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sdna1

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Do what exactly? Am I reading this wrong or are you throwing me under the bus? What's wrong with my mods? I think they contend for (subjectively) the best on the sight if I'm being perfectly honest and always respect the aesthetic and quality of the developer at a minimum, but actually much higher most of the time. I've even gone so far as to completely overhaul a VN's GUI if it's below par. 8,000+ lines of solid Python code is no small feat. If I'm taking you the wrong way then my apologies cause I'm not sure what you're getting at.
i am sure that he did not think any wrong to u.... this game would need gently "touch" of talented mod if it would not be destroyed by NTR already..

i think that he tought that this game need cooperated with moder ( to know code) to do walkthrow and i patches...
 

WuzzyFuzzy

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A couple of things...

The 1.5 fix is for the 'original version' only...the one with sandbox implemented?
The VN version is a start-over-from-the-beginning option?

In regard to an earlier post about sandbox and laziness. I don't mind playing sandbox at all, but the problem is 90% of all programmers who try to implement one fail the task. I'll define 'fail' as not being able to progress the story chronologically and coherently. For example, in Box A, X happens. Box A changes (ie, the story progresses chronologically) but boxes B and C do not. So when I visit the latter two, the characters in those situations act as if Box A never progressed. The only way to make the story flow is to update all the boxes, but for whatever reason, devs find that hard to do. They typically think repeating a scene 10 times adds content to their game, when all it really does is waste time and break immersion. So we have to play box B 10 times, then C ten times...ad nauseum. Hopefully, this game will be in the 10% who do it correctly.
 

Sancho1969

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Sorry for the delay folks, I keep getting company stopping by lately (holidays are approaching). I'm not about to tell folks to leave 'cause I have to finish coding mods for porn games.... "Sorry Auntie, you gotta get the F out of here, I've got porn to code!" :p

Anyway, making progress on the SanchoGallery portion. I reckon once I get most of the scenes in then I call it good to go for now so I can push it out to y'all. Thanks again for your patience, I know waiting sucks but remember I've slept little over the past 36 hours or so to port this over for y'all. If I end up missing a scene or two don't freak out...we'll get it all sorted in time. Regards.
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Teaser of rough draft, subject to change​
 

Drafox

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Optional NTR done right:

- Individual X is in trouble
- MC knows about it and decides to take his time to rescue individual X instead of immediatly helping them
--> As a result to that; when MC arrives to the scene: X has already been ravaged.
But if MC decides to take action immediatly this event is avoided

Another good Optional NTR example that doesn't involve sexual violence:

- Individual X confesses to MC or asks him to do something very important for them
- MC acts like a total douchebag or outright rejects X's feelings and requests
--> X looks for love or sex somewhere else and eventually MC stumbles upon them getting hammered by someone else.
But if MC ever shows interest in said character, the NTR never occurs.
(Though in real life it may occur despite that but this is fantasy gaming and leaving NTR to variables and algorithms is just depressing)


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Optional NTR done wrong:

- MC is headed towards individual X's bedroom to dicuss something important when suddenly his ears capture some loud moans
- Game offers you two options: Find out what's happening --> NTR scene
or IGNORE it and leave --> No harm done, right? GOOD BOY!
 

lTTMl

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Now, I want to take the bull on its horns because I saw that there were many that commented about this and because I received more facepalms on my post related to this subject than I received during exams, I will talk about optional NTR.

First of all, it is optional. It won't be with all the characters but with a few.
Why did I go on this path!? First of all, is about giving life to the world, without falling into a kinetic way of seeing things.
In the optional NTR we can talk about someone that is being led on this path by the mc or a side character that has this desire from the start. The world is a big place.
I am trying to bring life to characters through diversifying and somehow creating a hint of free will.
Somehow it would be strange, that in a world where people are massacred, gods interfere with the mortal world and some people are on 'Alabama mode', the limit would be set on optional sharing/cheating. As if in the world I am trying to create, warlords stand aside and say 'Today we kill women and children but gods forbid if I will cheat on my wife.'
Leaving jokes aside, I think we should enjoy the freedom of choice and start creating our own world as we see fit. Not inherit it.
I completely agree with what you say, but even if you mark these events as "Exeptionel" or "Avoidable" there are some who do not agree, even if you do it all out of passion to make the game original, striking, alive, realistic... it's not good... Why? Well, you have to understand, mixing nasty things that are realistic in a game, it's reeaally bad.

Mad King, you have to redo Vis in another "landlady" or in the 9999th harem where everyone fucks for no reason, it's... very original..
 
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evyleu

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I completely agree with what you say, but even if you mark these events as "Exeptionel" or "Avoidable" there are some who do not agree, even if you do it all out of passion to make the game original, striking, alive, realistic... it's not good... Why? Well, you have to understand, mixing nasty things that are realistic in a game, it's reeaally bad.

Mad King, you have to redo Vis in another "landlady" or in the 9999th harem where everyone fucks for no reason, it's... very original..
Original and *** are opposites, almost all games of this type are copies, especially the "female protagonist"
 
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Sennistrasz

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This- Every great sandbox game involves an in depth quest log-
There's a game in here called Timestamps that's sandbox- it has a great questlog that points you in the direction where you need to go to progress
I'm not saying make Timestamps-Vis edition- just pointing out how quest logs make or break a sandbox.

And at least he didn't go and suddenly make this a Rpgm game lolol

though he's lucky I enjoy this story the 1.5 VN makes you redo the entire game- all my previous saves have errors
Additionally, sandbox games still need some form of linear story to it, where some things should be blocked from happening unless something else happens, or different versions of scenes would be needed, e.g. meeting a new character who knows another character, or a reaction to something that will happen. However, many games choose to sidestep that problem by having just standalone content, and that's where sandbox games become not very good.
 
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