Ren'Py Abandoned Vis [v2.0] [Mad King Games]

[Ebonheart (FR)]

Sometimes I come back here and cast an emotional glance at this grave, and say to myself : it was nice all the same, too bad he left too soon. I think this AVN had a real charm and great potential, but it's a shame that the dev crashed all his projects.

Didn't he launch a new AVN fairly recently ? I thought I'd seen him on another game. I remember the dev stood up to someone on that other game thread and said he was 100% going to finish this new game and that VIS was definitely not abandoned in the long run, whether he was sincere or not at the time is a bit ironic. And I saw that he almost deleted all his accounts.
So I guess he's either gone or for good, or he's decided to change his identity on the net and publish other games under a different pseudonym.

-CookieMonster666- Don't forget, if you'd like, applications for the site moderator job are open You already seem to be doing that job here on this thread, so I suggest you apply. ^^

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Sometimes I come back here and cast an emotional glance at this grave, and say to myself : it was nice all the same, too bad he left too soon. I think this AVN had a real charm and great potential, but it's a shame that the dev crashed all his projects.

Didn't he launch a new AVN fairly recently ? I thought I'd seen him on another game. I remember the dev stood up to someone on that other game thread and said he was 100% going to finish this new game and that VIS was definitely not abandoned in the long run, whether he was sincere or not at the time is a bit ironic. And I saw that he almost deleted all his accounts.
So I guess he's either gone or for good, or he's decided to change his identity on the net and publish other games under a different pseudonym.

-CookieMonster666- Don't forget, if you'd like, applications for the site moderator job are open You already seem to be doing that job here on this thread, so I suggest you apply. ^^

I'm not trying to be a moderator and don't even remotely want to become one. It's shocking how many people aren't even aware this is in the site rules. I'm only trying to inform people so they will know. I've seen posts on several threads get deleted for violating that rule, and I've heard of (but cannot confirm) there have been warnings issued to some folks, too. I assume everyone in these threads wants to keep using the site and avoid issues.

I do find it hilarious how many people actually get upset that I'm trying to help them out. "Don't you dare tell us that someone could report our post and get us in trouble!" A good deed never goes unpunished, apparently. I couldn't actually give a rat's ass if someone gives an angry reaction to my post, though. If you get upset that someone offers advice, that sounds like a you problem.

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[Ebonheart (FR)]

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I'm not trying to be a moderator and don't even remotely want to become one. It's shocking how many people aren't even aware this is in the site rules. I'm only trying to inform people so they will know. I've seen posts on several threads get deleted for violating that rule, and I've heard of (but cannot confirm) there have been warnings issued to some folks, too. I assume everyone in these threads wants to keep using the site and avoid issues.

I do find it hilarious how many people actually get upset that I'm trying to help them out. "Don't you dare tell us that someone could report our post and get us in trouble!" A good deed never goes unpunished, apparently. I couldn't actually give a rat's ass if someone gives an angry reaction to my post, though. If you get upset that someone offers advice, that sounds like a you problem.

I was only joking because what you were doing might seem like a moderator's job. If you want to be helpful like you already are, and that's appreciated, you might consider applying to become a moderator. I'm not forcing you to do so. Excuse me if you seem to take this as a serious offense, that wasn't the point by the way ! x) I thought I'd make an innocent little tease and suggestion as a joke. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less. I had no intention of being particularly nasty or offensive, it was just something light-hearted said in a joking tone and a reminder at the same time that for those who want to, and make themselves useful in their own way, applications for moderators are open. Life doesn't always have to be serious; we all deserve to take a break and enjoy some fun.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

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I was only joking because what you were doing might seem like a moderator's job. If you want to be helpful like you already are, and that's appreciated, you might consider applying to become a moderator. I'm not forcing you to do so. Excuse me if you seem to take this as a serious offense, that wasn't the point by the way ! x) I thought I'd make an innocent little tease and suggestion as a joke. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less. I had no intention of being particularly nasty or offensive, it was just something light-hearted said in a joking tone and a reminder at the same time that for those who want to, and make themselves useful in their own way, applications for moderators are open. Life doesn't always have to be serious; we all deserve to take a break and enjoy some fun.

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Oh, I wasn't upset. I was just explaining that I'm not trying to moderate anything. Since some folks don't know, I thought I would educate. If folks have a problem with that, they can't say nobody told them when they get a post taken down.

 

[JJJ84]

I do find it hilarious how many people actually get upset that I'm trying to help them out. "Don't you dare tell us that someone could report our post and get us in trouble!" A good deed never goes unpunished, apparently. I couldn't actually give a rat's ass if someone gives an angry reaction to my post, though. If you get upset that someone offers advice, that sounds like a you problem.

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Honestly, even when I was starting out on this site (which is years ago now lol), I don't remember myself reacting in such a way when someone informed me of such stuff esp. if it's got to do with the rules.

I think similar reactions I may get when the tired old question gets asked "Where is the dev post" in the thread?
Instead of just giving them the answer, I try to inform them to use the search function.

But at times, some reply saying "I just want the answer (i.e. gimme the dev post link now, instead of making me do a bit of search)"

Response you got, I think is what resulted from the same mindset.
The "I wanna be spoon-fed" mentality.

 

[egy man]

Its so sad to see it now

 

[riasgremoryloveher]

someone please make some shit where you can rule kingdoms and do character devlopments through system

 

[JJJ84]

someone please make some shit where you can rule kingdoms and do character devlopments through system

Spoiler: Dude, it's abandoned

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And if you're asking for similar games to this, well this thread isn't really the place to ask, you should be asking it at the main forum, in "Recommendations & Identifications" under General Discussions.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

So my post, trying to steer back on to topic, was deleted? OK. Anyway...

Does anyone remember why Mad King Games decided to shift over to the sandbox / management gaming style? I mean, you already had a fairly hefty prologue and/or first chapter, totally AVN-style, and progressing through the story nicely. Then, out of nowhere, he says to himself, "I bet I could kill my game by shifting to a totally different playstyle!" Really, one of the worst decisions I've seen a developer make in a long time. Might as well have started with an action roleplaying game and then switch to a text-based choose-your-own adventure or something.

 

[Alex20232077]

People! The game of Vis can still be continued! The Mad King is working on it right now!

 

[storm1051787]

People! The game of Vis can still be continued! The Mad King is working on it right now!

Is this "The Mad King" in the room with us?

 

[storm1051787]

So my post, trying to steer back on to topic, was deleted? OK. Anyway...

Does anyone remember why Mad King Games decided to shift over to the sandbox / management gaming style? I mean, you already had a fairly hefty prologue and/or first chapter, totally AVN-style, and progressing through the story nicely. Then, out of nowhere, he says to himself, "I bet I could kill my game by shifting to a totally different playstyle!" Really, one of the worst decisions I've seen a developer make in a long time. Might as well have started with an action roleplaying game and then switch to a text-based choose-your-own adventure or something.

Personally, I assume that they likely wanted to do sandbox from the start. They mentioned multiple times that they had wanted this game to be an actual rpg with sex so it seemed like a good idea to do sandbox. This was also their first game I think so It was probably easier starting with the vn. Imo if I was them I would have tried to see about making an rpgm game at the start because based on their comments that seemed more inline with what they wanted to do.

 

[Alex20232077]

Это «Безумный король» с нами в комнате?

Расслабиться, мужик, я не Безумный Король. Но у меня есть хорошие новости для всех нас. В своем аккаунте Daviantart Безумный Король разместил пост, в котором объявил, что продолжает работать над игрой VIS.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Personally, I assume that they likely wanted to do sandbox from the start. They mentioned multiple times that they had wanted this game to be an actual rpg with sex so it seemed like a good idea to do sandbox. This was also their first game I think so It was probably easier starting with the vn. Imo if I was them I would have tried to see about making an rpgm game at the start because based on their comments that seemed more inline with what they wanted to do.

Ah, I hadn't remembered that. Thanks for the reminder. I absolutely think they should've taken the style they wanted originally, then, and stuck with that. agree.

I have absolutely 0 problems playing sandbox games; I have at least a dozen or more adult sandboxes I play, so I definitely would have been on board still with this. The only actual complaint I have is the huge shift over from one format to another, and the only real reason for the complaint is that the dev shot himself in the foot in doing so. The primary problem is that some folks totally hate sandboxes, and (though a lot smaller in number) some others actually dislike VNs and prefer sandboxes. You kill off your brand's growth and the story's supporters by jumping playstyles. Too bad, really. I quite enjoyed this and would still have done so regardless of format.

 

[Maviarab]

Relax man, I'm not the Mad King. But I have good news for all of us. On his Daviant.art account, the Mad King posted, in which he announced that he was continuing to work on the game VIS. View attachment 4590544

Yeah...will believe that when I see it. And we won't see it.

 

[JJJ84]

Does anyone remember why Mad King Games decided to shift over to the sandbox / management gaming style? I mean, you already had a fairly hefty prologue and/or first chapter, totally AVN-style, and progressing through the story nicely. Then, out of nowhere, he says to himself, "I bet I could kill my game by shifting to a totally different playstyle!" Really, one of the worst decisions I've seen a developer make in a long time. Might as well have started with an action roleplaying game and then switch to a text-based choose-your-own adventure or something.

No idea.
And honestly, I'd say (and pretty much everybody would have agree with this) it was a huge mistake to transition into the RPG gameplay mechanic when the story was so heavily into VN mode.
On top of RPG initially becoming a really, really buggy error filled mess, it just slowed everything down, which ended up with dev putting the game "on hold", then later totally abandon it.

Honestly? I'd say even if the dev wanted to put RPG mechanics into the game, he really should have put that on backburner until the entire game itself was completed in VN mode.
Cause if the game itself was entirely done in VN mode and playable, noone would fault the dev for wanting to remake his game with a lot of RPG gameplay mechanics inserted (and perhaps he might plan it out a bit better, cause let's face it. It's not like the RPG stuff gets introduced in early game. It gets introduced very deep into the game, and all of a sudden and really sticks out like a sore thumb ).
And even if the RPG gameplay remake of Vis fails, players would still have the OG game in VN mode to get back to.

And this is especially evident given the dev didn't know what to do with the RPG mechanics and whole bunch of issues it was presenting when he implemented them into this game.
Either take more time to study how to make those gameplay mechanics, or hire someone else who is a specialist with a system that works.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Relax man, I'm not the Mad King. But I have good news for all of us. On his Daviant.art account, the Mad King posted, in which he announced that he was continuing to work on the game VIS. View attachment 4590544

Unity... lmao....

 

[storm1051787]

Unity... lmao....

I personally don't have a problem with unity. There are some really good games that are unity

 

[JJJ84]

Unity... lmao....

Not really fan of him going with that engine (not like I think Unity games are necessarily bad, but the experience in playing, I just find not as comfortable as Renpy).
Wonder if he's doing that to still implement those RPG mechanics lol

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I personally don't have a problem with unity. There are some really good games that are unity

It's overkill for most of these games unless you're doing something like you see with professional RPG games where you're walking around an open world as the main character. Which, for me... not something I'd want to do for an adult game. Unity also doesn't have a framework, as far as I know, for the story/VN part... so will likely miss out on features we get from Ren'Py or they will be very poorly implemented. The best example of it working well is from Timestamps games, but still janky.