What is thy limit to porn logic?

[Avaron1974]

This coherence don't only apply to the universe, it also apply to the character building. Take

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by example. The character building is a real mess. The said wife and mother is totally sexually repressed and in the same time a real slut.
Just one example. She let her son and his friend see her in a bra while playing video game, because it doesn't matter... and few days after this, she freak out because her son see her in a bikini and not in a full covering one piece. Then she think that letting him saw her like this more often can be a good motivation, so she have a deal with him : he clean his room, behave and be a good son, and she'll wear her bikini more often.
What the fuck man :/ This girl have a really strong multi personality disorder.

The writing for wife and mother is so bad it's hilarious. That scene with the bikini, the one with the label where the son sees her bare shoulder (gasp) and the severe over reactions to pretty much everything.

It's b movie levels of hilarious.

 

[Ataios]

There are a few things that put me off and some that piss me off when it comes to porn games.

Lesbians all want cock is one that really pisses me off. I know bringing my personal feelings into a game shouldn't happen but sadly a lot of men think like that and they annoy me. When I see the tags "Male Protag" and "Lesbian" I usually find some character labeled as lesbian and wanting the MC's dick, that isn't a lesbian it's a bisexual. It's like people think we are there to be converted. Going to say something I said once before, one day i'm going to make a game where straight men are converted gay by surprise butt fucks, see how they like it.

This one is an extreme turn-off to me too, but for different reasons. I personally don't mind the lack of realism, but to me it's the very definition of anti-climactic, the ultimate boner-killer, the ice-bucket challenge for my dick. It's like the hero of a classic fantasy RPG starts the game slaying dragons and demonlords and ends up fighting a single blind goblin in the final boss battle. It turns something hot and exciting into something trivial and boring.

I have to admit, I quite enjoy it the other way round, though in that case, it has to mean something for the characters involved. "I don't fully understand why this happend, but I can't get her out of my head" is a good response for a first lesbian encounter. "I'm not normally into girls, but for the lack of dick I tried it this time" is very bad one that can instantly ruin a game or movie.

Another thing that pisses me off are lesbian bait scenes, where the lesbian sex is just a performance for a male character and all the story evolves around the straight couple with lesbian scenes being only a side distraction. If a game has the lesbian tag, it should focus on the lesbian content.

 

[HoneyHotDog]

Doesn't need to be a charmer but someone that just talks like a rational person without stammering out his words or spouting absolute nonsense.

I may not go for blokes but they do still flirt, or at least try to, and nothing is less attractive than someone looking like a deer caught in the headlights while getting confused about what to say. I try and be polite but usually end up telling them either spit it out or piss off.

I find awkwardness annoying. Overconfidence isn't attractive either but at least they get to the point. It's not just men, some women are just as bad only they make it worse by trying to act cute while doing it. While we all love cute things it's off putting when they are trying to flirt, failing miserably and all I ca think of doing is saying Awww while patting them on the head.

I'm aware how bitchy this all makes me sound but i'm not that bad, i'm just impatient. It's worse when it's in a story because you can't pretend to ignore them and talk to your friend so you end up stuck reading a car crash conversation and it always leaves me thinking why?

Why do some writers have to make MC's that are painfully uncomfortable to read. I remember someone saying it's something Japanese women like so it may be a culture thing but it's just something I personally dislike.

But Ava! I-I don't know what to say! I've never had any woman be interested in me, but now it seems like the entire town wants my d! All the tits thrown at me actually broke me!- awkward MC.

 

[Avaron1974]

But Ava! I-I don't know what to say! I've never had any woman be interested in me, but now it seems like the entire town wants my d! All the tits thrown at me actually broke me!- awkward MC.

I give you points for making me laugh and giving me the image of a bloke running for his life as a gang of crazy girls chase him throwing padded bra's at him.

 

[おい！]

To explain further on what consider to be no logic examples:
1) A father cannot sleep and so has to get up, he then has to look in on his daughter who is frigging herself off in the bedroom. He then has to do some other tasks before returning upstairs to the re-enter his daughters bedroom and to watch her finish frigging herself off. He makes the choice of one of 3 options and now has a raging hard on because, watching his daughter and then has to go to the bathroom and chooses 1 of 2 options to get rid of his hard on. All of a sudden from nowhere dad wants to shag his daughter etc..............
2) A guy goes to stay with his cousin and of course as soon as he has met her he wants to shag her, but she is not interested in that. He finds out that he has a disease that can be only cured by shagging x number of women, the only way he first gets to shag his cousin is giving her sleeping pills and raping her while she is asleep. She wakes up in the morning and does not realize that she has been vaginally and anally shagged etc..................
3) A father meets up with his ex partner and the decides he going to shag both his daughters as well etc.....
I could go on, don't get me wrong I have no problems playing any type of game, but IMO there is no logic to most porn games.

 

[ilyo]

Stop calling me out, I'm feeling a bit guilty. :FeelsBadMan:

You don't have to worry because some players like it, and I didn't have a particular game or dev in mind when I answered.

 

[Domiek]

Also, the reason the MC often comes off as the villain is that the Dev doesn't take the time to set up a plausible reality in which things can happen

Sometimes when the scope is big, like in my game, there's just not enough hours in the day to do a realistically paced story for each character. For Amy alone the proper story just leading up to the first sexual encounter would have probably taking me 3/4 months to complete. However, having a full-time job, family, and 6 other characters to also develop, you end up eating that ginger clam after only a few interactions.

It is a fantasy after all. As others have mentioned here, I don't mind porn logic as long as it's consistent with the rest of the world that the dev created.

 

[Domiek]

As a dev, this just pisses me off. You obviously don't know shit about what goes into making a game. The days spent just tossing words at the paper till you find something that really resonates. The hours spent painstakingly posing or drawing your characters. The slog of waiting for renders to finish. The stressful process of implementing your code only to spend an hour looking to see what's wrong and finding a missing semicolon. You're damn right that you see a lot of projects that don't see a return get abandoned. That kind of labor is not something to scoff at, even in a crap game.

Agreed. People calling a lot of devs out for "Cash-Grabbing" is a bit irritating. Sure, some may be in it for that. Most of those who are in it for a quick buck barely make it past a couple of updates before giving up. Majority of devs put a lot of time and work into making these games.

I make more in a single day at my job than I did in the first 4 months of my game combined. No, I'm not a high powered lawyer or something, it's just the pledges weren't very high. Despite this we still keep making the games, putting 40+ hours a week on top of our real jobs and family commitments. Yes there are some devs making a living off this, or even some like Dark Cookie who's rocking $45k a month. Most of us however would be lucky to even be making the equivalent of minimum wage doing this. We do it because it's a hobby that we enjoy and nothing feels better than getting a message from someone saying how much they liked playing your game.

 

[caLTD]

In other threads like this, I'm try to explain with my broken English. We are after no so lame excuses for fucking all girls in the game.

All game genres has own justification systems.

In Need For Speed series you can do what every you want with your car and your car does not broke. Never. Are you complaining to the EA about this ? Or are you prefer a broken generator in middle of the race ? Perhaps flat tire ?

In all fps. You fire thousands of bullets. And your chest does not pain, how many of you fire 100 rounds in a situation from real Assalut Rifle (like H&K G3). And your gun does not degrade (umm perhaps some rpg's has weapon degrading systems). Every bullet you fired are perfect. No gun jam. Every heal item gives you same amount of healing effect. You may get 10 bullet wounds and lost almost all your blood. Then use health kit (what ever it is) after 10 seconds you return your perfect heat status. I did not hear any complaints ?

This is a fantasy environment, if you want to hard core realism go your beautiful life and live your realism.

Sure our genre needs more workable cliche's, better writing, better assets. More effort than just using daz assets.

And all of those games you are complaining are experiments for those better this and that.

ALSO

We have to find way working in teams. No body can do everything perfect. For me I'm good at getting things working together. I'm nearly complete a unity 3D thing can mix lots of Internet resources in to 3d VN.

However writing good fiction (and in foreign language) is still problem.

Creating good characters are still problem. Telling a story in a good cinematic language still problem. Preparing good live able environments still a problem. Scene lighting still big problem. Adding realism like hour of day and correct lightning still problem.

Most other games trying to solve reason problems with dialogue. I had 3d and no limit for scenes. So I want to put a towel scene for increasing heat and reason for talking about man & woman things. So I had to search proper environment for 2 weeks and that thing was broken and I have to have fix that in blender 3d.

Realism is good, putting more realism takes time and I'm afraid we don't have that. I'm putting every available time I had and still not point what I want to see in my game.

So ? criticism is easy but art is difficult.

 

[DarthSeduction]

2) A guy goes to stay with his cousin and of course as soon as he has met her he wants to shag her, but she is not interested in that. He finds out that he has a disease that can be only cured by shagging x number of women, the only way he first gets to shag his cousin is giving her sleeping pills and raping her while she is asleep. She wakes up in the morning and does not realize that she has been vaginally and anally shagged etc..................

First off, I know what this game is but haven't played it. At first was gonna disagree with you, because cousin based incest is not something we would have a psychological barrier for unless you and your cousin were just always together growing up, and by always I mean as often as you'd be with a sibling, but once I realized you were talking about My Absolutely Not Cute Cousin I realized, yeah, totally, you're right.

Sometimes when the scope is big, like in my game, there's just not enough hours in the day to do a realistically paced story for each character. For Amy alone the proper story just leading up to the first sexual encounter would have probably taking me 3/4 months to complete. However, having a full-time job, family, and 6 other characters to also develop, you end up eating that ginger clam after only a few interactions.

I think people underestimate how much can be accomplished in a single scene. Putting this next bit in spoilers because anyone who hasn't played The Deluca Family yet should drop whatever they're doing, including witnessing the birth of their first child, to play it right now.

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In my own game, Seraphim Academy, I have Elizabeth, Alison, Brooke, Milla, Erin, Karina, and Sarah as main interests to flesh out. In two releases I feel I've done a relatively good job of letting you know who Alison, Brooke, Milla, and Erin are. Sarah and Karina will get more fleshed out later, but I have also been dropping hints to who they are, what they'll be like. Elizabeth has had two scenes in which I've given you a peek at who she is so far, but with this next update you'll get a lot more out of her. Meanwhile, you'll also learn a little more about Brooke, and a lot more about Erin and Alison, and a side character, Apple, gets to have a bit more development than I even planned for her to have originally... in fact, that character wasn't in the story until my final draft.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Lesbians all want cock is one that really pisses me off. I know bringing my personal feelings into a game shouldn't happen but sadly a lot of men think like that and they annoy me. When I see the tags "Male Protag" and "Lesbian" I usually find some character labeled as lesbian and wanting the MC's dick, that isn't a lesbian it's a bisexual. It's like people think we are there to be converted.

It's sometimes done not so badly, like in

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, by example. Here the girl is not lesbian but bi-curious (except that for once she's curious about cock). This said, the opposite it also true. Is there a single straight girl in porn games that isn't secretly bisexual ? Actually it would be good for you if it really worked like this, but alas no. If she's straight, she's straight, whatever how good looking she is.

Going to say something I said once before, one day i'm going to make a game where straight men are converted gay by surprise butt fucks, see how they like it.

View the way some react when one of the character is hermaphrodite, I want to read the thread for this game Just straight ass pegging, or even just small ass play, is so repulsing for those guys...

Sex breaking someone mentally. That's not how sex works. It's usually a Japanese thing (funny how they are behind all things wrong in porn)

It's not especially that they do it wrong, it's more a question of culture gap.
By example, while in Europe torture sex is historically a punishment (Hail the Inquisition and witches hunting), in Japan it was more an entertainment. In both case it was in fact something that didn't happened this much, but it traveled through the ages and is now perceived as an average occupation at this time. The difference can also be found through the Arts. While in Japan you can found many illustrations of bondage coming from the ages, in Europe almost only Sade passed it through the time.
It's the same culture gap behind the awkward reaction of the guys. They tend to keep their feelings for themselves. Few kids will goes full tantrum like it can happen in the western world ; it would be a real shame for the whole family over many generations. So, when come the time to express their love, they just don't know how to do it.
You can also found this difference in the classical girl next door who's the best friend of the male MC since first grade. In western countries, if a young boy have a girl as best friend, he'll be bullied like hell. But in Japan it's something normal.

 

[Ataios]

It's sometimes done not so badly, like in

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, by example. Here the girl is not lesbian but bi-curious (except that for once she's curious about cock). This said, the opposite it also true. Is there a single straight girl in porn games that isn't secretly bisexual ? Actually it would be good for you if it really worked like this, but alas no. If she's straight, she's straight, whatever how good looking she is.

The most realistic (or least unrealistic) way to change a character's orientation in either way is certainly to assume that she was at least subconciously bisexual all the time. If the change is from straight to lesbian I think it works best in a setting where homosexuality is still a taboo, so the character had a reason to surpress her lesbian urges. If the change is from lesbian to straight, the character could be fairly young with a first sexual encounter resulting from experimenting with female friends.

Anyway, personally I can only find the change from straight to lesbian exciting and hot, while a change from lesbian to straight will always be a boner-killer for me, regardless of realism.

 

[GuyFreely]

I don't think anyone is arguing for absolute realism. By phrasing it as porn game logic, we are establishing that it is not regular logic. We are all willing to accept a bit of fantasy for the sake of enjoying the game. I think the intent of this thread is how far can you push that? At what point does it become too much to just accept? I think different people have different tolerances and that's kind of what we're discussing.

 

[HopesGaming]

There are no limits.
A game can be as batshit crazy as possible without any major limits (or any).
Have the aunt look like a younger version of the mc, make the family treat you like you the husband even if you're the youngest (or second youngest) in the family. Have the penis as big and long that you can turn off the lights in your room without standing up. Turn your sister into a bat with a penis and a strapon and molest your uncle with a baseball bat.
I mean, they already out there.

The only time it can go wrong is when you do not embrace the batshitness.
(Like making a serious game based on realism just to have some unlogical shit happen out of nowhere.)

It's all about embracing the batshitness.

 

[DarthSeduction]

View the way some react when one of the character is hermaphrodite, I want to read the thread for this game Just straight ass pegging, or even just small ass play, is so repulsing for those guys...

You could probably get a good preview by checking out my thread,

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, male MC gets face raped by his father in the first scene, most people were able to understand why I did it, but there was one total freak out.

 

[GuyFreely]

There are no limits.
A game can be as batshit crazy as possible without any major limits (or any).
Have the aunt look like a younger version of the mc, make the family treat you like you the husband even if you're the youngest (or second youngest) in the family. Have the penis as big and long that you can turn off the lights in your room without standing up. Turn your sister into a bat with a penis and a strapon and molest your uncle with a baseball bat.
I mean, they already out there.

The only time it can go wrong is when you do not embrace the batshitness.
(Like making a serious game based on realism just to have some unlogical shit happen out of nowhere.)

It's all about embracing the batshitness.

Mmmm, yes and no. You can do just about anything in a game if you provide the framework. If the game was complete nonsense start to finish, then the player can tell pretty quick if they want to go along with it. I think it's most frustrating when a game starts "normal" and then just nonsense bits pop up now and then seemingly at random. As long as whatever batshit insanity you have is explained or has a purpose, you can get away with a lot.

 

[9thCrux]

There are so many damn logic flaws that make me drop games, most of them just make games cringy, annoying, repulsive, tedious, offensive, and/or dumb.

Inconsistent personalities; like some NPC described as smart and capable but reacting and making decisions like a blind monkey.

Careless and reckless characters; most of times you find them jumping into an obvious problem or dangerous situation, doing it out of arrogance, ignorance, or spite. Is like seeing some rag-doll that gets thrown around incapable to comprehend the consequences for his/her actions.

Dumb characters; those that do stupid things from the beginning, like doing things that defy any common sense reaction or decision. Example: "NPC1: Look your daughter is getting raped! NPC2: What? I think he's just being friendly with her. NPC1: No, can't you see!? His penis is going inside her anus! NPC2: You may be wrong, I ask her later. NPC1: What!? Are you a blind cunt!? Go try to be a mother and protect your baby! You retarded monster! XD

And so many more...

 

[DarthSeduction]

Mmmm, yes and no. You can do just about anything in a game if you provide the framework. If the game was complete nonsense start to finish, then the player can tell pretty quick if they want to go along with it. I think it's most frustrating when a game starts "normal" and then just nonsense bits pop up now and then seemingly at random. As long as whatever batshit insanity you have is explained or has a purpose, you can get away with a lot.

Have you played Deluca Family? Because that's exactly what it does, it very seamlessly combines over the top campy extreme stuff with down to earth serious and heartfelt stuff.

Inconsistent personalities; like some NPC described as smart and capable but reacting and making decisions like a blind monkey.

*cough* Anna's Exciting Affection *cough* *cough* Katie's Corruption *cough*

 

[HoneyHotDog]

I don't think anyone is arguing for absolute realism. By phrasing it as porn game logic, we are establishing that it is not regular logic. We are all willing to accept a bit of fantasy for the sake of enjoying the game. I think the intent of this thread is how far can you push that? At what point does it become too much to just accept? I think different people have different tolerances and that's kind of what we're discussing.

Agree, my dude. Although I do appreciate the effort to make a heartfelt porn game, I can't help but think about how heartfelt it would be to fuck every girl in the story, and tell every girl you have the deepest connection to each and everyone of them. Like a build up to a disaster eventually.

There are no limits.

The only time it can go wrong is when you do not embrace the batshitness.
(Like making a serious game based on realism just to have some unlogical shit happen out of nowhere.)

It's all about embracing the batshitness.

While I would like to agree that there are no limits, as to no limit to what is even consider a 'limit', I'm simply asking what specific limit is for each individuals. For instance, you stated that the limit for you (although indirectly) is a serious game that breaks it's own realism by including illogical shit out of nowhere.

In fact, I actually made this post wanting to read different answers from each person since everyone has a different limit obviously. To my surprise, I actually find it quite interesting how tolerate some people are when it comes to porn logic, and how much people want 'semi-realism' in a porn game, when at some point of the game, the MC will end up fucking someone without facing social consequences, or psychological changes. So there is, I'd say a limit applied to different individuals, but not as the law for the in-game universe.

I'm actually really curious as to how one can prevent themselves from breaking their own in-game law in any heartfelt porn game, since heartfelt means you share a bond, a strong connection with a partner, and not 10 other women you say the exact same thing to. Doubt any woman who has a heart would be eager to share his partner with 9 other woman that you repeat the same "Babe, I love you" to, and not leave your ass. You'll be hearing some heartbreaks for sure to keep inline with that universe's law. :FeelsBadMan:

 

[HoneyHotDog]

You don't have to worry because some players like it, and I didn't have a particular game or dev in mind when I answered.

I was only joking, fret not. I actually made it long just so I can make one horse joke. XD