering and humiliation that comes with it. There are plenty of sociopaths, women-hating incels, self-hating masochists and sadists in the fanbase. You get comments like "the cuck deserved it for being passive/a beta", ie., he needs to be punished for being insecure, not sexually aggressive enough or having some other personality flaws. You obviously get a lot of 'slut-shaming', despite the fact that, let's be honest, in most ntr women are written in a manner that enables the adultery without much thought given about depicting them as human beings with moral compass and agency. Some say they 'self-insert' into the ntr man, which I guess can happen, but then the thing is, in almost all netorare (not talking about netori or just plain cheating) the bull/chad is written as a psychopath or at the very least unpleasant and sexually predatory, so why would someone 'self-insert' as this character (maybe aside of as attempting a sort of cope). You will get plenty of 'it's just porn, lol', but many times when I have pushed the subject, turns out the person is just as fucked up as they seem at a glance.

All of which doesn't mean that there are not plenty of chill people among ntr fans or consumers that are self-aware or don't really put much thought in it.

So yeah, it all kind of turns me off to ntr now. I still like swapping and some netorase and netori though.

 

[Deleted member 609064]

I still like swapping and some netorase and netori though.

I've become bored with the brother/father/co-worker/neighbor/boss molest and seduces wife stuff. Some are excellent but it is too much geared towards humiliation and cuckolding, neither of which get me hard.

I have discovered that I really like swinging, again from the perspective of female emancipation and sexual awakening.

One of my favorite stories right now is Entanglement.

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[paust.alex]

Where is the option: "I fucking HATE NETORARE!!!! BURN, BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!!

 

[Signtist]

I like NTR, and I'm specifically a fan of the hardcore stuff where the guy doesn't deserve it, and the girl relishes in his dispair. I don't really consider it a negative view, though; I don't consider the guy to be deserving of the mistreatment of the abuse because he's a "beta" or anything, and I don't have any conscious thoughts of "all women are sluts." I don't imagine myself as the alpha or the beta in the scenario; basically I just think it's hot. I don't really know why. Like, when I see a picture of Emma Watson, I think she's hot. I can give it justification by saying she's pretty or she's wearing flattering clothing, but ultimately I don't know exactly why those specific things trigger the "ooh, nice" part of my brain. I just see a woman give her loving, caring boyfriend/husband/son/brother/whatever a look of utter contempt, and I am immediately turned on.

 

[karlsberg]

Like, when I see a picture of Emma Watson, I think she's hot. I can give it justification by saying she's pretty or she's wearing flattering clothing, but ultimately I don't know exactly why those specific things trigger the "ooh, nice" part of my brain.

Some combination of her physical features and imagined or real personality traits makes you want to have sex with her. That's simple. That and maybe you like loads of teenage boys had a crush on Hermione.

The issue is that ntr often depends on one party that is humanized within the story (that is they have a personality, a life story and wishes) to be put through a painful experience. And a person who likes ntr needs that part to get off. One could make an argument that it's about the girl, not him. And I would reply, that, no, it's about the girl (and/or the other guy) doing that to him, which makes it different from simple corruption.

It's all fictional! Sure, but by deciding to read a story we're making a commitment to suspend that reasoning for a while and buy into the make belief reality. So if in the middle of the story we go back to 'it's all fictional' I think it's just a reaction to something ridiculous or uncomfortable. Or the writer can't capture our attention anymore.

Tl;dr Imo, it's not that we can't possibly know where our kinks are coming from. But sometimes it's probably better not to think too much about it.

 

[Leafkiller]

It matters on the point of view.
Am I the one fucking the girl with the husband? Is he watching? Is he mad, happy or sad? Somewhere from a 6-10/10
Is the my wife fucking another guy? On Hell no!!!!! 0/10
Am I the wife fucking someone who isn't my husband? 3/10

 

[zliigg321]

i like netorare but don't get me wrong i love so much vanilla

sometime when i finish self inserted vn i want read that i was third person who watch every the stories without envolving me in that vn and netorare give me some sad vibe and make empath to protagonist and make me relize life is not always happy, life not always give what we want, people don't always happy its just we all don't know so from here i never jealous of other people who have a girlfriend and if i have girlfriend but don't like other people who like have great romance i just be greatful because we don't know what if in reality they have a bad romance for me netorare is like movie with bad ending.
but bad ending is not the end if we keep finding for happy ending
sorry for my bad english

 

[Carrera]

Go Go gadget NTR thread 98754638230284765856954 and why my point of view on the subject is more important than yours.

 

[Trapitalism101]

I don't like cruelty in my fap time. I love me some netorase, and especially if there is a light and happy tone to the relationship, but I don't like the humiliation/cruelty/despair of classic NTR. It strikes me as kinda misogynistic, as it usually has an undertone of "women are just a "better" cock away from leaving you. Because that is all women care about". I don't think liking NTR makes you a bad person, but I do hope you're doing okay/hopefully you like yourself <3.

 

[Deleted member 609064]

I don't like cruelty in my fap time. I love me some netorase, and especially if there is a light and happy tone to the relationship, but I don't like the humiliation/cruelty/despair of classic NTR. It strikes me as kinda misogynistic, as it usually has an undertone of "women are just a "better" cock away from leaving you. Because that is all women care about". I don't think liking NTR makes you a bad person, but I do hope you're doing okay/hopefully you like yourself <3.

I like to think of it as women are a "better man away from leaving you". It is called hypergamy. Better doesn't necessarily mean more money or bigger penis. It can be a man who understand women better. A man who is more confident. A man who is more ambitious. A man who does not apologize for his desires. A man with a mission. A man who is very courageous.

A lot of guys think that being a nice guy, being respectful, and being kind are all it takes to land a princess. That may be true sometimes but politicians, criminals and lawyers score a lot of women too, and they have a lot less going for them in the character and ethics departments.

If anything, a lot of NTR is misandrist. It's a commentary on men who don't get women's sexual nature, and live in a fantasy of being able to win women by being a White Knight. The Black Knight gets laid a lot and often. And White Knights, who are genuine good guys, don't understand this. Generally women are attracted to polarity. They want a guy who is masculine, honest, direct, unapologetic about his feelings and self-aware. They don't want a guy who bends over all of the time (where do you want to go? what movie do you want to see?) or obsesses about a woman (texting, calling, constantly). They want a guy with options, they want a guy who has other potential partners because that conveys that the guy is valuable in the eyes of other women, which is a mechanism (social proof) that women employ often. You're really, really hot when her circle of girlfriends think that you're hot.

Personally, I love women. I love when they are kind, I love when they are cruel. They are fascinating because they are so infinitely complex and mutable.

 

[Trapitalism101]

I like to think of it as women are a "better man away from leaving you". It is called hypergamy. Better doesn't necessarily mean more money or bigger penis. It can be a man who understand women better. A man who is more confident. A man who is more ambitious. A man who does not apologize for his desires. A man with a mission. A man who is very courageous.

A lot of guys think that being a nice guy, being respectful, and being kind are all it takes to land a princess. That may be true sometimes but politicians, criminals and lawyers score a lot of women too, and they have a lot less going for them in the character and ethics departments.

If anything, a lot of NTR is misandrist. It's a commentary on men who don't get women's sexual nature, and live in a fantasy of being able to win women by being a White Knight. The Black Knight gets laid a lot and often. And White Knights, who are genuine good guys, don't understand this. Generally women are attracted to polarity. They want a guy who is masculine, honest, direct, unapologetic about his feelings and self-aware. They don't want a guy who bends over all of the time (where do you want to go? what movie do you want to see?) or obsesses about a woman (texting, calling, constantly). They want a guy with options, they want a guy who has other potential partners because that conveys that the guy is valuable in the eyes of other women, which is a mechanism (social proof) that women employ often. You're really, really hot when her circle of girlfriends think that you're hot.

Personally, I love women. I love when they are kind, I love when they are cruel. They are fascinating because they are so infinitely complex and mutable.

I suppose in my eyes the "better man (or woman in some games)" is the thing that I see as the basis of the soggy knees rabbit hole. It boils women and their loyalty down to something akin to how some men look at cars. Upgrades and downgrades. It's the MGTOW talking point that women are predators out to dump you at the drop of a hat. It boils the relationship down to an object to be won or lost. Not something bound by love, understanding or need.

Let me pitch a thing to you off the top of my head. Lets say you play a game with a MC who gets cucked super hard, and his wife/gf gets pounded by Dr. Butt Stuffington. Lets say the relationship is stable in all other aspects, money is not an issue, and the MC and his gal get along outside of the fact <insert reason for fuckery>. After the game runs its course we get to the pinnacle where Butt Stuffington goes to take the Sig other away from the MC as usual, amid the usual humilating taunting. then we have a twist; Wife/gf says "why would I leave MC?". Boom! True Femdom at the last minute. The woman has never lost her agency, hasn't been manipulated, and we still touch all the humiliating inadequacies as the genera demands.

 

[desmosome]

I like to think of it as women are a "better man away from leaving you". It is called hypergamy. Better doesn't necessarily mean more money or bigger penis. It can be a man who understand women better. A man who is more confident. A man who is more ambitious. A man who does not apologize for his desires. A man with a mission. A man who is very courageous.

A lot of guys think that being a nice guy, being respectful, and being kind are all it takes to land a princess. That may be true sometimes but politicians, criminals and lawyers score a lot of women too, and they have a lot less going for them in the character and ethics departments.

If anything, a lot of NTR is misandrist. It's a commentary on men who don't get women's sexual nature, and live in a fantasy of being able to win women by being a White Knight. The Black Knight gets laid a lot and often. And White Knights, who are genuine good guys, don't understand this. Generally women are attracted to polarity. They want a guy who is masculine, honest, direct, unapologetic about his feelings and self-aware. They don't want a guy who bends over all of the time (where do you want to go? what movie do you want to see?) or obsesses about a woman (texting, calling, constantly). They want a guy with options, they want a guy who has other potential partners because that conveys that the guy is valuable in the eyes of other women, which is a mechanism (social proof) that women employ often. You're really, really hot when her circle of girlfriends think that you're hot.

Personally, I love women. I love when they are kind, I love when they are cruel. They are fascinating because they are so infinitely complex and mutable.

Sounds like some PUA shit lol.

It's not really about nice guys finishing last. It's "nice guys" finishing last. These are the people with low self esteem who are undesirable in every way. They blame the woman for their own failures. They expect romance/sex for being a good "friend."

Saying stuff like women are this and that kind of creature just makes it seem like we are studying some homogeneous wildlife. Women are all different, as are men. That said, what is very appealing to most women, and just people in general, is confidence. "Nice guys" lack this. Bad boys have this. That said, you can be confident and still treat the woman right. You don't have to win every small argument. You don't have to tries to assert dominance. You don't have to do any of these faux psychological bullshit.

Attractive qualities are not rocket science to figure out. Be good looking (grooming/style is like 90% of this), confident, don't be an asshole to others, be rich (lol), don't be retarded, be successful in some field, good sense of humor, etc.

Anyways why am I talking about this? NTR... right... Classic japanese style NTR is a fantasy and it is meant to be misogynistic. You think real people get raped into liking big cocks? You think the average woman can actually fall so low because of sexual training that she abandons her family and entire life to live as a cocksleeve?

The swinging/cheating/netorase/willing cuck type of stuff of course happens in real life, but the NTR where a woman is stolen due to a superior dick awakening the female instincts... not so much.

 

[greenlittleman]

I don't like cruelty in my fap time. I love me some netorase, and especially if there is a light and happy tone to the relationship, but I don't like the humiliation/cruelty/despair of classic NTR. It strikes me as kinda misogynistic, as it usually has an undertone of "women are just a "better" cock away from leaving you. Because that is all women care about". I don't think liking NTR makes you a bad person, but I do hope you're doing okay/hopefully you like yourself <3.

You need to learn what the word misogyny means. The view you described isn't misogynistic, it's cynic. It's the same as the view that "men are just one hot young woman away from leaving their old fat wife". Both views are true to an extent, as there ARE people like this (in fact it's probably the majority if they are given an option) and it's completely normal. If great sex is important to you in relationships then you have the right to leave your partner, though it would be irresponsible in many situations like if you have children. People cheat when they want both emotions from a skilled lover and the safety of a serious relationship. Just check divorce rates in most countries, NTR is one of the closest porn genres to reality. Humans are just not created by evolution to stay loyal for life. Monogamy is socially enforced, mostly by religion, as it's necessary to raise children properly. But it's not natural for us humans, our evolutionary sexual strategy is serial monogamy with elements of polygamy.

After the game runs its course we get to the pinnacle where Butt Stuffington goes to take the Sig other away from the MC as usual, amid the usual humilating taunting. then we have a twist; Wife/gf says "why would I leave MC?". Boom! True Femdom at the last minute. The woman has never lost her agency, hasn't been manipulated, and we still touch all the humiliating inadequacies as the genera demands.

It's less realistic than any crazy ntr plot I had ever seen, lol. You are a hardcore feminist, aren't you? One of the points of ntr is to see how a woman idealized by one guy and seen as perfect falls to nothing more than a sex-addicted whore. In other words, the situation where "one's man goddess is another man's cumbucket". And this contrast makes it hot. It's similar to non-ntr games where a priestess or a princess or a brave female knight become sluts. Because sluts are hotter than "self-respecting women with agency".

The swinging/cheating/netorase/willing cuck type of stuff of course happens in real life, but the NTR where a woman is stolen due to a superior dick awakening the female instincts... not so much.

IRL it's usually not about rape or "superior dick". But just about meeting a more physically attractive guy with some confidence and often, indeed, better skill in sex. IRL having a big dick doesn't mean that much if you can't last or do good oral, but for some women, the size is indeed important. People cheat all the time, people change partners all the time. Most guys were NTRed at least once in their life and I'm not talking about being cheated on, because if your high school crush started to fuck someone else, it counts as NTR as well. If your GF broke up with you to get with another guy (this is the case in 90% of cases) it counts as NTR even if she hadn't cheated while dating. This is why so many people hate NTR by default - they experienced it and didn't like it. They associate porn with their real-life problems.

 

[Trapitalism101]

You need to learn what the word misogyny means. The view you described isn't misogynistic, it's cynic. It's the same as the view that "men are just one hot young woman away from leaving their old fat wife". Both views are true to an extent, as there ARE people like this (in fact it's probably the majority if they are given an option) and it's completely normal. If great sex is important to you in relationships then you have the right to leave your partner, though it would be irresponsible in many situations like if you have children. People cheat when they want both emotions from a skilled lover and the safety of a serious relationship. Just check divorce rates in most countries, NTR is one of the closest porn genres to reality. Humans are just not created by evolution to stay loyal for life. Monogamy is socially enforced, mostly by religion, as it's necessary to raise children properly. But it's not natural for us humans, our evolutionary sexual strategy is serial monogamy with elements of polygamy.

I politely disagree. I agree with desmosome, and his take on the subject. I do not think we will come to a productive conclusion on this subject.