Ren'Py Abandoned What a Legend! [v0.6.02] [MagicNuts]

[Xupuzulla]

I don't know guys..
It's a little sad situation because I feel someone is getting pleased for the abandoned tag.

I don't comprehend why people desire someone's failure. Receiving an abandoned tag, I believe it's just part of it.

I'm making general statements so not only for this game.

The tag is part of the F95 rules,people really need to stop acting like is our fault you cant deliver content for 18 months without getting the tag.

 

[DigitalFire]

Nice to see some integrity on f95 mods' part. Because they deleted my comments for being "off-topic" somehow, I was sure they were just gonna keep up the special treatment with this project. Well done. Cheers.

 

[reees754]

I loved those girls, but sadly I was too superficial in my 20s to realize they'd make a better wife than a hot woman. For the young men our there, if you meet a sexual freak who rocks your world and is cool as fuck, ignore the scale and lock that shit down! You and her can always hit the gym, and explore grooming! haha.

Yeah, i guess most are superficial when young.... tastes change though. In WaL my favourite girl would have been somebody like Serena but now by far my favourite would be Greta

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

It's not abandoned, update seems close. Go see their Discord.

You must be registered to see the links

Its seemed close for at least 6 months.

 

[BorsDeGanis]

I appreciate your noble intent of highlighting the hardships of 2d art. But my man, if you can say something so braindead with such reckless abandon, maybe the medium is better off not being defended by you

Thinking these are sprites is some next level dipshit behavior. What about these shadows look like sprites superimposed in backgrounds:

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=20

If you had half a brain you would know that these aren't what this dipshit said they are. But sure, defend his dumb ass.

 

[Big Green]

Thinking these are sprites is some next level dipshit behavior. What about these shadows look like sprites superimposed in backgrounds:

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=20

If you had half a brain you would know that these aren't what this dipshit said they are. But sure, defend his dumb ass.

That's literally a sex scene lol and he said that everything else is drwan long ago.

 

[BorsDeGanis]

That's literally a sex scene lol and he said that everything else is drwan long ago.

Are you paying attention at all? I said that a lot of these drawings aren't sprites that are pre drawn. Look at the drawing I just posted. Look at the shadows and the brush strokes. That isn't a sprite superimposed on a premade background it is a drawing with everything done in one photo. A lot of the images in What A Legend are like this.

What this dude said and people like him are that all this shit was done years ago and it is easy to make an update in two years. What I'm saying is a lot of this shit isn't premade sprites it is literal drawings with backgrounds and foregrounds unique to each photo.

Those aren't 'sprites' nor are they even close.

What about this one?

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=13

You think the character in this photo is a sprite being moved around?

No it's not. The entire thing was drawn to one perspective. The colors are even paired.

What about this one:

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=31

Does that look like a sprite to you?

 

[snowraver]

It was a fun but short game way back when I tried and it seems that it is not much different.
Website shows "96%" towards next update release and yet the hard parts are 70-90%. I'm sorry that dev work takes a long time, but I feel the abandoned tag is 100% deserved until they ship an update. And I know, pirate complaining, but at least we care enough to complain instead of forgetting about the game. If they release a complete game I'm fine paying for it, but I don't do patreon dev support for a game seemingly in development hell (on purpose or not)

 

[Big Green]

Are you paying attention at all? I said that a lot of these drawings aren't sprites that are pre drawn. Look at the drawing I just posted. Look at the shadows and the brush strokes. That isn't a sprite superimposed on a premade background it is a drawing with everything done in one photo. A lot of the images in What A Legend are like this.

What this dude said and people like him are that all this shit was done years ago and it is easy to make an update in two years. What I'm saying is a lot of this shit isn't premade sprites it is literal drawings with backgrounds and foregrounds unique to each photo.

Those aren't 'sprites' nor are they even close.

What about this one?

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=13

You think the character in this photo is a sprite being moved around?

No it's not. The entire thing was drawn to one perspective. The colors are even paired.

What about this one:

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=31

Does that look like a sprite to you?

And we’re talking individual sex scenes, which should be taking up most of the time, most of the game is sprites that have already been drawn long ago, standing over a background that likely has been drawn long ago as well, with a textbox below, that is it.

That is literally what he said. And you are posting scenes. He was talking about backgrounds and character sprites that were done literally ages ago. And all devs need to do is make more scenes which you post, make some new backgrounds maybe and change some sprites if needed. So how is he wrong? You just can't justify 2 years of development for this amount of work, especially when we had the same content updates made faster.

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

That is literally what he said. And you are posting scenes. He was talking about backgrounds and character sprites that were done literally ages ago. And all devs need to do is make more scenes which you post, make some new backgrounds maybe and change some sprites if needed. So how is he wrong? You just can't justify 2 years of development for this amount of work, especially when we had the same content updates made faster.

Like I've been saying, the real culprit here is bloat. Its not just shit luck on the devs part. Its not just the time consuming nature of 2d art and animation. Nope, its just bloat. The longer time drags on, the more they feel the pressure to deliver and the more they feel that pressure, the more they add and the more they add the longer it takes. Its a constant need to hit a home run, when really at this point they should just hit a nice high quality bunt and call it a day. Just a really good short, but sweet update featuring a hot orc chick. Thats all this update ever needed to be. Instead, we're getting like porn Lawrence of Arabia or some shit. All love to the devs though, they're genuinely good people, just slow, meticulous, and their storytelling lacks brevity.

 

[moskyx]

That is literally what he said. And you are posting scenes. He was talking about backgrounds and character sprites that were done literally ages ago. And all devs need to do is make more scenes which you post, make some new backgrounds maybe and change some sprites if needed. So how is he wrong? You just can't justify 2 years of development for this amount of work, especially when we had the same content updates made faster.

But it's not the same content as previous updates. According to dev's word (the only source we can get until the update is out) this quest amounts as many as 1/3 of the total content released so far, in terms of wordcount. Even if he ends up trimming those dialogue lines to make it shorter than it currently is, the art task count is still way larger than any other update, and being an update focused on Gomira it means that new backgrounds and sprites need to be created from scratch, since we'll visit some new parts of the map and she has never been displayed as a sprite (her only scene so far was a cutscene made of different original drawings, while Rose or Holly or Myrtle had their sprites ready for the very first update). So in this particular case, there was exactly 0 premade assets to start working with.

So we are talking they need to made about a third of what they did in about 3.5 years (the time passed between they started working on the project - a bit more than a year before the first release in May 2020 - and the 0.6 update in July 2022), then take into account they had a baby and a serious surgery which would have meant 6 months of paid leaves for both devs and there you have it: we are basically on time according to their track record.

 

[reees754]

Like I've been saying, the real culprit here is bloat. Its not just shit luck on the devs part. Its not just the time consuming nature of 2d art and animation. Nope, its just bloat. The longer time drags on, the more they feel the pressure to deliver and the more they feel that pressure, the more they add and the more they add the longer it takes. Its a constant need to hit a home run, when really at this point they should just hit a nice high quality bunt and call it a day. Just a really good short, but sweet update featuring a hot orc chick. Thats all this update ever needed to be. Instead, we're getting like porn Lawrence of Arabia or some shit. All love to the devs though, they're genuinely good people, just slow, meticulous, and their storytelling lacks brevity.

Nope, my friend. Not bloat. You´re overthinking and reading too much into it that isn´t there.

I think the answer is in reality very simple and most of us know exactly what it is.

And i think you too

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

Nope, my friend. Not bloat. You´re overthinking and reading too much into it that isn´t there.

I think the answer is in reality very simple and most of us know exactly what it is.

And i think you too

They're not milking if that is what you are suggesting. They stand to make far more money actually releasing the game than they do milking its development. They're actually probably losing money on it at this point. One thing I learned from my years as a patron is that these two are perfectionists, who revel in the creative process to a fault. Also, side note, no need to be vague. If you've got something to say just come out and say it.

 

[reees754]

They're not milking if that is what you are suggesting. They stand to make far more money actually releasing the game than they do milking its development. They're actually probably losing money on it at this point. One thing I learned from my years as a patron is that these two are perfectionists, who revel in the creative process to a fault. Also, side note, no need to be vague. If you've got something to say just come out and say it.

Hehehe! Ok. Cool Story Bro.

 

[DemiMaximoff]

Are you paying attention at all? I said that a lot of these drawings aren't sprites that are pre drawn. Look at the drawing I just posted. Look at the shadows and the brush strokes. That isn't a sprite superimposed on a premade background it is a drawing with everything done in one photo. A lot of the images in What A Legend are like this.

What this dude said and people like him are that all this shit was done years ago and it is easy to make an update in two years. What I'm saying is a lot of this shit isn't premade sprites it is literal drawings with backgrounds and foregrounds unique to each photo.

Those aren't 'sprites' nor are they even close.

What about this one?

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=13

You think the character in this photo is a sprite being moved around?

No it's not. The entire thing was drawn to one perspective. The colors are even paired.

What about this one:

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=31

Does that look like a sprite to you?

Okay, I went back and read your original message and I have to give you credit where it is due. The original dude was saying that the sex scenes were made up of pre-made sprites and backgrounds. Not just the rest of the game, the sex scenes. That's not true. They are, in fact, made up of completely unique drawings that take immense effort and talent to render at that quality.

But you're still not quite there. Every frame of animation is not a unique drawing in those scenes. For the scenes that are animated, they use live2d or similar puppet animation tech. That's not nearly as time-intensive as, like the example you used, creating anime frame by frame. It's basically the same tech that makes vtubers move around in real time.

So, yeah. We have reference for how much content the devs can make in a given amount of time - the past updates. So the content per time taken has to hold up. And it cannot be measured by lines of words. Even monkeys can churn out 10 coherent essays in an hour now with AI.

 

[Oranghunter]

Damn! its been 2 years already? last update i said to myself let them cook but by now the soup has prob evaporated and the pot rusted.

Another game bites the dust.

 

[Big Green]

But it's not the same content as previous updates. According to dev's word (the only source we can get until the update is out) this quest amounts as many as 1/3 of the total content released so far, in terms of wordcount. Even if he ends up trimming those dialogue lines to make it shorter than it currently is, the art task count is still way larger than any other update, and being an update focused on Gomira it means that new backgrounds and sprites need to be created from scratch, since we'll visit some new parts of the map and she has never been displayed as a sprite (her only scene so far was a cutscene made of different original drawings, while Rose or Holly or Myrtle had their sprites ready for the very first update). So in this particular case, there was exactly 0 premade assets to start working with.

So we are talking they need to made about a third of what they did in about 3.5 years (the time passed between they started working on the project - a bit more than a year before the first release in May 2020 - and the 0.6 update in July 2022), then take into account they had a baby and a serious surgery which would have meant 6 months of paid leaves for both devs and there you have it: we are basically on time according to their track record.

That is actually a cool story, but the biggest update line is so overused in these games. Hard to believe and 1/3 on a side chick is just ridiculous coping on your part. But about a 0 premade assets, i'm 100% sure they will use old resoures.

 

[SomeoneX22]

They're actually probably losing money on it at this point.

They must try very hard to lose €6,899 every month, inb4 50 arts update after 2 years of "losing money"

 

[moskyx]

That is actually a cool story, but the biggest update line is so overused in these games. Hard to believe and 1/3 on a side chick is just ridiculous coping on your part. But about a 0 premade assets, i'm 100% sure they will use old resoures.

Well, if you just don't want to believe this couple of devs who have never been caught in a lie in 4 years and have always underpromised and overdelivered in their estimations, and all of this just because 'other devs' did, that says more about your irrationally butthurt thinking than about my 'coping'. Anyway, I won't lose sleep for this. About the premade assets, just be honest with yourself and others. Have you seen a single Gomira's sprite in the available content so far? Why and how would they have a bunch of already-made backgrounds and sprites for her story when they were working on other updates in which they didn't need them? Sure, the MC is mostly covered at this point so technically is true they will use some old resources, but I thought it was obvious I was talking about Gomira's art and the quest-related backgrounds.

 

[Bobbylikesthegames]

Yeah, i guess most are superficial when young.... tastes change though. In WaL my favourite girl would have been somebody like Serena but now by far my favourite would be Greta

HAHAHA. Spoken like a man who has never been married. I'm more about the tree with the killer ass! I highly doubt it would give me shit for working two jobs and extra hours to afford a beautiful home... HAHAHAHA