What is thy limit to porn logic?

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Most overused would be just Badly written characters with very little thought put into there background and personality see this in MC's and Mains way too much and Side characters hardly ever get fleshed out that much but they should. As the more attached people will get for the overall game
 
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I may be an outlier here but I play a lot of games just for the renders regardless if the story is good or not. Lucky Mark is an example, I don't care for all the themes in the game but I love the renders. The story is almost non-existant, literally once you get far enough in the game you can force yourself on the daughter at night in the shower, but in the morning if you go to the shower and slap her ass it's game over.

I like the slow build of a relationship in the story, not eternal like A Wife and A Mother ( still don't understand why this game is so popular ), but along the lines of Twists of My Life. My biggest turn-off is the trope of your hot let's fuck. Basically fucking just to have fucking in the game annoys me.
 
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I may be an outlier here but I play a lot of games just for the renders regardless if the story is good or not. Lucky Mark is an example, I don't care for all the themes in the game but I love the renders. The story is almost non-existant, literally once you get far enough in the game you can force yourself on the daughter at night in the shower, but in the morning if you go to the shower and slap her ass it's game over.

I like the slow build of a relationship in the story, not eternal like A Wife and A Mother ( still don't understand why this game is so popular ), but along the lines of Twists of My Life. My biggest turn-off is the trope of your hot let's fuck. Basically fucking just to have fucking in the game annoys me.
I still don't understand why people who do this don't just watch porn. It's better than just the renders. I tolerate the uncanny valley for the sake of a story that will never exist in porn. If I just want a fap, I'll go with porn, if I want to get attached to characters and feel something from a fap, then I'll go to games or manga.
 

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I still don't understand why people who do this don't just watch porn. It's better than just the renders. I tolerate the uncanny valley for the sake of a story that will never exist in porn. If I just want a fap, I'll go with porn, if I want to get attached to characters and feel something from a fap, then I'll go to games or manga.
It's not always about fapping, I enjoy the art and the quality of the renders, it's something I can't do and have always been fascinated with cgi. Some games have beautiful images and a shit story, some have shit images and a good story, others find the balance.
 
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I may be an outlier here but I play a lot of games just for the renders regardless if the story is good or not. Lucky Mark is an example, I don't care for all the themes in the game but I love the renders. The story is almost non-existant, literally once you get far enough in the game you can force yourself on the daughter at night in the shower, but in the morning if you go to the shower and slap her ass it's game over.

I like the slow build of a relationship in the story, not eternal like A Wife and A Mother ( still don't understand why this game is so popular ), but along the lines of Twists of My Life. My biggest turn-off is the trope of your hot let's fuck. Basically fucking just to have fucking in the game annoys me.
Yes, good looking renders are a must but need a reason to give two shits about the game. otherwise, it's a waste of time
 

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I've put in a shit ton of time playing games with barely passable renders as long as I was interested in the story. Hell, two of my favorite games, Coceter Chronicles and I Love Daddy, have ok art. No one is standing on the rooftops talking about their art. But they have really interesting stories. Both over the top and fantastical, but plausible within the universe that has been built.
 

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the reason the MC often comes off as the villain is that the Dev doesn't take the time to set up a plausible reality in which things can happen
The bigger turnoff for me is this Meet and fuck mentality some devs have going on. There are so many ways to fix it, even a fucking timeskip - if done well enough - could do the trick. People don't just get to know each other and then they engage in a sexual relationship.

Other thing is the elephantiasis epidemic going on in these games. Unnecessary huge body parts could be just a artstyle and design decision, however, how can it be a good design choice when everything but tits, butts and dicks are at least aiming to be realistic? In nearly all "good" games we have a main character bigger than a horse, and all the girls just talk about how big he is and how much he cums. Which is extremely unrealistic. Never saw any girl who dirtytalks like this, or a girl who likes giant dicks (besides camgirls and porn actresses who obviously are playing on the fetishes of others). And because of that the player can't connect (well, who wants to be liked solely for the length of their cock?) with what the plot is trying to convey, and so it turns into a grind to have some eyecandy and maybe some fap material.

I guess it is this way for me because I initially came to the forum because of commercial visual novels like utawarerumono and such, where the plot is trying to make a point about a subject matter through the connections players make with the characters. Play a game just to fap is fine, but there are so many stories to be told that can do more than entertain you for some hours. I don't see why devs get so fixated in the immediate sexual content, rather then slowly building relationships that look and feel real between the characters, all the while, telling a good and meaningful story. Video games are art, dude, the writing should be a way for the devs to insert their life experiences, views, and wishes into the story, so it can tell something to someone.

But i guess for most of the devs, this is just a cashgrab they happened to stumble up on. This explains why so many games are abandoned.
 

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The bigger turnoff for me is this Meet and fuck mentality some devs have going on. There are so many ways to fix it, even a fucking timeskip - if done well enough - could do the trick. People don't just get to know each other and then they engage in a sexual relationship.
Yes they do. But you have to do it correctly. The Stairway to Heaven is a common trope, one that you, as a fan of DmD are quite familiar with. It's also a real thing. However it doesn't work like in games. You and another person gradually build familiarity. But that familiarity is gained relatively quickly between the right people or in the right circumstances. The reason most people go to clubs and bars looking for love is that it provides exactly that atmosphere. You're encouraged to meet and talk, with the help of a little healthy dose of alcohol to loosen everyone up. You take their hand, nonchalantly as you lead them to the dance floor, and on that dance floor, you're all over one another, increasing the comfort and familiarity between the two of you, as well as stimulating your sex drive. Assuming things are going well, you're talking and liking the conversation, you're comfortable with affectionate touches, sexual dancing, etc, you just might make it to the kiss. That kiss is a make or break moment for a number of reasons. Skill is the most obvious, if you're able to give them a kiss that leaves them wanting. More innocuously, however, is the reason science has shown we kiss in the first place. It is an exchange of bacteria and viruses. Our bodies are able, through this kiss, to determine if the partner has the potential to be a good mate, to increase the chances of survival of your children because of this swapping of information. After the kiss it's smooth sailing if everything goes right you can ascend the full way up the staircase.

For a writer, it's all about building the sexual tension in this scene. If done properly you can convince me that anyone, no matter how resistant to the idea of casual sex they may be, might fall prey to their lust. If you have two characters casually meet and don't show the steps, the conversation, the familiar touches, followed by the more sexual advances, the kissing, make us feel the fireworks, give us the dancing and the light inebriation, we have no frame of reference to believe that these two people are into one another. But if you do all these things as I already stated, you can make me believe that Mother Theresa and Jesus himself decided to fuck that night.

Other thing is the elephantiasis epidemic going on in these games. Unnecessary huge body parts could be just a artstyle and design decision, however, how can it be a good design choice when everything but tits, butts and dicks are at least aiming to be realistic? In nearly all "good" games we have a main character bigger than a horse, and all the girls just talk about how big he is and how much he cums. Which is extremely unrealistic. Never saw any girl who dirtytalks like this, or a girl who likes giant dicks (besides camgirls and porn actresses who obviously are playing on the fetishes of others). And because of that the player can't connect (well, who wants to be liked solely for the length of their cock?) with what the plot is trying to convey, and so it turns into a grind to have some eyecandy and maybe some fap material.
So... Size matters. But not in the way people think it does. Girth is far more valuable than Length. The "G Spot" is actually closer to the entrance of the vagina than it is toward the womb. However, bringing the womb into question, there's an eroticism to that fullness, to feeling it knocking on that door. All you need to do is walk into a sex shop to know that there absolutely are girls who want a big dick. Now, does that mean that they need it? No, and if they don't have it they aren't going to fucking complain to the person they have an intimate relationship with about it. Average size is more than enough to get the job done.

As for copious amounts of cum, that again speaks to the eroticism of it. Theoretically, the more cum the more potential for impregnation. Psychologically this is a turn on. Again, going back to what I said about "feeling full", if a girl feels that way, it's erotic, and even more so if she says it, because it comes off as praise. Sure, most guys are lucky with a couple good dollops, but that doesn't change the implications and feelings associated with it.

Finally, all of this comes down to fantasy fulfillment. Men want a big dick, women want to get fucked like never before. Men want to hear they are the best fuck a woman has ever had, women want to imagine giving themselves over to such a man. Men want to be able to impregnate anything that walks, women want to be impregnated by such a man. It is ok for a fantasy to not be real. There are plenty of kinks that aren't real. Futa, Vore, and Fur, for example. What matters isn't realism, it's plausibility, and this is all plausible.

I guess it is this way for me because I initially came to the forum because of commercial visual novels like utawarerumono and such, where the plot is trying to make a point about a subject matter through the connections players make with the characters. Play a game just to fap is fine, but there are so many stories to be told that can do more than entertain you for some hours. I don't see why devs get so fixated in the immediate sexual content, rather then slowly building relationships that look and feel real between the characters, all the while, telling a good and meaningful story. Video games are art, dude, the writing should be a way for the devs to insert their life experiences, views, and wishes into the story, so it can tell something to someone.
Devs get fixated on instant gratification because they are forced by the current system to provide consistent content people find worth paying for. The real problem isn't the need to develop the sexual relationship, it's the lack of talent in the majority of developers in the field of writing. As I mentioned above, it's absolutely realistic for a couple to meet at a bar and fuck that night, but that process requires development. It's the same development you're seeing in these games with the slow idea you're talking about, but over much less time.

But i guess for most of the devs, this is just a cashgrab they happened to stumble up on.
As a dev, this just pisses me off. You obviously don't know shit about what goes into making a game. The days spent just tossing words at the paper till you find something that really resonates. The hours spent painstakingly posing or drawing your characters. The slog of waiting for renders to finish. The stressful process of implementing your code only to spend an hour looking to see what's wrong and finding a missing semicolon. You're damn right that you see a lot of projects that don't see a return get abandoned. That kind of labor is not something to scoff at, even in a crap game.
 

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Not all of the abandoned games are there for just a cash grab. Some of those devs set themselves too high a bar and promise monthly updates and can't do them because they have a day job and think they can do this as a side thing to make extra money pretty easy. When it's a second Full time or more job. Then they get greedy with making bonus content for higher payers which takes valuable time from development. Then have to delay because the bonus content took away render time. They underestimate it and then drown. Also, those of us that do care about content make sure we can do it at a pace where our Patreons are happy without sacrificing quality.
 

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Yeah, of course. However, what I meant is that there's too much people jumping onto the bandwagon. If they're doing it for quick money or if they're underestimating the amount of work it's required to make a game, the results are practically the same.
In the first case it's deliberately bad writing. In the second case, the game quality slowly goes down until the game is abandoned. And we are left with a bunch of eyecandy and nothing really deep to experience.

But hell, I know it ain't easy to write good believable characters... I take so much time writing and rewriting stuff to make it better that it might take another month or so to finish writing the prologue for my pet project! Lol
 

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I don't really care about the story so much if I'm just looking for a quality fap. Art is far more important I find and porn logic tends to get as stupid as generic anime protagonists being surrounded by so many bitches they blueball themselves for whatever bullshit reason however what really makes me laugh in hentai is how far they will go to make up reasons to have sex like this one guy in a hentai he was trying to rape a girl to the point she loved him so he kept trying different orders of kissing her, fucking her mouth, pussy, and asshole in hopes he raped her just right so she would love him.
 

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There are a few things that put me off and some that piss me off when it comes to porn games.

Lesbians all want cock is one that really pisses me off. I know bringing my personal feelings into a game shouldn't happen but sadly a lot of men think like that and they annoy me. When I see the tags "Male Protag" and "Lesbian" I usually find some character labeled as lesbian and wanting the MC's dick, that isn't a lesbian it's a bisexual. It's like people think we are there to be converted. Going to say something I said once before, one day i'm going to make a game where straight men are converted gay by surprise butt fucks, see how they like it.

Awkward MC's. I don't generally play male MC games unless the story or the women really stand out or it's romance based because I love me some good love stories. A few male MC's i've seen, usually in Japanese games, have been far too awkward around women and it makes it hard to read and I end up stopping. Stuttering annoyingly, nose bleeds, saying the wrong thing, dragging out how they feel for hours. It's not something I find endearing or remotely attractive. If I was straight and had some bloke stuttering at me while his nose bled due to him staring at my cleavage I wouldn't be speaking to him for very long or ever again. Don't worry, i'm not sexist, I feel the exact same way about awkward women.

Indirect kisses. I've never noticed this much before but i've played a few Japanese VN's recently where someone has taken a sip of a drink or eaten something off a fork or chopstick and the MC has had a full on crisis about an indirect kiss. That isn't a thing, who made this into a thing, it's a very shit thing. I'm reading an adult novel with supposed adult characters in an adult setting about to do adult things and this comes up which is something i'd expect from a child.

Rape enjoyment. The only time I have seen this work is in Bunny Black and that's because that game is so over the top ridiculous pretty much anything would work. Maybe Rance too but, again, he's also over the top ridiculous.

Sex breaking someone mentally. That's not how sex works. It's usually a Japanese thing (funny how they are behind all things wrong in porn)
 

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(funny how they are behind all things wrong in porn)
Ha, I guess that's because of the target demographic for these games. usually awkward japanese males from "18" to 28. IDK, japan is a special (strange) place lol

Awkward MC's.
Now, this one can be a big turnoff if it's not used in the right context (like in an over the top comedy, or in a cute romance). I recently watched Wotaku ni Koi, and the slight awkwardness between the main characters in certain situation is endearing, some times funny and other times cute. However, it can be boring, cringy and a big turnoff if not executed at the right time and place.
 
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I have trouble with a lot of "corruption" games/VNs. A lot of them have the 'rape her until she likes it' mentality. They don't actually develop the corruption aspect of the character. It's mostly "I didn't know how much I liked sex until I was forced to have it 50 times." Depending on how poorly it's handled, it can make me stop a game. In the same vein, it's always laughable when the blackmail is "have sex with me or I'll tell people you already had sex with me." Given that the first encounter was generally rape, it seems stupid that this line of thinking works. It's a never ending cycle of blackmail at that point. While I realize the character is supposed to be wanting more sex, it is usually super clunky and sloppy.
 

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A difficult question to answer.

I have a few things that turn me off.
Female domination, gore, sisification, way to big boobs, etc.
But to stop playing a game because it was too inlogical?
That only happend twice if i remember correctly.

In both cases it was a case of the main charater being suchs a moron that it made me want to kill him.
If i remember correctly the games where:

Sister, sister, sister.
Where the fact you didnt inform anyone a stranger was mind controling your younger sister or even attempted to murder to witch irirtated me to no end.
I like incest game.
I like corrupting woman.
But i am still quiet protective of my family.
Likewise i expect that either out of possestiveness or love the main charater does accauly want to protect his family from other preditors.

The other was about a guy called rhonan i believe.
Short version: Important political prisoner and known tempress has been captured and is to be brought to your boss.
You are stuck in a cabin because of poor weather.
So far so good.
Rhonan: Here is a brilliant idea lets have her corrupt us one by one by sending only one person inside her room.
Really?
I mean who in there right mind leaves a dangerous prisoner poorly gaurded, in her own room.
Meaby i played to many slave games but break tie that bitch up and rape her until she is mind broken(or if you need her mind intact because imporant general just tie her up and keep contact to a bare minimun)

Most mc are stupid(most people are so no suprise there)
But the difference between stupid and out of your mind is an important one.
If you cant give me a good reason why my charater would not take obvious answer A.
Then i can get rather anoyed by that.
This is a problem in alot of stories.
When people start to ask:
Why dont they just do X.
It means you overlooked something important.
A good games never makes you go:
Why didnt they just do the obvious.
 

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I'm sensing a pattern here... Obviously it depends on the game's premise. I guess to phrase the question better, at which point does it become almost laughable.
Even rephrased the question doesn't matter. There's games that are totally ridiculous, mentioned above is probably seen as one of them by many people. Still it's not really a problem.

For me, the limit is not in the logic, nor in the realism, but in the global coherence.
If you write a realist story, like by example, stay on the realism side and don't start to use over sized models like in Battle of the Bulges, make a girl change her sexuality over night, mess with law of physic and things like that. You wanted your story to be realist, keep it realist.
At the opposite is you make a parody like the said Battle of the Bulges, don't start to be serious in your story, don't go with thinks like "No, I don't like guy" or suddenly be limited by some realism. Hey, he already have 75% of his blood right in his dick when he have an erection ! He should have fainted before he finally have this erection, so we don't care if you can't jump from 10 meters without breaking your bones.
Same, if you want to make a fantasy/sci-fi game where people grow a penis or a vagina whenever they want, go for it, it will not disturb me. But then go wild all along. You've defined a world where things works differently, keep them working differently.

This coherence don't only apply to the universe, it also apply to the character building. Take by example. The character building is a real mess. The said wife and mother is totally sexually repressed and in the same time a real slut.
Just one example. She let her son and his friend see her in a bra while playing video game, because it doesn't matter... and few days after this, she freak out because her son see her in a bikini and not in a full covering one piece. Then she think that letting him saw her like this more often can be a good motivation, so she have a deal with him : he clean his room, behave and be a good son, and she'll wear her bikini more often.
What the fuck man :/ This girl have a really strong multi personality disorder.
 

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Yes they do. But you have to do it correctly. The Stairway to Heaven is a common trope, one that you, as a fan of DmD are quite familiar with. It's also a real thing. However it doesn't work like in games. You and another person gradually build familiarity. But that familiarity is gained relatively quickly between the right people or in the right circumstances. The reason most people go to clubs and bars looking for love is that it provides exactly that atmosphere. You're encouraged to meet and talk, with the help of a little healthy dose of alcohol to loosen everyone up. You take their hand, nonchalantly as you lead them to the dance floor, and on that dance floor, you're all over one another, increasing the comfort and familiarity between the two of you, as well as stimulating your sex drive. Assuming things are going well, you're talking and liking the conversation, you're comfortable with affectionate touches, sexual dancing, etc, you just might make it to the kiss. That kiss is a make or break moment for a number of reasons. Skill is the most obvious, if you're able to give them a kiss that leaves them wanting. More innocuously, however, is the reason science has shown we kiss in the first place. It is an exchange of bacteria and viruses. Our bodies are able, through this kiss, to determine if the partner has the potential to be a good mate, to increase the chances of survival of your children because of this swapping of information. After the kiss it's smooth sailing if everything goes right you can ascend the full way up the staircase.

For a writer, it's all about building the sexual tension in this scene. If done properly you can convince me that anyone, no matter how resistant to the idea of casual sex they may be, might fall prey to their lust. If you have two characters casually meet and don't show the steps, the conversation, the familiar touches, followed by the more sexual advances, the kissing, make us feel the fireworks, give us the dancing and the light inebriation, we have no frame of reference to believe that these two people are into one another. But if you do all these things as I already stated, you can make me believe that Mother Theresa and Jesus himself decided to fuck that night.



So... Size matters. But not in the way people think it does. Girth is far more valuable than Length. The "G Spot" is actually closer to the entrance of the vagina than it is toward the womb. However, bringing the womb into question, there's an eroticism to that fullness, to feeling it knocking on that door. All you need to do is walk into a sex shop to know that there absolutely are girls who want a big dick. Now, does that mean that they need it? No, and if they don't have it they aren't going to fucking complain to the person they have an intimate relationship with about it. Average size is more than enough to get the job done.

As for copious amounts of cum, that again speaks to the eroticism of it. Theoretically, the more cum the more potential for impregnation. Psychologically this is a turn on. Again, going back to what I said about "feeling full", if a girl feels that way, it's erotic, and even more so if she says it, because it comes off as praise. Sure, most guys are lucky with a couple good dollops, but that doesn't change the implications and feelings associated with it.

Finally, all of this comes down to fantasy fulfillment. Men want a big dick, women want to get fucked like never before. Men want to hear they are the best fuck a woman has ever had, women want to imagine giving themselves over to such a man. Men want to be able to impregnate anything that walks, women want to be impregnated by such a man. It is ok for a fantasy to not be real. There are plenty of kinks that aren't real. Futa, Vore, and Fur, for example. What matters isn't realism, it's plausibility, and this is all plausible.



Devs get fixated on instant gratification because they are forced by the current system to provide consistent content people find worth paying for. The real problem isn't the need to develop the sexual relationship, it's the lack of talent in the majority of developers in the field of writing. As I mentioned above, it's absolutely realistic for a couple to meet at a bar and fuck that night, but that process requires development. It's the same development you're seeing in these games with the slow idea you're talking about, but over much less time.



As a dev, this just pisses me off. You obviously don't know shit about what goes into making a game. The days spent just tossing words at the paper till you find something that really resonates. The hours spent painstakingly posing or drawing your characters. The slog of waiting for renders to finish. The stressful process of implementing your code only to spend an hour looking to see what's wrong and finding a missing semicolon. You're damn right that you see a lot of projects that don't see a return get abandoned. That kind of labor is not something to scoff at, even in a crap game.
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Sorry about the late reply.
Well, It goes without saying that i didn't want to piss anyone off.
I kind of understand the crunch of making a game, as I'm struggling for some months now to push my first project to a acceptable "open beta" state. Have you tried to use daz 3d with a i3 540, a gt 1030 and 6gb ram? It's a fucking nightmare lol

And you are absolutely right to say that good writing can make almost any situation feel believable if the right steps were taken to build up the tension.

About the fulfillment fantasy and the impregnation stuff, I don't know man. Even if deep inside, what our subconscious and bodies want are healthy mates with good genes, something seems off when you see a character with 50cm of junk and a soda bottle full of cum ready to explode in the the huge cock loving female.

Of course we all have fantasies and desires, and yeah, in a sex shop you can find a bunch of huge dildos. However, that's not so common as to have all the possible "Love interests" in the game to have this particular taste. And the "oh, you're so huge, aaaah" thing is a bit overused and sometimes sounds fake, hahaha.

That's the point I tried to make, I guess, we have good games with these tropes, but the real problem is that it sounds fake when not written properly, like a low budget porn. Te reason DmD and Melody are popular, imho, is that the writing take its time to establish the characters and not every one of them seem to have the same personality and fettishes.

And I respect devs, artists and writers that put the story in first place. And about the cashgrab thing, not every dev who puts a patreon page up is just after money, after all, it's not cheap to develop anything, and some times the rig have to be updated too.
 
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Sister, sister, sister.
Where the fact you didnt inform anyone a stranger was mind controling your younger sister or even attempted to murder to witch irirtated me to no end.
What exactly would you say about that where you wouldn't be laughed out of the building?

You - "Hello, someone is mind controlling my sister to make her commit sex acts"

Anyone you tell - bwahahahahahahaha check out this idiot, think he's a crack head.