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Ren'Py Abandoned Vis [v2.0] [Mad King Games]

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Karl Speidel

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Gunizz said:
I agree and I understand that for most developers a VN is just a side project, but they have too high expectations if they think a non finished product will pay for itself during development. That rarely happens. A completed product could sell well on Steam or other platforms, that is the goal they should have. Also, new developers do not attract a lot of paying supporters. A developer that has got only an abandoned project on his CV is even less attractive.
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Many of them might not even want to finish it (see ToT and KoD) and just milk the fans forever with minimal work,a completed product takes effort which they dont have in them or just no vision,I blame above all the fanbase not the devs as much or more,they pay and allow things to be this way by lowering the bar to a gaping pit of frustration,devs on this site will never use this as reference in their CV unless its a finished and proper game,many who milk their fans or outright run with the money delete everything,another reason to not have games be payed for before 100% finished.

Also any gofundme or patreon should require the ID and other data from the dev,if he doesnt comply with his promises then he can be sued by his fans who payed for him or who steals and runs. Right now any scumbag can just get the money and evaporate.I cant believe any morons agree with this,anyone getting money should be registred and located for any eventuallity.
 
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Karl Speidel said:
Many of them might not even want to finish it (see ToT and KoD) and just milk the fans forever with minimal work,a completed product takes effort which they dont have in them or just no vision,I blame above all the fanbase not the devs as much or more,they pay and allow things to be this way by lowering the bar to a gaping pit of frustration,devs on this site will never use this as reference in their CV unless its a finished and proper game,many who milk their fans or outright run with the money delete everything,another reason to not have games be payed for before 100% finished.

Also any gofundme or patreon should require the ID and other data from the dev,if he doesnt comply with his promises then he can be sued by his fans who payed for him or who steals and runs. Right now any scumbag can just get the money and evaporate.I cant believe any morons agree with this,anyone getting money should be registred and located for any eventuallity.
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I honestly don't really think it's serious enough and that it's really the fans responsibility to decide whether they want to keep supporting them or not regardless of how frequent or infrequent the updates are. Sueing them is pointless because the point of patreon is that it's a tip jar. I really do think some of you guys go overboard over this whole milking thing. Most of the timme I see people whinning about milking anytime an update takes awhile
 
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Karl Speidel

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I honestly don't really think it's serious enough and that it's really the fans responsibility to decide whether they want to keep supporting them or not regardless of how frequent or infrequent the updates are. Sueing them is pointless because the point of patreon is that it's a tip jar. I really do think some of you guys go overboard over this whole milking thing. Most of the timme I see people whinning about milking anytime an update takes awhile
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Stealing money is always serious,you cant say that and not be lying or delusional,its always the fault of those who make the demand not those who supply them,the fans are to blame,if you cant see the bigger picture then dont talk,sueing them IS NOT pointless cause they need to answer for any kind of fraud,its not a tip jar,what are you smoking? Those are not donations but subscriptions for updates,content and above all for the completion of games,its a kickstarter,they get money for the games,its no donation,even if so this system can be easily abused and IS abused. Milking is very real,if you rather put your head in the sand and keep spending like a good sheep then dont blame us for not wanting that,this goes beyond just one update,again no awareness for the bigger picture.2 years is overboard for you sheep?
 
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Karl Speidel said:
Stealing money is always serious...
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And does he steal your money?:unsure:
As a patreon you give your money willingly to the artist, so what does he steal?:oops::unsure:
Your money, the money your give him own your own free will? The money that every patreon could, if he wish to, stop giving him?:rolleyes:

Yet, you are on a site whose pirating games and at the end "steals" money from the dev. So, can you come down from your high horse and don't use double standards?

Also their is something called police. Last time I looked up, theft is in their scope of duties. So, what is your problem here? If the case is so clear, then go to the police, they will go on and get in contact with whatever site he used and get money from those site, they will follow this money.
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...you cant say that and not be lying or delusional,its always the fault of those who make the demand not those who supply them,the fans are to blame,if you cant see the bigger picture then dont talk,sueing them IS NOT pointless cause they need to answer for any kind of fraud,its not a tip jar,what are you smoking? Those are not donations but subscriptions for updates,content and above all for the completion of games,its a kickstarter,they get money for the games,its no donation,even if so this system can be easily abused and IS abused. Milking is very real,if you rather put your hand in the sand and keep spending like a good sheep then dont blame us for not wanting that,this goes beyond just one update,again no awareness for the bigger picture.2 years is overboard for you sheep?
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And then a word jabbering mixing even more words with different meanings together and then at last insult.
So, what have he done to you?
"Stolen" your money through Patreon? The almost 22 months of your patronage? Most, if we go with 50$/month, that would end up with 1100 $, if we use the average, it is only 100 $.
So, I dare you, I double dare you, show me your "stolen" money from him and I will give it to you.
 
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Karl Speidel said:
Stealing money is always serious,you cant say that and not be lying or delusional,its always the fault of those who make the demand not those who supply them,the fans are to blame,if you cant see the bigger picture then dont talk,sueing them IS NOT pointless cause they need to answer for any kind of fraud,its not a tip jar,what are you smoking? Those are not donations but subscriptions for updates,content and above all for the completion of games,its a kickstarter,they get money for the games,its no donation,even if so this system can be easily abused and IS abused. Milking is very real,if you rather put your hand in the sand and keep spending like a good sheep then dont blame us for not wanting that,this goes beyond just one update,again no awareness for the bigger picture.2 years is overboard for you sheep?
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It would actually cost more money to sue them that what you've probably given them. Patreon is a tip jar. It's not really a store where you're expected to receive certain goods based on the money you receive. It's more like you like what the person is doing so you give them money in hopes that they keep doing it. It's your responsibility to decide whether it's worth it to continue to support them. The idea is that if people unsubscribe to patreon that might motivate the developer to change. But it's not stealing just because a project isn't developing like you hoped or got abandoned.
 
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Karl Speidel said:
its not a tip jar,what are you smoking? Those are not donations but subscriptions for updates,content and above all for the completion of games,its a kickstarter,they get money for the games,its no donation
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Let me stop you right there because at least for Patreon you don't need to smoke anything. Unless explicitely promised otherwise by a creator, Patreon indeed is a tip jar in a way, not directly connected to any tangible results (even though without any results people would of course unsubscribe in droves), it is not connected to any completion of a project - many of the projects on there don't even have anything you could call completeable. It is precisely a donation that fans give creators so that they can continue their work without having to worry about sales or catering to algorithms or similar. It is completely different from Kickstarter in that regard.
 
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Karl Speidel said:
Stealing money is always serious,you cant say that and not be lying or delusional,its always the fault of those who make the demand not those who supply them,the fans are to blame,if you cant see the bigger picture then dont talk,sueing them IS NOT pointless cause they need to answer for any kind of fraud,its not a tip jar,what are you smoking? Those are not donations but subscriptions for updates,content and above all for the completion of games,its a kickstarter,they get money for the games,its no donation,even if so this system can be easily abused and IS abused. Milking is very real,if you rather put your hand in the sand and keep spending like a good sheep then dont blame us for not wanting that,this goes beyond just one update,again no awareness for the bigger picture.2 years is overboard for you sheep?
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lol you seriously need to learn (or re-learn) what is Patreon and how it works.

This is literally the first thing which pops up when it's searched in google:

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So it's not like a contract where if he doesn't deliver the update dev has a legal obligation to deliver.
Onus is entirely on the Patron to whether support (or continue to support. They may decide to stop supporting the dev and decide to support another dev who they think is more worth supporting) the said dev or not.
 
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TrenciJack said:
Shit, man. This was one of the good ones. All three games I remembered and checked are abandoned. WTF?!
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I feel you dude :(, many incredible games that I've bookmarked also have been abandoned, and the infuriating thing is the good ones are being abandoned while mediocre games are being continued, like, WTF!!!, ideally it should be the complete opposite but I don't even know why its the opposite of that in reality.
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It’s just a shame we never got to fuck Morrigan.
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yes I've been looking forward to it a lot but what a letdown :(
 
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AwsHen said:
I feel you dude :(, many incredible games that I've bookmarked also have been abandoned, and the infuriating thing is the good ones are being abandoned while mediocre games are being continued, like, WTF!!!, ideally it should be the complete opposite but I don't even know why its the opposite of that in reality.

yes I've been looking forward to it a lot but what a letdown :(
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It kind of goes back to the old cliché about sex selling. But when you're comparing games or AVNs with sex to others that also have sex, the more accurate thing to say would probably be that mediocrity sells. There are some really great games / AVNs that also do very well. But those aren't the lion's share of what succeeds, sadly.

If you pay attention as you go around the site, you'll see a lot of posts whining that there's not sex in the first release of a game — the first release, like buildup, story building, and character establishment aren't important. "Just get to the sex already!" As often as you see that is an indication of where culture unfortunately is: consume and move on, consume and move on. Few folks appreciate good storytelling, realistic development of relationships between characters, and having a payoff. The outcome is that developers who otherwise might keep working hard on their projects become disheartened, or even forced out by reality.
 
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AwsHen said:
I feel you dude :(, many incredible games that I've bookmarked also have been abandoned, and the infuriating thing is the good ones are being abandoned while mediocre games are being continued, like, WTF!!!, ideally it should be the complete opposite but I don't even know why its the opposite of that in reality.

yes I've been looking forward to it a lot but what a letdown :(
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Many western eroge devs are simply too lazy to finish their games, while others just see it as an easy and quick bucks, and ditch when they realize it's not. This is why I mainly play Japanese eroge, even the shittiest ones are still at least finished.
 
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Eliza12 said:
Many western eroge devs are simply too lazy to finish their games, while others just see it as an easy and quick bucks, and ditch when they realize it's not. This is why I mainly play Japanese eroge, even the shittiest ones are still at least finished.
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It's not laziness so much as most western devs have no idea what they're doing. The majority of western games on this site come from first time devs with no coding experience or writing experience and often underestimate the amount of work involved in making these games. Most also have a real job on top of developing the games since It's usually either a quick cash grab that gets abandoned after 2 or 3 updates because they realize the amount of work that goes into these games isn't worth the little bit of pay you'd get from patreon/subscrubestar , or it's just a passion project that the dev started on the side without much planning and that keeps going until one of 3 things happens. The dev keeps working on the game until they get burnout and loose interest in the project and abandon it, 2 they have no idea where they are going with the story and just keep adding update after update like it's a sitcom until they get tired of it and make a rushed update that ends kind of abruptly, or 3 they don't have time to work on the game and do real life stuff like they're actual job since only like 5% of western devs make enough doing this to work on it full time


The first one is pretty much what happened here. The dev expressed several times that the felt burn out and lost his passion for the project and started High way to hell because of that, then quit once he noticed he was losing subscribers.
 
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