VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Let me put it differently. When Ice Cube was part of NWA and heard the stories and was hanging out with the rest of the crew. He came up with lyrics and songs based on the lifestyle, Or so it was told or something along those lines ( don't know much about that but am using it as a mere example, He was accused of stealing their lifestyle or something and being fake again no idea what is or is not true, merely example here ).

Based on that assumption, did they write his songs or his lines ? or did they ghost write for him ?
My point is, that even if at the start he may have pitched him a summery, at the end of the day Regium his first chapter, his chapter 1 had nothing to do with Summers Gone, not even set in the same universe ( I have played the first release )
On chapter 2 it's release chapter 1 was reworked, you had to start over. Only way we can go about this, is if we can find that actual initial release and chapter 2 release and compare to the release 2.5Beta.

The only time there was a universal connection was when it was brought up by the both of them eventually after it was mentioned that he was brought in to help ( which was initially just for the rendering, as he himself said, nothing changes story wise, which did end up happening later )

So if you are asking me if I am saying that Ocean lied about being there from day 1 and being the writer of it, then yes I am saying that is a lie on the writing part.
There are only a few things I can take out of this in terms of scenario's

1. Regium had his own story and the story was changed when Ocean got on board hence yes he had a hand in its writing but that came later and not from day 1. Which means yes he did have a hand in its writing but only later on around Ch2. Which means it is a half truth.
2. Regium never existed in the first place, Which in that case he is fully correct and he did have a hand in writing since before SG's conception.
Which would be crazy, because guess who also had many computer issues after WiAB Ch4 release.
( not gonna do some conspiracy theory and such, just being a smart ass here but yeah Ocean also was having issues )

However crazy enough, him going so hard on that was only after Regium decided to completely stop and wanting nothing to do with the game. Which makes it very easy to be able to make claims left and right without of course anyone being able to ask or question anything. Now to be clear I got no hate for Ocean, He makes a good game has amazing renders and etc. But that does not change the fact that he made so many contradictions in terms of speeds of release and what not. Which is the only issues I got. But I have supported him for quite a bit on and off during his whole WiAB all the way to Ch6 until his full rework was announced. ( I rotated support for dev's every few months or so, for Ocean I stayed the longest )

But let me say it differently, based on everything I brought forward and stuff I did find, there is nothing showing that Ocean was part of it or there from the beginning either. So I could say that at the very least Ocean decided to make it his own completely after it was abandoned by Regium.

EDIT: Also from the again from my first screenshot, Ocean's own words were " I was there when He ( Regium ) wrote the story for Summer's Gone and I influenced it too " Mean's Writer Regium. And later contradicts himself. Kind of weird isn't it ? Influence does not mean write, you give someone a direction or advice, but at the end of the day, the actions and the work are of the person putting in the work or creating it.

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Now can we talk about this after you've make an excel spreadsheet of the differences? I honestly can't be bothered downloading them all to check myself, it was boring enough finding them.

 

[yossa999]

While I love the scandalous reports and shocking investigations of the Saturday Night Live at WiAB thread show, one thought lingers in my mind.

Someone under the nickname Ocean (or former Oceanlab on zone) has been publishing development reports for at least four years, releasing updates for both games, communicating with players on Discord, and, until recently, communicated on this forum.

During this time, he showed that he could easily continue both stories, modify the plot of both games, change old characters, add new ones, change the appearance of the characters, rework graphics completely. In general, do whatever he wants with both games.

I'm not saying now whether these changes were for good or bad, that's a matter of taste, anyway, in both games there is little left from what was there four years ago. Besides the basic plot. Yes, it was changed, modified and fixed throughout development, but overall both games remained what they were originally. Yes, most of the hardcore dark stuff was removed from the SG, but the key plot points remained there. Yes, you can spam the entire forum with complaints what a shitty MC the W.Z. has become now, but this is still the same game about a dude and his nympho ninja girlfriend who returns home to his fucked-up family unit and immediately finds himself drawn into a whirlpool of crazy events.

And so I thought, whoever is hiding under the nickname Ocean, over the years he has clearly demonstrated what he can do, including the role of a scriptwriter. But I haven’t heard anything since then about the supposedly real author of the genuine Summer's Gone story and haven’t seen the results of their work. This, of course, does not prove anything and in reality anything could happen, a group of people could be hiding behind Ocean’s accounts, or Regium might have been an Ocean's alternative account, created for marketing or fuck knows what else purposes. And at some point he got tired of maintaining both identities and decided to simplify his life by allowing Regium to disappear. In short, the devil knows. This is the Internet, here anyone can be anyone.

There is one thing I am sure of. Whoever runs official Ocean accounts makes two of my favorite games over the years. Therefore, in any controversial issues, I will trust his words, and everything that contradicts his statements will be classified as funny theories to me until there is one hundred percent evidence of their correctness.

 

[Gold613]

In your options, you didn't add:

3. Ocean gave Regium a story outline or a script, which Regium fleshed out into Chapter 1 of a game he developed and released (and this is what Ocean says he did). Regium would have no need to acknowledge this.

In this scenario, the basic story premise and characters belong to Ocean, regardless of Regium developing chapter 1 to suit his own tastes.

"I was there when He (Regium) wrote the story for Summer's Gone and I influenced it too." If that exact sentence was in Ocean's native German and if Ocean didn't state he was doing a favor for a mate to help him develop his own game, I would take it more literally. Again, the sentence doesn't preclude Ocean giving Regium the story outline/script, which Regium then molded into Chapter 1.

At least you are on record calling Ocean a liar.

While I am always open for an option 3 or even 4 or more. I believe this is contradicting when you "I was there when He (Regium) wrote the story for Summer's Gone and I influenced it too." If that exact sentence was in Ocean's native German and if Ocean didn't state he was doing a favor for a mate to help him develop his own game, I would take it more literally.

but say " Ocean gave Regium a story outline or a script, which Regium fleshed out into Chapter 1 of a game he developed and released (and this is what Ocean says he did). Regium would have no need to acknowledge this. "

Because if we can use the German as an excuse for one you can also use it for the other.

So if we were to give me a more in my opinion 3rd option that would be. If Ocean may have provided him with the basics of story writing as in formatting, content length, bullet points to keep with consistency.

Sure, he had as much influence as the guy asking Elon Musk about the gas and the booster situation. At that point in time.

And to be clear on a few thing, English is also not my primary language.

Now can we talk about this after you've make an excel spreadsheet of the differences? I honestly can't be bothered downloading them all to check myself, it was boring enough finding them.

Doubt ill be doing excel sheets, but I do appreciate you finding them and given that I am currently sick with admittingly fuck all to do anyways. ill get to the playing, would have been great if 2.5 was also in there. but this will do for now.

EDIT: Not sure I can do much with 3 as at this point obviously Ocean already fully took over which I just realized . but ill take it anyways

 

[Gold613]

While I love the scandalous reports and shocking investigations of the Saturday Night Live at WiAB thread show, one thought lingers in my mind.

Someone under the nickname Ocean (or former Oceanlab on zone) has been publishing development reports for at least four years, releasing updates for both games, communicating with players on Discord, and, until recently, communicated on this forum.

During this time, he showed that he could easily continue both stories, modify the plot of both games, change old characters, add new ones, change the appearance of the characters, rework graphics completely. In general, do whatever he wants with both games.

I'm not saying now whether these changes were for good or bad, that's a matter of taste, anyway, in both games there is little left from what was there four years ago. Besides the basic plot. Yes, it was changed, modified and fixed throughout development, but overall both games remained what they were originally. Yes, most of the hardcore dark stuff was removed from the SG, but the key plot points remained there. Yes, you can spam the entire forum with complaints what a shitty MC the W.Z. has become now, but this is still the same game about a dude and his nympho ninja girlfriend who returns home to his fucked-up family unit and immediately finds himself drawn into a whirlpool of crazy events.

And so I thought, whoever is hiding under the nickname Ocean, over the years he has clearly demonstrated what he can do, including the role of a scriptwriter. But I haven’t heard anything since then about the supposedly real author of the genuine Summer's Gone story and haven’t seen the results of their work. This, of course, does not prove anything and in reality anything could happen, a group of people could be hiding behind Ocean’s accounts, or Regium might have been an Ocean's alternative account, created for marketing or fuck knows what else purposes. And at some point he got tired of maintaining both identities and decided to simplify his life by allowing Regium to disappear. In short, the devil knows. This is the Internet, here anyone can be anyone.

There is one thing I am sure of. Whoever runs official Ocean accounts makes two of my favorite games over the years. Therefore, in any controversial issues, I will trust his words, and everything that contradicts his statements will be classified as funny theories to me until there is one hundred percent evidence of their correctness.

That is completely fine with me. I am pretty sure I have not said anything about his games being crap or what not, I have however merely pointed out what was there in the beginning vs what is being said. And still is a he said they said she said whatever said. Never said anything about the games. I did however say something about him and promises he made before but that is beside the point. So yeah I believe we agree on everything else. and I think I said it before, if I see a release great and if not great. However one thing I will always disagree on is the part of how SG and WiAB always had been connected.

 

[John972]

Just so you can make your comparisons:

Ch1 Beta
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Ch3 Beta
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Now can we talk about this after you've make an excel spreadsheet of the differences? I honestly can't be bothered downloading them all to check myself, it was boring enough finding them.

I have replied here:

https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-12751186

While I don't agree with Gold613 about the origins of the SG story, he is correct that Ch 1 and 2 had no overt connection to WIAB (I say "overt" because none of us are privy to what was was originally planned for the future when the story was first conceived).

 

[yossa999]

That is completely fine with me. I am pretty sure I have not said anything about his games being crap or what not, I have however merely pointed out what was there in the beginning vs what is being said. And still is a he said they said she said whatever said. Never said anything about the games. I did however say something about him and promises he made before but that is beside the point. So yeah I believe we agree on everything else. and I think I said it before, if I see a release great and if not great. However one thing I will always disagree on is the part of how SG and WiAB always had been connected.

If everyone, including me, you and Ocean, is lucky enough to live a very long life until he finishes WiAB and SG, we will be able to resolve this dispute. Ocean once said that he had the plot of 5 games in his head (including WiAB and SG), and even named some abbreviations for the names of future games. So, if such a miracle happens and he starts the third game on the list, I will write to you with a light heart from the nursing home, "Haha man, who was right?"

 

[Gold613]

If everyone, including me, you and Ocean, is lucky enough to live a very long life until he finishes WiAB and SG, we will be able to resolve this dispute. Ocean once said that he had the plot of 5 games in his head (including WiAB and SG), and even named some abbreviations for the names of future games. So, if such a miracle happens and he starts the third game on the list, I will write to you with a light heart from the nursing home, "Haha man, who was right?"

If we are lucky enough to get that many games and all finished I would actually care less about being right honestly.
I would be happy if 2 of those gets done in our lifetime. I remember him mentioning he wanted WiAB to have 39 ish chapters and something similar for SG ( when he fully took over ) and after that wanting to expand in to 3D gaming.
Also screw sending me a message asking about who's right, send some pictures of your nurses so I can compare them to mine.

 

[John972]

While I am always open for an option 3 or even 4 or more. I believe this is contradicting when you "I was there when He (Regium) wrote the story for Summer's Gone and I influenced it too." If that exact sentence was in Ocean's native German and if Ocean didn't state he was doing a favor for a mate to help him develop his own game, I would take it more literally.

but say " Ocean gave Regium a story outline or a script, which Regium fleshed out into Chapter 1 of a game he developed and released (and this is what Ocean says he did). Regium would have no need to acknowledge this. "

Because if we can use the German as an excuse for one you can also use it for the other.

So if we were to give me a more in my opinion 3rd option that would be. If Ocean may have provided him with the basics of story writing as in formatting, content length, bullet points to keep with consistency.

Sure, he had as much influence as the guy asking Elon Musk about the gas and the booster situation. At that point in time.

And to be clear on a few thing, English is also not my primary language.



Doubt ill be doing excel sheets, but I do appreciate you finding them and given that I am currently sick with admittingly fuck all to do anyways. ill get to the playing, would have been great if 2.5 was also in there. but this will do for now.

EDIT: Not sure I can do much with 3 as at this point obviously Ocean already fully took over which I just realized . but ill take it anyways

See:

https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-12751186

I still have archive copies of all game versions and the changelogs.

What I meant about the original German, is that nuances can be lost when non-native speakers express themselves in English.

So, "I was there when He (Regium) wrote the story for Summer's Gone and I influenced it too." could be:

(a) literal, i.e. exactly what it says in English, or

(b) it could mean Ocean was there when Regium developed and fleshed out a story outline/plot into Summer's Gone Chapter 1 (i.e. "wrote the story"), after Ocean provided that story outline/plot to Regium (" ...I influenced it too.").

 

[Aldnoah Zero]

If everyone, including me, you and Ocean, is lucky enough to live a very long life until he finishes WiAB and SG, we will be able to resolve this dispute. Ocean once said that he had the plot of 5 games in his head (including WiAB and SG), and even named some abbreviations for the names of future games. So, if such a miracle happens and he starts the third game on the list, I will write to you with a light heart from the nursing home, "Haha man, who was right?"

Well, considering the miracle of A.I (with an exception of chat bots, something that is not new and pics with crooked fingers...)

Who knows, maybe... at least VNS can be accelerated...shortly.
WIAB and its development has always been a soap opera (I've been following it since the beginning...although I hate NTR)
The first version was very heavy ntr , Miru starts the game with a broken leg, and flirts with a doctor, even has sex with a jail criminal boss... a gang (brother... the girl from the cafe).. many others... even the fat cousin!

Although many consider VNs to be art and Ocean is a perfectionist , it is a business like any other in digital categories (Where delays result in lost money)
To make matters worse, it now becomes something of a moral nature (if there is no evidence to use it as legal court material)..Who did what, what is mine..
That's what I was missing!

 

[HentaiKami]

Well, considering the miracle of A.I (with an exception of chat bots, something that is not new and pics with crooked fingers...)
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Who knows, maybe... at least VNS can be accelerated...shortly.
WIAB and its development has always been a soap opera (I've been following it since the beginning...although I hate NTR)
The first version was very heavy ntr , Miru starts the game with a broken leg, and flirts with a doctor, even has sex with a jail criminal boss... a gang (brother... the girl from the cafe).. many others... even the fat cousin!

Although many consider VNs to be art and Ocean is a perfectionist , it is a business like any other in digital categories (Where delays result in lost money)
To make matters worse, it now becomes something of a moral nature (if there is no evidence to use it as legal court material)..Who did what, what is mine..
That's what I was missing!

Thing with AI is that it's already starting the incestual spiral, since there's so much stuff AI has done, that ends up being the material AI uses for reference, that it's getting pretty bad.

 

[TanyaC]

• You made a mistake and wasn't actually comparing beta to full
• You suck at comparing

I said that I downloaded this version, and I went to see the content and looked at the previous version, tell me, do you know what changed?
Everything in this version is in the previous version, even the scripts are the same size, nothing was added to the story, I got my last save from the previous version and when I opened it in this version the game ended as it had ended in the previous version....
Because I need to lie about something that hasn't changed at all, and don't tell me I don't know how to compare... I have the previous version and the folders and scripts are all the same as this version... you must be blind to say something wrong give this to me and say that I don't know how to compare anything, tell me what was added to the current story?
If my last save worked in this version and ended like the previous one.

 

[ArsenHumby]

I said that I downloaded this version, and I went to see the content and looked at the previous version, tell me, do you know what changed?
Everything in this version is in the previous version, even the scripts are the same size, nothing was added to the story, I got my last save from the previous version and when I opened it in this version the game ended as it had ended in the previous version....
Because I need to lie about something that hasn't changed at all, and don't tell me I don't know how to compare... I have the previous version and the folders and scripts are all the same as this version... you must be blind to say something wrong give this to me and say that I don't know how to compare anything, tell me what was added to the current story?
If my last save worked in this version and ended like the previous one.

Wrong, a flashback scene was added in the full ch.3 release, that and one of the girls got a gallery or somethinh like that. If only people bothered to read or search for info we wouldn't have this holier than tho monkeys going around

 

[TanyaC]

Wrong, a flashback scene was added in the full ch.3 release, that and one of the girls got a gallery or somethinh like that. If only people bothered to read or search for info we wouldn't have this holier than tho monkeys going around

flashback scene/ Do you think this is content, just a scene and just 1 addition to the gallery, who is interested in the gallery... I'm interested in content and story development.

 

[NoParking]

I'm new to this game, please tell me miru and the dad didn't do anything with each other

 

[Jarulf]

Weird discussions here aside, this was an absolutely amazing update. I had only played up to chapter two so far, so had to start a new game. I didn't mind that one bit.
Interesting story, very complicated relationships with believable characters, lovely women (though I'm more of a small boob fan), and ridiculously beautiful renders.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

I'm new to this game, please tell me miru and the dad didn't do anything with each other

 

[NoParking]

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Owshi thanks for the heads up, this is a good game but I think it's really not my type of story I think I'll stop playing. But keep up the good work dev

 

[The Krogan Dude]

Owshi thanks for the heads up, this is a good game but I think it's really not my type of story I think I'll stop playing. But keep up the good work dev

All NTR content will be optional. It won't happen if you don't allow it.

 

[NoParking]

All NTR content will be optional. It won't happen if you don't allow it.

I see, I just finished the current update so it won't hurt to try the next update thanks

 

[zainon]

nooooo! dana was my fav LI. i like her thiccc body! but visual(face, hairstyle) wise and character wise? i prefer the OG dana. dang it