What turns you off about a game almost immediately?

[LionInDarkness]

To my mind, a black character done right is just a character written like any other. Character, not caricature.

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That is honestly all devs need to do but we never get it. I just played a game where the mc is some generic white guy and his best friend is a black guy who barely looks it. His friend is around a ton for some reason and i was putting up with it but one time you go in the room and he got a gold grill in his mouth rapping, i had to turn the game off. 90 percent of the time all a dev has to do is make a person and just make him a black guy but 99 percent of the time he's a played out black bull, thug, bully, or cucker. that 9.9 percent is the best friend. The .1 percent is the mc of Alpha Omega.

 

[LionInDarkness]

Fascinating! Could you provide some particularly egregious examples? Also, could you recommend some games with black characters done right?

I really dont need to provide examples because most art and a few games have the bulls and cuckers. A good few games have the generic black popular bully. The black best friend is evvverywhere, there are so many games I've jumped into where everything is cool and all of a sudden the mc's phone goes off, someone comes over the house, he comes into town and low and behold "the black bestfriend." Its sad that there are 2 or 3 games that come to mind where there is actually a black mc and the 2 main ones arent finished, the third one i cant remember the name of. Atm the best black mc i've come across is Alpha Omega which of course might never get finished.

 

[Satyrsfaction]

1 year late, but have to know: what is that "Valerien" thing about? (f95zone: no results)

Is it by any chance anything related to Valérien et Laureline? (one of the best comic series ever)
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uuuh, while I am here - and just been watching a little of "Coupling", ... now I can't help but wonder:
Has anyone ever built a lewd game with a feature equivalent of laughter track ?
You know, that shit you get whenever it says "recorded in front of a live audience"

that'd be the epitome of worst. worst-issimo.

Yes, I mean the character Valérien from the comic, but in my case
it's about the choice of actors for the film. I didn't think he was suitable.
As a little comparison - comic vs movie:


In my opinion, Milo Ventimiglia would have been a great fit,
but I don't know how old he was when the film was shot.

 

[Nobody Cares]

I really dont need to provide examples because most art and a few games have the bulls and cuckers. A good few games have the generic black popular bully. The black best friend is evvverywhere, there are so many games I've jumped into where everything is cool and all of a sudden the mc's phone goes off, someone comes over the house, he comes into town and low and behold "the black bestfriend." Its sad that there are 2 or 3 games that come to mind where there is actually a black mc and the 2 main ones arent finished, the third one i cant remember the name of. Atm the best black mc i've come across is Alpha Omega which of course might never get finished.

Will check out Alpha Omega, thx!

 

[Geigi]

FMC game that's not written from a woman's pov.

 

[Sphere42]

FMC game that's not written from a woman's pov.

Not sure what "a woman's pov" is supposed to mean here but on that note: blatantly false hype for the (usually female) MC. The intro tells me this is an experienced adventurer, but then all the "content" is getting defeated and raped by common bandits, goblins, the most blatantly obvious stun/sex drug trap ever. Nothing against people who are into such content but at least the game could admit that FMC is a pathetically weak useless ditz from the start so I can avoid it. Or if you want to break a strong character, make the bad guys actually earn it!

 

[Nobody Cares]

Not sure what "a woman's pov" is supposed to mean here but on that note: blatantly false hype for the (usually female) MC. The intro tells me this is an experienced adventurer, but then all the "content" is getting defeated and raped by common bandits, goblins, the most blatantly obvious stun/sex drug trap ever. Nothing against people who are into such content but at least the game could admit that FMC is a pathetically weak useless ditz from the start so I can avoid it. Or if you want to break a strong character, make the bad guys actually earn it!

Which is what I did in Queen of Phalli, my FMC is a pampered princess who never fought anything more dangerous than her appetite.

 

[lossius]

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Being a black man myself too, I almost completely agree with what was mentioned here, my only different point is about black women, I usually go after them, but it's a shame that they almost always have bad personalities, or few scenes...

It really sucks that every black man that appears is related to a bully and NTR (by the way, the other day I went through a game where the MC was black (ultra rare), but a guy was complaining that "This is a NTR game" when in fact he based his opinion on the images and, seeing that the MC was black, he automatically assimilated NTR, see how bizarre the situation is that black people are in adult games?)

Another crazy example is the most recent game I'm playing, where the black bully is called Tyrone (....) and I already thought: "ok, if there's a black woman she'll be called Shanice? Shaniqua, Tasha or similar?"
AND I WAS RIGHT. Ahhahahahahah wtf

 

[whowhawhy]

Not sure what "a woman's pov" is supposed to mean here

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[Sphere42]

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How exactly does that apply to porn games though? What separates deliberately unrealistic settings, artistic liberty and just blanket bad writing from the specific "woman's pov" issue? A lot of male MCs are rapey psychos but clearly most of those are not written from a radical feminist's twisted mindset but rather as a power fantasy or out of ignorance by male writers, so what's the difference?

 

[whowhawhy]

How exactly does that apply to porn games though? What separates deliberately unrealistic settings, artistic liberty and just blanket bad writing from the specific "woman's pov" issue? A lot of male MCs are rapey psychos but clearly most of those are not written from a radical feminist's twisted mindset but rather as a power fantasy or out of ignorance by male writers, so what's the difference?

otome games with excplicit sex / reverse harems, etc.; fmc not made purely to be (male) player's plaything to corrupt/get raped. i.e. fmc games that target male demographic being a turnoff. male power fantasy's idea of a sexually-active woman may not necessarily align with a female power fantasy, and they're in the same tag bag here, hence encountering them when looking for for women/by women stuff and being turned off by it.

 

[balitz Method]

FMC game that's not written from a woman's pov.

Other people have covered most of the obvious stuff, so getting down to specific gripes: yeah, this one is so common and always rubs me the wrong way. It's not some decree that all fmc games be written by women, just a plea for them to be written from the character's perspective.

For those who don't understand, think about it this way: most male main character games are overwhelmingly tailored to the main character, right? They tend to give him tons of special treatment and agency because the game is generally written assuming that you're latching onto him and seeing things from his perspective. His wins are your wins because they lead to things you both want. With female main character games (outside of otome games) it's much more like they're written from the perspective of a disembodied voyeur. From the smallest details, like always having a portrait of her up on the screen to leer at, up to the whole premise revolving around defiling her and forcing her into degrading situations, it's written assuming that you're not putting yourself in her shoes. Her losses are meant to be your wins; having things forced on her that she doesn't want is assumed to be what you the player want. Following that mantra, most things in the game are tailored toward tricking her or subverting her desires.

I'm not even against games that put the PC into degrading situations, what I want is for the game to be written with the assumption that you can identify enough with her to want her to win. It's more than past time that lewd games moved past the idea most/all h-content in fmc games should be a punishment forced upon her.

 

[balitz Method]

male power fantasy's idea of a sexually-active woman may not necessarily align with a female power fantasy, and they're in the same tag bag here, hence encountering them when looking for for women/by women stuff and being turned off by it.

Honestly I'd take something like that over another identical virgin-or-rapefest style of game. Guys tend to write power fantasies where women lose all their power.

 

[Sphere42]

Honestly I'd take something like that over another identical virgin-or-rapefest style of game. Guys tend to write power fantasies where women lose all their power.

Yeah this is my comprehension issue with the original point. I hate those "corruption" games (and Game Over Rape is even worse, purely for the non-porn reasons). But I (male btw) would gladly take "male power fantasy but MC has bobs&vagene" and at least some games allow that option without locking you out of all the sexual content, and I definitely wouldn't describe that style as "a woman's pov". Meanwhile I could see some of those "passive rape doll FMC" games as actual by-women-for-women implementations of the supposedly common rape fantasies, even though my cynicism tells me that almost certainly isn't the case especially for Japanese RPGM games.

 

[LordSHadow9623]

Any fomr of censorship, period. Ruins the game entirelyu for me because all i will ever be able to see is the weak ass censorship being forced on us for no reason at all and will be completely consumed with anger and hatred towardsa all those responsible.

 

[LionInDarkness]

Will check out Alpha Omega, thx!

Well written, nice renders, muscle women, good black mc....sigh its a shame it has almost no content and again, might never get finished like most of the truly amazing games

 

[Dessolos]

forced Loli or character I consider a loli or if a forced relationship makes me uncomfortable. It's why I dropped Little Regina. Most other things im okay with for the most part but I do have limits just depends on the context

 

[LionInDarkness]

Being a black man myself too, I almost completely agree with what was mentioned here, my only different point is about black women, I usually go after them, but it's a shame that they almost always have bad personalities, or few scenes...

It really sucks that every black man that appears is related to a bully and NTR (by the way, the other day I went through a game where the MC was black (ultra rare), but a guy was complaining that "This is a NTR game" when in fact he based his opinion on the images and, seeing that the MC was black, he automatically assimilated NTR, see how bizarre the situation is that black people are in adult games?)

Another crazy example is the most recent game I'm playing, where the black bully is called Tyrone (....) and I already thought: "ok, if there's a black woman she'll be called Shanice? Shaniqua, Tasha or similar?"
AND I WAS RIGHT. Ahhahahahahah wtf

I use to be fine and just enjoyed the adult art and game world with no preferences but as i got older I noticed the insane amount of interracial everything movies, shows, art, games, nsfw art, nsfw games the list goes on. I personally can't play as a pale guy and fuck a black woman but thats just me and i know very few care. Black women always have no scenes or plot because they aren't really characters, just a fetish box to check.

Agreed, making it sadder is that there have been a few nice models that go to waste so it can be yet another throw away asshole in a vn. Hmm? What game was it? Im not surprised someone mistook a game with a black mc as a ntr game because thats one of the top roles we get in vns. Imma be honest, I was told about a game and I was shocked that it wasnt ntr or some shit because of the way the mc looked.

 

[Render Rookie]

Poorly done renders, broken or poor English, an MC that I can't relate to for one reason or another, and/or a story that either doesn't flow well or makes zero sense.

Other than that, I'm up to try any game.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

I tolerate it because it's so commonplace, but MCs who are serial liars and cheaters--they seduce 11 different women simultaneously and almost never fully disclose to most if not any of their LIs. "I'm fucking the mom and aunt and daughter, this will inevitably lead to disaster, better not come clean to anyone about it". Look, just apply "harem logic" instead of forcing the character to sneak around and lie all the time. I don't want to play a lying manipulative sex addict ALL the time.