VN Ren'Py Abandoned Watching My Wife [v0.6.1] [Illegible Mink]

[NewTricks]

I don't disagree with the division into more or less tolerant paths to cheating, I don't disagree with anything about the "cheating" route or the "sharing" route. The secret of a successful ntr game is to explore these two types of content.

I'm just giving my very elaborate point of view, that the developer shouldn't trust on pornography (videos and games) to plot the cuckold route. Games and pornography are definitely like I said here: " Imagine a guy is dating\married to a woman. She is sexually dissatisfied and convinces him to watch her have sex with another guy, or she simply introduces you to a guy and says "ok, I want to fuck him". the cuck is neglected and has no voice to stop her, but despite this encourages himself to masturbate and enjoy it. "

But that is totally wrong.

'Bombard the thread' wasn't about flodding content either, but eventually post something to contextualize what I'm saying. Developers need inspiration. It's no use posting a whole new perspective here, if that doesn't make it clear to him.

I get where you are coming from but what you need to understand is that this game is a pornography, not a documentary. It is made for entertainment purposes with the intention of stimulating a prurient interest. Therefore, it will naturally be more adherent to the artifice of pornography than the strict reality of IRL cuckolding relationships. However, in previous conversations, it is clear that the dev is not uninformed regarding these distinctions. With that in mind, reserving judgment until later chapters may be warranted before we turn this thread into a Master thesis project on the phenomenology of a wide continuum of ethically non-monogamous sexual relationships.

 

[matthww]

I get where you are coming from but what you need to understand is that this game is a pornography, not a documentary. It is made for entertainment purposes with the intention of stimulating a prurient interest. Therefore, it will naturally be more adherent to the artifice of pornography than the strict reality of IRL cuckolding relationships. However, in previous conversations, it is clear that the dev is not uninformed regarding these distinctions. With that in mind, reserving judgment until later chapters may be warranted before we turn this thread into a Master thesis project on the phenomenology of a wide continuum of ethically non-monogamous sexual relationships.

I just want to watch pornography the right way. that's why I said 'I don't know how cuckolding enthusiast you are'. I'm a lot, I've done these things and the real truth is that the way it's put in porn games\videos is boring. And I try my luck to influence developers, to make it less boring.

 

[Illegible Mink]

So I played the newest update v0.3.0 and my path is "Infidelity" and I choose for husband to be loyal, support wife in everything and try to be honest and kind person. These are some of my impressions from this update:

Once again you compliment me with your attention to detail and interesting game reports. I really appreciate the time you take to do this - and it means a lot that you invest so much into the game. Of course, there will be scenes which you or others might prefer to be a little different - so I do enjoy suggestions or hints towards future developments. I might not action them always, but they do help my thought process. I find the reviews and comments of this game very detailed and often quite deep. I think this is because of the topic matter and the emotional involvement in it.

Thank you for your comments on the renders - naturally I do use bought resources, but usually it doesn't end there. It can take quite a while (way over an hour easily) to set up a single new scene with models, clothing, other characters and their clothing an posing, lighting and additional props etc. Then after that's done I have to render a set of story scenes based on that main scene. Then I need to check them, script it, code it etc. And then I find out that there's a clipping issue which means that I need to render it again! Considering that I'm working full time and do this when I get in from work, you can see that it's a pretty long process - and can drive me mad! Comments such as yours make it worthwhile.

Once again then - thank you for your time and efforts in supporting me and thanks for your positivity.

 

[Lord Bradley]

I'm starting to like to read your reviews and thoughts on every update. A very nice post.

Thank you! Initially I wanted to add to my post, that if it's "too fat" people should blame cold arctus But really feels nice that my wall of text is read by someone, even tho my main focus is for developer to read it, if other people can grasp something from my "review" of the update and decide to play now or hold out for more updates I think that's cool. And I hope my posts are not too big of a spoilers, but then again what the hell are you doing reading thread without playing update first if you don't want spoilers right

 

[Illegible Mink]

What's the point of Debbie and those other girls the MC seems to get interested in. Is he supposed to cheat ?

They're just part of the story - part of the MMC life. Yes - there'll be an opportunity to cheat - I don't see an issue with that. You don't have to if you don't want to though. The story is slower paced than some - and this is to maintain the realism of the situation, so I'm okay with that also really. I think if the story had started with them already in the lifestyle, it would have been quicker, but then possibly degenerated into a succession of sex scenes. To me the corruption and build up is just as important. Hope you enjoy the game and see where I'm coming from.

 

[Satiro]

waiting for the next update to see some "action"

 

[cold_arctus]

Thank you! Initially I wanted to add to my post, that if it's "too fat" people should blame cold arctus

Last time you posted a single unreadable wall of text while this time you separated your "wall" into many smaller blocks.

 

[Illegible Mink]

I just want to watch pornography the right way. that's why I said 'I don't know how cuckolding enthusiast you are'. I'm a lot, I've done these things and the real truth is that the way it's put in porn games\videos is boring. And I try my luck to influence developers, to make it less boring.

I'll try to do the subject justice - but as stated above, ultimately it is a game and I'll do the best I can. I am familiar with the dynamic and lifestyle (very much so in terms of forums, reddits and real life) because it floats my boat. However, bear in mind that I've had several (very welcome) posts which have guided me to avoid cliches - and yet a cliche is there for a reason. So do I follow a cliche, at least partially - yes I do - because to veer too far from that would not be loyal to the kink - and indeed to what I'm interested in.

I think these discussions originate because ultimately people interested in this topic vary so much in terms of their preferences and what pushes their buttons, but we're all very passionate about it. Essentially though, in terms of this game, players will get what they get - but flexibility in outlook would help their enjoyment.

 

[Illegible Mink]

waiting for the next update to see some "action"

Trust me - I want to see it too, but the MMC has to become aware and favourable towards these ideas before he can convince his wife to do them. In terms of cheat route - unless the MFC is a slut, and she's not, she's not going to jump into bed straight away - that would be bonkers and world breaking. Still, trust me, I so want to be there too - just trying to make it real (ish).

 

[cold_arctus]

Trust me - I want to see it too, but the MMC has to become aware and favourable towards these ideas before he can convince his wife to do them. In terms of cheat route - unless the MFC is a slut, and she's not, she's not going to jump into bed straight away - that would be bonkers and world breaking. Still, trust me, I so want to be there too - just trying to make it real (ish).

To visually show the progress of MFC's you can have her wear more sexy lingerie over the time on daily basis. The more corrupt she gets, or turned on by other men looking at her, she feels more relaxed to show off her legs in sexy stockings etc. Depending on the paths MMC can question her or suggest to change her daily clothes etc.

 

[Illegible Mink]

To visually show the progress of MFC's you can have her wear more sexy lingerie over the time on daily basis. The more corrupt she gets, or turned on by other men looking at her, she feels more relaxed to show off her legs in sexy stockings etc. Depending on the paths MMC can question her or suggest to change her daily clothes etc.

Yep - already planned - looking forward to doing that! She just needs a nudge (Share / Cuck) or a private decision to make herself more alluring (Cheat).

 

[cold_arctus]

She just needs a nudge

There a many ways to that. Her female co-worker, reading something about in a female magazine, online research, a good salesperson in a boutique, husband/boyfriend/partner, comments from bystanders/friends etc.

A scenario I have in my mind could be MFC seeing her co-worker changing clothes in the office. Seeing her co-working wearing sexy stockings, a garter belt, sexy bra and so on, and asking her why she wears something as sexy as that for work can be a potential nudge for MFC to try the same.

 

[Kukipett]

They're just part of the story - part of the MMC life. Yes - there'll be an opportunity to cheat - I don't see an issue with that. You don't have to if you don't want to though. The story is slower paced than some - and this is to maintain the realism of the situation, so I'm okay with that also really. I think if the story had started with them already in the lifestyle, it would have been quicker, but then possibly degenerated into a succession of sex scenes. To me the corruption and build up is just as important. Hope you enjoy the game and see where I'm coming from.

I don't have any issue with the fact that the MC tries to flirt with other girls even if he is a cuckhold. I have known many cuckhold in my long life and i can say that they are the kind of guy always looking at girls at talking about sex. If they can't perform sexually they tend to get frustrated and act like a casanova.
No my question was about if the game started to make you having a relation with other girls as it was not the kind of roleplay i was into. I choose to play the loving husband who is ready to anything to please his woman. He's aware that he cannot perform and may want to let her have sex with other men as he's looking at it and encouraging her because it's his kink and so it doesn't look like cheating. So if the game starts to force the MC to have a relation with those girls i would not like it.
I personnaly know someone like this and one day they invited me to their house and late in the evening after some drinks they asked me if i would be ok to fuck her while he's watching. As i was surprised, i felt weird and told them that i certainly could not perform in those conditions so they forget about it and we only stay friends.
I have encoutered many people who like to watch their partner getting fucked by someone else, they don't feel betrayed because they are taking part in the game, but they are mostly older people like 40-50.

 

[clowns234]

I actually want to add something. I don't know how enthusiastic you are about cuckold relatioship, but these relationships aren't exactly about "wife-first." Cuckolding is more sharing than pornography suggests.

But what does pornography say? Imagine a guy is dating\married to a woman. She is sexually dissatisfied and convinces him to watch her have sex with another guy, or she simply introduces you to a guy and says "ok, I want to fuck him". the cuck is neglected and has no voice to stop her, but despite this encourages himself to masturbate and enjoy it.

But in real world, cuckolding is totally different. sharing and cuckold are very similar thing. Maybe sharing and cuckold are THE SAME THING, maybe not. But regardless of the differences, both kinks starts the same way: the guy tries to convince his girl to have sex with another guy in front of him. The difference is what will happen during the threesome. Both kinks are about a guy ENCOURAGING his wife\gf to have sex with other guys. The surprise is: women resist at first, it breaks their hearts, BUT they accept because girls love to satisfy their guys, when fall in love. In the end, both (man\woman) like and enjoy together.

Cucks are respected, much more imposing and not neglected. In fact, cuckolding is a MEN kink!
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What I wonder: does every guy who wants to share your girl also want to feel weaker than another guy? Because cuckolding 90% of the time it revolves around 'dick issues'. This is very easy to prove in reddit communities, for example. Here:

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. In biggest communities about 'sharing' or 'cuckolding', size matters and the wife's satisfaction are the most frequent issues, without a doubt.

So, it means: Cuckolding IS DEFINITELY about guys with small or average dick (and sometimes big dick) who wants to watch his girl fuck with a bigger\thicker dick. But unlike pornography (videos and games), the cuck is a guy who encourages his wife to make that! This has been quite clear in amateur porn for decades! But the recent wave of amateur porn is making that even clearer.

So how is cuckolding sex? Sometimes the girl has sex in the absence of her husband\bf, but usually this only happens because no one would feel comfortable being humiliated in front of a total stranger. The couple and the bull need to have a friendship, to feel comfortable with each other. Ideally, the scene is like a threesome that turns cuckolding. So imagine: Bull, cuck and hotwife in a room. At first it's a threesome, no hierarchy, but when vaginal sex starts, there's no competition, one guy is much better and provides a TON of pleasure more than the other, everyone accepts and enjoys it. In this moment the cuck feels insecure and humiliated, but he takes great pleasure on it. So the cuck films, masturbates himself, use a chastity cage and\or stimulates other erogenous zones of the girl (nipples, clittoris, mouth with a kiss or oral sex). Many times, he wants fuck in a sloppy seconds too.

how is a cuckolding relationship? A couple like any other, who have sex, fight, have dreams and do things together. But they (yes, both) select guys (bulls) to fuck the woman. Occasionally they will have sex with other guy. Are they just going to have cuckolding sex? For the sake of the relationship, I advise: don't make that. In the long term, problems can arise (it usually happens). The cuckqueen's libido for cuck is never the same and obviously she can fall in love with another guy. But usually the thing doesn't turn into cheating, It's consented. And the cuck becomes obsessed for to be cucked by every girls that he like. Let's say the 'cuck' a BDSM character, such as "master"\"mistress", who demands to be cucled and wants to impose it IN EVERY relationship.

I think it would be really innovative if this game had a cuckold path like that. I can bombard this thread with pornography and content like that to inspire the dev, if he wants.

Most people can't conceive of someone having sex with a different partner that doesn't come with feelings of jealousy and/ or humiliation. I will interested to see if the Dev can pull it off here.

 

[cold_arctus]

Most people can't conceive of someone having sex with a different partner that doesn't come with feelings of jealousy and/ or humiliation. I will interested to see if the Dev can pull it off here.

Those people are looking for love and romance and can't comprehend that you don't need love/romance to enjoy or have fan during sex. That's why people need to differ from making "love" and raw "fucking".

 

[Illegible Mink]

My question was about if the game started to make you having a relation with other girls ...

Sounds like a pretty interesting evening! But fear not - there will never be any obligation to bed any character you don't want to - just say no thank you. Although how you could resist Debbie I'll never understand !

 

[Illegible Mink]

Most people can't conceive of someone having sex with a different partner that doesn't come with feelings of jealousy and/ or humiliation. I will interested to see if the Dev can pull it off here.

Of course - the jealousy and humiliation are part of it too. Most involved in the lifestyle understandably feel it - but many get off on it too.

 

[clowns234]

Of course - the jealousy and humiliation are part of it too. Most involved in the lifestyle understandably feel it - but many get off on it too.

So the swinging route is really just more NTR?
Most swingers I've known do it because monogamy gets boring. Couples don't stay into swinging long if jealousy is part of the equation. Getting off on being humiliated is a totally different kink.

 

[Illegible Mink]

So the swinging route is really just more NTR?
Most swingers I've known do it because monogamy gets boring. Couples don't stay into swinging long if jealousy is part of the equation. Getting off on being humiliated is a totally different kink.

No - definitely not. Did I misunderstand you? Sharing does not include any ntr / humiliation at all. As you say, it's for those who want to spice up their lives and both participate actively. If you haven't already, take a look at the Dev Notes which goes into it - but it may be that I just missed your point..

 

[adsl2009]

thanks