What is thy limit to porn logic?

[DarthSeduction]

I'm actually really curious as to how one can prevent themselves from breaking their own in-game law in any heartfelt porn game, since heartfelt means you share a bond, a strong connection with a partner, and not 10 other women you say the exact same thing to. Doubt any woman who has a heart would be eager to share his partner with 9 other woman that you repeat the same "Babe, I love you" to, and not leave your ass. You'll be hearing some heartbreaks for sure to keep inline with that universe's law. :FeelsBadMan:

If established correctly, it's really not all that hard to make a heartfelt romance work within the framework of fucking around. I would say Dreaming of Dana got really close, though I think that it made some sacrifices in trying so hard to be a life sim when it really wasn't one.

In my own game I aim to establish a heartfelt romantic bond between Evelyn and both Alison and Erin, as well as sexual relationships with several other characters and a possibility of at least one more romantic connect, but I am not sure how I'd work that one into the narrative. I do this by making Eve honest about who she is to the people around her and making the people around her come to their own decisions about it.

In the next release, as a part of Eve trying to figure out how to connect with Erin, who is sheltered due to her own drama, Eve shares with Alison and Brooke a huge part of her outlook on relationships. She talks about how she used to resent her father after her parents divorce. Her mother had something to do with this of course, bad mouthing him, but the big thing for eve was the revolving door of girlfriends. She thought he was some sort of Gigolo who didn't care about women. But, in the meantime her mother marries and divorces 3 more times. She takes a critical look at her parents and their lives, seeing that her father is happy, his girlfriends are happy, she even notices that some of the ones she thought were little flings a long time ago would come back. Her mother on the other hand is miserable, and in some ways shares that misery with Eve.

This revelation paints Eve's psyche going forward. She's very careful with the L word, and when she does let someone in, she is up front and open about how she is a polyamorous person. It will be up to Alison and Erin then, to decide if they can deal with that or if they need to have her all to themselves. Of course, if you mess things up with them, they'll say no, but since my game isn't using point values, and is instead like an old school adventure game, or the more modern story games like Life is Strange, where you use clues and data gathered throughout the story to better interact with people and get positive outcomes.

 

[khumak]

Personally, I find it hard to see most open relationships as being believable. It's one thing if you're both swingers and get off on watching each other fuck someone else. But if it's only 1 of the 2 being promiscuous I just can't see it. Either the monogamous one is ok with it because they simply don't care, or they do care but did something comparably bad in the past (or present) so are willing to put up with it. In both cases it's not much of a relationship.

That said, it's such a common fantasy that I think most people are just willing to overlook it and pretend that the other person really is ok with it.

I do think there are some exceptions though. For instance in my case if my wife or girlfriend wanted to get it on with another woman I'd be ok with that, but only if I could watch. But another guy? No way in hell. I freely admit to being a total hypocrite though on the flip side. If she wanted me to fuck another woman or do an MFF threesome with me I'd be all over it as long as she was ok with it. Not behind her back though. And if she did want that I still would not be ok with anything involving another guy.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Personally, I find it hard to see most open relationships as being believable. It's one thing if you're both swingers and get off on watching each other fuck someone else. But if it's only 1 of the 2 being promiscuous I just can't see it. Either the monogamous one is ok with it because they simply don't care, or they do care but did something comparably bad in the past (or present) so are willing to put up with it. In both cases it's not much of a relationship.

That said, it's such a common fantasy that I think most people are just willing to overlook it and pretend that the other person really is ok with it.

I do think there are some exceptions though. For instance in my case if my wife or girlfriend wanted to get it on with another woman I'd be ok with that, but only if I could watch. But another guy? No way in hell. I freely admit to being a total hypocrite though on the flip side. If she wanted me to fuck another woman or do an MFF threesome with me I'd be all over it as long as she was ok with it. Not behind her back though. And if she did want that I still would not be ok with anything involving another guy.

You're not at all alone in that, most people wouldn't be ok with it. But that's why it's important for the writer to make it clear what makes this different. Either the MC has to have made their intentions clear from the start and then the writer makes it clear what is going on in the other characters' heads to paint their justification of it, or the partner has to clearly be, in some way, "worshipful" of the MC. Whether that be through training, in a master/slave relationship, or in a crazy way, like Ashley from Harem Hotel or your average Yandere, and then the MC has to make clear that she shares or gets nothing.

The thing that has to be accepted though isn't so much porn logic, as it is the concept of Serendipity. Movies, games, and books make use of serendipity all the time. People conveniently run into one another, sometimes they'll use some sort of fate like reasoning behind it even, for instance, there are no coincidences, only the force. It would be convenient if a person were to suddenly move into a place with two beautiful people who would be open to such a relationship.

However, one of the things that is going to be relatively clear in my game is that Eve doesn't expect them to be loyal to her. In fact, she's going to walk in on one of the girls that there will be a sexual relationship with in this next release, and still later choose to have that sexual relationship when the opportunity arises. Another girl, I'm already seeding, is hoping to have a sort of relationship with one of the teachers, and she'll also be found out by Eve, but they'll keep going. So, the fact that Alison and Erin don't is gonna be more about who they are than Eve making them make that choice.

 

[khumak]

Here's another thing that bugs me in a lot of games, cartoonishly massive boobs. Seems to be especially common in games by asian developers. I wonder if it's something to do with asians just being smaller in general than other races (I mean overall, not just boobs specifically).

I don't just mean big tits or implants, I mean so big that there are no real world equivalents because doctors won't put implants that big in anyone (like watermelon sized). To me that's as immersion breaking as males with 3 foot long dicks. Even if the game is otherwise good I just can't get myself to play it. By all means put different body types in there but at least keep them within the realm of possibility unless it's clearly some sort of magical transformation or whatever.

 

[W65]

We obviously accept porn logic up to a certain point, then we simply cannot fap because of how immersion breaking that logic is.

I've never encountered and can't think of a situation that I would describe that way. There is literally nothing that could happen in the "story" that would be so stupid or unbelievable that it would counteract well-developed porn that hits on fetishes I like.

It sounds like another way of saying that story isn't important to me in porn, but that's not really true. I guess what I'm trying to say is that logic and even plot isn't necessarily integral to the porn experience.

I mean, the answer is going to be completely different for every individual. Look at extreme insertion. I don't like it, but not because it's literally and blatantly impossible. It just isn't interesting to me in and of itself: stomach bulges larger than the person's body, that kind of thing.

I dunno. It's interesting to see people trying to get to understand how other people look at porn, which there is a lot of in this particular board. I sorta do feel like it's one of those things you have to have an intuition for; it's a thing you have to explore empircally rather than being able to deeply understand what exactly is floating other folks's boats.

 

[GuyFreely]

Agree, my dude. Although I do appreciate the effort to make a heartfelt porn game, I can't help but think about how heartfelt it would be to fuck every girl in the story, and tell every girl you have the deepest connection to each and everyone of them. Like a build up to a disaster eventually.

I agree there can be some disparity between falling in love with ten girls at the same time. I think you can establish a somewhat genuine story that involves a classic love triangle, you might even be able to push it to three love interests. It becomes exponentially harder to believe the more interests you add. If I was personally working on a harem style story, I wouldn't try to convince anyone that there was true love between the characters. It would be more along the lines of the MC is just irresistible and can ultimately have as many conquests as he likes. It becomes even easier to believe if you add supernatural elements to the story. The MC is half incubus, the MC invented a "love" potion, the MC has mind control, things like that. It's absurd, but in the context of a fantasy story it can help your brain accept what's happening.

Here's another thing that bugs me in a lot of games, cartoonishly massive boobs. Seems to be especially common in games by asian developers. I wonder if it's something to do with asians just being smaller in general than other races (I mean overall, not just boobs specifically).

I don't just mean big tits or implants, I mean so big that there are no real world equivalents because doctors won't put implants that big in anyone (like watermelon sized). To me that's as immersion breaking as males with 3 foot long dicks. Even if the game is otherwise good I just can't get myself to play it. By all means put different body types in there but at least keep them within the realm of possibility unless it's clearly some sort of magical transformation or whatever.

I'm sort of accustomed to cartoonishly large boobs (too much anime maybe). The thing I find fascinating is that, even in my own brain, the qualifier for "big boobs" changes when it's a real person versus a 2D or 3D model. To explain, a model I would consider to have very big boobs in real life, if that same proportion is maintained and transferred to digital space, they suddenly don't seem that big. So I am able to tolerate much bigger boobs on fantasy characters. I first noticed this in Skyrim when adding CBBE models to the game. I think this goes back to my ability to separate real and fantasy in my mind that not everyone seems to do based on other posts. I can have entirely different expectations depending on the circumstance and they don't conflict. There is still a point at which even I get a bit put off by absolutely humongous boobs, but I think it's higher than others.

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[Segnbora]

With specific regard to the polyamory/swinging/open relationship/cheating/NTR/cuckold/whatever continuum, the more games I play with one or more of those storylines the more I realize that most of them suffer from the fundamental flaw of leaving either the MC's or the MC's significant other's motivation a mystery, or at least a pile of contradictions. And it's something that's increasingly damaging my enjoyment.

Consider three very different games that explore some of those concepts: The Adventurous Couple, Because I Love Her, and Triangle.

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[GuyFreely]

With specific regard to the polyamory/swinging/open relationship/cheating/NTR/cuckold/whatever continuum, the more games I play with one or more of those storylines the more I realize that most of them suffer from the fundamental flaw of leaving either the MC's or the MC's significant other's motivation a mystery, or at least a pile of contradictions. And it's something that's increasingly damaging my enjoyment.

Consider three very different games that explore some of those concepts: The Adventurous Couple, Because I Love Her, and Triangle.

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Bad writing is bad writing. I guess someone who makes a "hi, what's your name? want sum fuk?" kind of game is at least being realistic about their writing ability. It does bother me when there are these disconnects between a story's premise and the character actions. I had a whole thread about games where the MC is supposedly in love with a girl but proceeds to rape her. Either you are making a love game or a rape game, pick a side. Sure, you could have a game where you are in love with a girl and then rape her and that causes a huge mental conflict, but that's an even more intricate plot to pull off.