Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.03] [MagicNuts]

[fearjam]

mods really deleted my response to somebody here that was contributory calling it a personal argument. That's wild. I was genuinely interacting with the fans of this game, didn't "argue" about anything. Hope they deleted the person whom I replied to's argument.

God forbid the community that plays the games gets to discuss the games, right?

 

[shazba jnr]

And for those who accuse MagicNuts of being scammers, their subscription rates are $2-$5 and $10, they make about $7375, after expenses I don't think they have a very high salary at the end of the month, they get this money from 1807 subscribers, that's an average of $5 per person per month, millions of people spend more than that on the lottery for only one of them to win the prize, while the lottery makes millions... In short, the Trolls who attack indie game developers have a very hypocritical and miserable vision of life.

See, I was agreeing with you until the last sentence.
They are not trolls, they are cynical and take said cynicism too far.
But said cynicism is not baseless. it came from being burned in the past by scammer devs.

The thing to understand is that, you can't just go "all devs are scammers" or "no scammers exist". both extreme positions are silly.
excercise some good judgement and learn to differentiate between scammers, and good devs.
And give people some benefit of the doubt. Whether it is other posters or devs who are getting some benefit of the doubt.

All those numbers still don't negate the fact that:

• the latest episode is taking longer to release than all previous episodes combined,
• they're sill not done,
• they've been taking money the whole time.
• they've been posting an update status that has shown for the last 5 months they've just been debugging and editing the game.
• the update status metrics just keep moving and moving.
• When they started polishing (early April) the status for debug was 94/127. It's now 201/220.
• When they started polishing the status for editing was 502/506 and it's now 631/634.
• I don't know what the Editing units are, but the remaining units was 4 around five months ago, now it's down to 3 as the total has shifted by over 100 units.

They may be working their asses off, trying to produce the best green orc episode ever, while facing a boat load of personal difficulties, but it looks fucking bad.

And to call anyone who looks at the situation a troll or a hypocrite because they think the devs are scamming, is bullshit. It looks very much like the devs are scamming, even if they are not. The evidence looks fucking bad. It just does.

People are complaining in a.............PIRATES SITE!?

That'd be the pirates. By definition they take shit that doesn't belong to them, and kill people for resisting, so yeah, if we don't get what we want, when we want, heads are gonna roll. It's just lucky it's only figuratively.

Wouldn't end well.
Most of the suscriptions buisness benefits from the fact that people can't be bothered to change/cancel them. Think about gym membership, phone bill, insurance policies. Would you change your rent from a rather good house just to get the same one 3 streets away with a better view and slightly less monthly rent ? Do you change your internet provider every 3 months to get the best offer from other companies ?

It's a bother so we don't do it, we are a bit lazy, quite confortable with what we have and not willing to risk the change over a small profit. All subscriptions plan are based on this behavior, flying just under the radar of your monthly bills and never giving you a reason to reconsider your commitment.

It would be the same for patreons. If the Nuts close their Patreon account and advice their sub to migrate to Subsribstar. Let's say at the best of time, only 70% of WaL would move their sub from Patreon to take another one in Subscribstar. It would be a loss for the Nuts. But we aren't at the best of time. Probably much more would just give up.

I don't know if comparing the joys of moving fucking house, to pressing 'cancel' on a Patreon page, is a good comparison. But there really must be a lot of people who just don't look at their monthly statements and completely forget about that monthly $5 subscription.

 

[Thicc Lord]

mods really deleted my response to somebody here that was contributory calling it a personal argument. That's wild. I was genuinely interacting with the fans of this game, didn't "argue" about anything. Hope they deleted the person whom I replied to's argument.

God forbid the community that plays the games gets to discuss the games, right?

Because it was part of a longer argument.

1. All discussions in these threads should be kept on-topic and be about the game/content/creator/etc
   • Memes/gifs/reactions are fine as long as they don't derail the discussion and aren't excessive or distracting, eg. combining or chain quoting them is considered excessive. As a rule of thumb, if words are enough then do not use an image
   • Discussion must be limited to the game/comic/asset/author listed on the OP. You may discuss other content from the same developer, but please do not discuss content from other developers.
   • Do not branch the topic into posting about random unrelated discussions, favorite movies/food/weather/etc, or complaints about moderator actions/rules
   • Please move any disruptive/prolonged arguments to PM

 

[KOIN_88]

However, I would like to underline one thing: the concept of Patreon, of a patron, goes beyond the delivery of the work. We or anyone who is a subscriber is a patron: he invests a sum to obtain one or more products, following a directive. But it is clear that if something happens to those who enjoy the support of one or more patrons, we must also keep in mind that the delivery will be postponed. For example: if Da Vinci or Virgilio had caught a cold or had diarrhea, it is obvious that whoever pays and supports them would have taken care of them, paying for the doctor and treatment. A very banal and very simple example, but it serves to explain the concept behind it. Then it is obvious that there are those who take advantage of it. The work behind the creation of content or a work (gaming, comics or other) is tiring, exhausting and stressful. Even those who simply make videos on YouTube for educational purposes have a lot of trouble looking for sources, writing texts, reviewing them, confirming the news they find, etc.

Magic Nuts is obviously taking a long time (a year or more of development), but if I'm not mistaken, in the middle there was the birth of a child, with all the problems and unknowns that brings in terms of time, commitment and costs. Let's then consider that, poor thing or that, the child or one of his parents has had health problems, you will understand that planning takes a backseat for a moment. He himself said that there were problems months ago, in addition to the fact that this development is more demanding than all the others (I don't remember if he specified it due to the large amount of content or not). Furthermore, we must keep one thing in mind: going forward (version 0.7 currently in progress), times will inevitably lengthen: we will probably see the final version in five or maybe six years. I would suggest, without controversy obviously, patience and trust. ICSTOR rewarded in the end with a game well done and quite intriguing (and horny... Celia, if she were real, I would gladly fuck her). Let's wait and keep our fingers crossed in the meantime.

 

[Arctic Crusader]

I thought for sure that even with all the hand-wringing in this thread that they wouldn't go past July without a release, but here we are wrapping up August and still nothing.

I'm not a supporter so I have no stake in keeping them actively developing, but I really hope the release is before the end of the year.

 

[bogodit]

I haven't been looking at this thread for a month, and people are already losing it.

I usually am out of the website and only comeback to see if there has been any updates or something for the stuff I'm watching.
I simply don't comment to any sides of the "fight", I just stay in a corner and watch.

 

[Licke_Prinze]

Haven't played since 0.5.X. What did i missed?

 

[Kisama33]

Haven't played since 0.5.X. What did i missed?

Mostly Rose's storyline, like almost all of it (only a few "extras" remaining) and the "new patreon guidelines" update which can be considered a downgrade rather than something important.

 

[Licke_Prinze]

Mostly Rose's storyline, like almost all of it (only a few "extras" remaining) and the "new patreon guidelines" update which can be considered a downgrade rather than something important.

Damn, that kinda sucks tho. I really hopped for more Holly scenes. Anyway, you wouldn't have a 100% save by any chance?

 

[Abaddon Doom]

When you have a comfortable income, provided by investors who support you financially on a monthly basis...it's a bit like pouring cold water on the fire...money changes people...the fire that ignited this project has diminished to smoldering ashes.
Yet, I still have faith in this developer, I'm sure the 'Gomira update' will happen soon.

 

[Bobbylikesthegames]

Just out of curiosity, how hard would it be for someone with a particular set of skills to hack this games code and just finish the game themself, or with a team? It seems like there are a lot of folks on here who know how to do all of that, and I do wonder why they don't just finish these games themself. It's not like there are any strong copy rights with these games, or is there?

 

[RT5X]

Man I wish Patreon didn't nitpick so annoyingly at small shit with these games.
Like I don't care about aging up the MC but the "Surprise Orgy" dialogue having to be changed to the newer girls is just fucking stupid.
Like what is Patreon gonna lose for letting certain shit slide. Unless some article or a payment provider makes a fuss about it to them then just leave it alone. It makes the site money
I swear games should just do the go old fashioned
"What is the character to the MC?"
And we can change it from "Landlord" to Mother lol

 

[Abaddon Doom]

RT5X...we're sliding towards absolute control and regulation. The prison cell we were born into is real...the reality changes based on their agenda, they manipulate our lives on a daily basis, we are slaves to the system.

 

[Kisama33]

Damn, that kinda sucks tho. I really hopped for more Holly scenes. Anyway, you wouldn't have a 100% save by any chance?

The good news is that update 0.8 will be focused on Holly (development is currently on the last steps to finish 0.7), the bad news is that it may take awhile for that also no 100%, try the search feature maybe you can find one.

A payment provider makes a fuss about it to them then just leave it alone. It makes the site money

I think this is the main reason, more specific PayPal.

It's not like there are any strong copy rights with these games, or is there?

That will depend a lot on the measures the devs took to protect their work, the type of game doesn't have anything to do with it.

But even if that is the case Fandom works are still permitted like what happens with "Parodies" as long as they respect the 4 factors required for it to be considered fair use.

Different than patents or trademarks, copyright is much easier to obtain.

"Copyright registration is not a prerequisite to obtaining copyright protection. Copyright protection automatically subsists the moment the work is fixed in a tangible medium of expression. "

 

[shazba jnr]

Just out of curiosity, how hard would it be for someone with a particular set of skills to hack this games code and just finish the game themself, or with a team? It seems like there are a lot of folks on here who know how to do all of that, and I do wonder why they don't just finish these games themself. It's not like there are any strong copy rights with these games, or is there?

That will depend a lot on the measures the devs took to protect their work, the type of game doesn't have anything to do with it.

But even if that is the case Fandom works are still permitted like what happens with "Parodies" as long as they respect the 4 factors required for it to be considered fair use.

Different than patents or trademarks, copyright is much easier to obtain.

"Copyright registration is not a prerequisite to obtaining copyright protection. Copyright protection automatically subsists the moment the work is fixed in a tangible medium of expression. "

Anyone could take any renpy game from here, reverse compile it, and complete it however they wish, but they'd find out really quickly how hard it is to create appealing graphics and a well paced, well written game. It's easier to sit on the side lines and throw shit (I'm very good at that, I must say), but the reason there aren't thousands of fantastic games here is because it's not easy.

But there is a much easier way to complete the game the way you want:

• Take out a piece of paper, draw two stick characters, one with tits, make them hold hands and then write: THE END.
• Then you can imagine your mc ended up with the girl of his dreams, and you don’t have to wait several years for the real story to end.
• Of course, you can even mix it up, you’re not limited with how many stick figures you add, and you don’t have to draw tits on them, that was just a suggestion.
• You’re in complete control now, this ending is gonna be epic!

 

[Ataman87]

I dont get how there is plenty on step-incest in porn made in the US , even incest based movies like "Taboo" but god forbit a porn game contains even a reference of some vitrual character and his vurtial step mom , we simply cant have that can we ?!

 

[RT5X]

RT5X...we're sliding towards absolute control and regulation. The prison cell we were born into is real...the reality changes based on their agenda, they manipulate our lives on a daily basis, we are slaves to the system.

In the endgame (if that ever happens)
they should throw everything out the door and let the orgy with the moms ensue as normal lol
Theres no way a patreon employee will get that far lmao

 

[DemiMaximoff]

Damn, that kinda sucks tho. I really hopped for more Holly scenes. Anyway, you wouldn't have a 100% save by any chance?

There's some really good Myrtle scenes with Rose though that the previous person forgot to mention. I hope that makes up for it

 

[Kisama33]

In the endgame (if that ever happens)
they should throw everything out the door and let the orgy with the moms ensue as normal lol
Theres no way a patreon employee will get that far lmao

They still make the game available for download though their official website, I don't know why they don't keep that version as it is but it may be to make easier to keep track of things and avoid mistakes. So who knows if they don't release a small patch outside of patreon that will update the game to their original idea when the project is over.

 

[vonamatas]

[..] I really hope the release is before the end of the year.

The end of which year?





Just kidding! no offense.