Rory Smith

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Man, this game was awesome as a VN and then the Dev slams the brakes on and drops a sandbox. I go from digging into every line of tex totally immersed in the action to boom, staring at a fucking screen and watching numbers SLOOOOOWLY tick by. I even fell asleep for an hour while this was going on. Way to muck up a great VN. If I wanted to play a city management SIM I'd go play CIV or something like it. I'm gonna hold out hope that it will improve even with the sandbox, but I'm super sceptical and disappointed at the moment.
that problem can be solved by adding a proper quest log. Sandbox or not, production takes time
i think u should play "vae victis & lord king"
 
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Honest opinion, The sandbox portion could and should have been made to stand alone (deeper immersion, alternate story arcs, whatever) vs dropping it into the VN at this point.
My biggest concern is not even how it breaks up the story (which it does even if temporary), but what happens when saves don't work? (We have all seen it at least once)
Starting a VN over from the beginning because of coding, rewrite, etc. is one thing. Depending on the time between updates, I usually go back at least a few "chapters" and reread anyway ... but grinding through several hours of strategy/ resource management just to get to the next chapter ......... Nah, I'm good.
If it had started as sandbox my opinion may have been different but .....
 
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Rory Smith

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Honest opinion, The sandbox portion could and should have been made to stand alone (deeper immersion, alternate story arcs, whatever) vs dropping it into the VN at this point.
My biggest concern is not even how it breaks up the story (which it does even if temporary), but what happens when saves don't work? (We have all seen it at least once)
Starting a VN over from the beginning because of coding, rewrite, etc. is one thing. Depending on the time between updates, I usually go back at least a few "chapters" and reread anyway ... but grinding through several hours of strategy/ resource management just to get to the next chapter ......... Nah, I'm good.
If it had started as sandbox my opinion may have been different but .....
Sandbox with quest log is a better combination than ...... VN's where mc's hands and legs are restrained. Sandbox or not production need time
 
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Rory Smith

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Another thing Ima add is that we for sure need day to week skips cuz this is way to slow like I'm pretty sure there might be time events like a sudden love interest or and enemy invasion so I can see how it's a little more work but it'll for sure make this game more playable
Increasing timer speed not enough ??
 

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Sandbox with quest log is a better combination than ...... VN's where mc's hands and legs are restrained. Sandbox or not production need time
Why are you spamming this comment over and over? Just point to your post and be done with it. Don't reply to others saying the same thing.
EDIT: OR, DON'T. You aren't the Dev.
 

NyVar

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im confused with the currency system :unsure: 1000 coins to upgrade from copper to gold, sure.
but 10000 coins to upgrade w/e. is that supposed to be copper? in that case, why not just have 1 currency, or specify what kind of coin?
Also, it seems the castle upkeep is not correct. i gain money 2 weeks, and lose money 2 weeks also. and is not at all in line with the economics tab :unsure: what am i missing?
 

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I don't get where all this complaining is coming from, ya it's switched to a sandbox and most of the times those games are boring as hell, but we knew this was coming, the Dev warned us all, I just wish the time could tick by faster. The dev created a great story and I think he wants us to experience managing/stabilizing the kingdom while building our harem/focusing on a particular LI? I just hope once we do stabilize everything the micro-running of the country will be phased out for more VN type stuff, I personally won't mind if we are allowed to decide who to attack/conquer from now on and if there will be something like turn based battles, but mainly I'd prefer tons of story with all the girls between fights rather than staring at the screen waiting for time to tick by and money to accumulate. Just really hope in the future as well we can destroy the boyars and maybe assign loyal character some some castles/fiefs in our country (rather than just controlling the city) so they can add more to the army/country coffers.
 

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im confused with the currency system :unsure: 1000 coins to upgrade from copper to gold, sure.
but 10000 coins to upgrade w/e. is that supposed to be copper? in that case, why not just have 1 currency, or specify what kind of coin?
Also, it seems the castle upkeep is not correct. i gain money 2 weeks, and lose money 2 weeks also. and is not at all in line with the economics tab :unsure: what am i missing?
The currencies are bronze coins, silver coins, and gold coins. The logic is that when you have 1000 bronze coin, they will automatically change into 1 silver coin. When you have 1000 silver coins, those will automatically change into 1 gold coin. What you highlighted, may be an issue. I will check it out. Related to the costs, check if you have activated any edicts that require payment, or if you have units active.
 
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The currencies are bronze coins, silver coins, and gold coins. The logic is that when you have 1000 bronze coin, they will automatically change into 1 silver coin. When you have 1000 silver coins, those will automatically change into 1 gold coin. What you highlighted, may be an issue. I will check it out. Related to the costs, check if you have activated any edicts that require payment, or if you have units active.
Thanks! :) Yeah, i understand that is how it works. I just need to get used to adding it up to gold :p
At one point i had 900gold coins with only 750 copper coins in estate tax. And at the start of the next week i had 450gold left.
I have no other edicts than "Ways of Life" and city expansion. May be something to look into :)
 

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Thanks! :) Yeah, i understand that is how it works. I just need to get used to adding it up to gold :p
At one point i had 900gold coins with only 750 copper coins in estate tax. And at the start of the next week i had 450gold left.
I have no other edicts than "Ways of Life" and city expansion. May be something to look into :)
You has opportunity for pillage monthly and recruit soldier -no used now
 

Thumper27

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Sandbox with quest log is a better combination than ...... VN's where mc's hands and legs are restrained. Sandbox or not production need time
Ya' know , normally I don't feed the trolls no matter how hangry ..... but saying it over and over and over (and over) again doesn't make it true.
 

NyVar

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For what i'd thought to be a pretty mature forum, f95 sure has a lot of bickering.
I mean, if one is to have a slight opinion to how a game is developed, one would have to atleast be a patron and not some rano on a pirate site :)

Majority of what i've experienced on alot of threads here are on a kindergarden level, or an American level.
 

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One more thing, the name of the follower of Lilith was changed from Darya to Ava during the 3 way scene with the M/C and Morrigan. It was confusing since the original Ava was the M/C's trainer until Morrigan took action.
Okay so I wasn't going slightly mad. That change threw me off in particular because Ava was gotten rid of in my playthrough.

I'll also be joining the chorus is expressing my disdain, dislike, and disgust with the sandbox shift. I see it doing more harm than good in both the short and long term.

I wish we were given more information on the old world considering we've sent Morgana off to recruit them...more information on why it is such an awful place and why folks would be willing to risk death in a war that isn't their own to leave it.

Edit: "Battling Ram" :FacePalm:
 
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