When I read it the first time, it didn't strike me that much, i only thought she was referring specifically to Helen.
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interesting thoughts.
when MC mentioned the story with Monica, I also thought he wasn't talking about Leia when he said he realized who the one he really liked was, it felt too obvious.
200%, brotherI'm not going to continue with replying about this as we've both stated our bit, and it is interpretation. THe good thing about Ocean's writing is it allows a lot of ambiguity specifically to string us along, and we're likely to be both wrong once he pulls the curtains back on any particular situation.
And the other good thing about his writing is that it is in depth enough to make us curious and passionate about the outcomes, despite the wait.
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I have high hopes for the next update and what this conversation between William and Leia will entail, don't think it will become sexual but starts then Leia/Miru cheating path.I guess we'll find out more about Leia and Willi in the next chapter - Ocean wouldn't leave us hanging without showing us what goes on behind closed doors when WIlli gets there ...would he?
I'm more raising the issue that's some of these things aren't clearly stated, so they're open to interpretation - we end op justifying what we believe. The old WiaB Willi just had things happen to him, there wasn't anywhere near the level of self-reflection or self-awareness. I guess that's one thing good (in my opinion) that working on SG has done for WiaB, it's got a lot more weight behind decisions and actions now.
THe thing is, Katie and Willi know what Katie had blackmailed/threatened him with. Leia doesn't (if that's who Katie is talking about), so Leia might think it's all about her and Willi. But since he's come back Willi isn't really being that circumspect, not caring who's in earshot when talking to Leia, so ...I don't know. There might be other angles or I'm overthinking it. Katie can't threating Willi with telling Leia about Willi's feelings though, Willi would laugh at that.
The religious organisation might have connections to Daphne also, and Dana's brother being in prison might be because of the things the organisation is doing. Which means that if Dana needs to bat for Willi in court, her dad and brother will have some leverage.
The religious organisation might be more alongside the dark money side of things, not a specific church/cult, but people funnelling things through local organisation, using fundamentalism as a way to control pawns.
So many things is up to interpretation that is hard to even come up with theories because there is not enough foundation, is compelling and infuriating at the same time. I only play the old one once and skipped a lot of it so dont feel that I cant say much, but I agree old William was kinda bland.
The whole Katie blackmail thing is very confusing to me, with exactly what she blackmaied him and with what end.
I also get the felling that Daphene will enter the story because of this church thing.
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That won't start any cheating path. It will be a long ass time before anything happens (if it does) between Willi and Leia. My hope is that Daphne comes back with us (despite Muri's protestations), and that will most likely start any cheating path...if that doesn't happen, then I imagine (as Ocean is following the old story/structure), then it will start with either Donna (again) or Gina/Zoe paths and most likely on the camping trip again.
keeping everything so mysterious keeps the players interested for a while, but it doesn't make sense if players are supposed to identify with the MC, as the MC knows everything he talks about, but the players are still left in the dark. and honestly, the updates are so far apart from each other, that players might feel completely disconnected as they forget the small nuances and still don't know anything.
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That happens in pretty every story ever told...same with films. You start to read/watch...about a pre-conceived character, that already exists, already has skills, knowledge of things, relationships etc.
Will people please stop spouting that nonsense.
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I don't think that conversation will become sexual either - Willi and Leia shouldn't have makeup sex for their first (presumably) encounter. I'm not so interested when paths start, but there is bound to be a lot of useful information about how they both survived after Willi left.
I guess once Willi and Leia talk, we might have a clearer idea of why Willi left. But if my thoughts that Leia doesn't know what Katie was threatening William with (because of the 'her' line, separate to telling Helen or Dylan) are valid, we won't know that until Katie starts trusting Willi. I actually love how Katie inherently wants to be doing things with Willi, but then gets suspicious - it's like her baseline instinct is kinda positive towards him, and she tried to convince herself not to like him. It also makes me think that younger Katie had no idea what she was really doing, or the implications.
That's my thinking too regards Daphne. We also have no idea what Daphne actually does for work.
Wasn't Daphne one of the confirmed LI's? Or am I just projecting? I can't imagine he's put all the detail and emotion into her character only to have her as a phonecall away. The lines from the script when Willi and Daphne talk about him leaving have a lot of NTR and sharing variables. I doubt Ocean plans on only using the NTR and open relationship variables purely for conversation colour, and Miru has Daphne on the bottom of her list for an open relationship, so I'm convinced drama is there to be had.
The number of renders Ocean's already teased has setup a bunch of interesting scenes, at this point I'm slightly more interested in WiaB's next chapter than SG.
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It seems to me that problems with characters like Zoey, Dana, etc. will appear much later than sex. Precisely when feelings, resentment and the desire for revenge come into play. But it seems to me that evil's soft first touches will begin with the next chapter. Precisely with Leia.No, it won’t be sex, a lot of time will pass before it. But the ground is perfectly prepared by the way Leia treated Mira, her body language and William’s body language, their trips together. And now William will be left alone with Leia at least until late at night. Or maybe until the morning.....In the meantime, Mira will spend the night with Katie, they will obviously have a lot of time to chat, and Katie might drop a few hints about William and Leia. Just out of spite. One way or another, even if you don’t go along Leia's path, Miru will still receive the first hesitations and jealousy.
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Agree, agree and agree.
Yes, iirc Daphne is a confirmed LI (or was at least).
As for SG, that's never grabbed me like this did. Still waiting for Full 5 to release before carry on, it's not even in my top 10 though, this has always taken precedence and favour over SG. If this died tomorrow I'd be sad for a while. If SG did...I really wouldn't think about it all that much.
not every story. some actually explain things as they are unveiled. world building and storytelling are on a spectrum. it's not all black and white. you can reveal stuff without breaking curiosity and interest.
if we take this story as an example, MC comes back to his hometown after leaving for a decade. obviously he doesn't know the current situation, and he doesn't know the future, like the audience... but he knows about his own past, and all the other characters' past too, except for the things that were kept from him. hiding literally every single thing from the players will only work for so long. it can also mean that the author is not as confident about the depth of the story to begin with. because if you think about it, being on the same as your MC, for the most part, is not a bad thing in itself. you can build upon that, and the players/readers can be in on the ambiguous and vague conversations the characters have. only betting on "big" reveals later will diminish the impact of actual big reveals.
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So...just like here then....
If this is going to be another 7 hour back and forth on you not understanding something and trying to make your point...then please...let's just call it here right now.
nope, not like here. in this story, very little is unveiled or explained, for now. you barely get crumbs. you get more ambiguity after each update than any explanation or reveal. that's also why I consider Miru as the co protagonist, as the player is closer to Miru's knowledge of the whole situation, than MC's.
if you want a good example of an AVN that revealed stuff as they were unveiled, and where the players had about the same level of knowledge as the MC, you can look at leap of faith. plenty of stuff still hidden, plenty of good reveals, but things players found ambiguous were also ambiguous to the MC.
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I have a few guesses, without solid ground.
1.Dana’s boyfriend is a hidden gay.
2. Helen launched the spiders herself.
3.Dylan will give that car to William.
4.Gefritzel recognizes Leia as a master, along with Willie.
5. William didn’t want to say in front of his mother that he knew how to use a weapon.
6. Katerina is the most innocent, Helen is the most vicious.
7. Perhaps either William or Miru will get a job at Katie’s college.The Zanes clearly have a criminal interest in college.Future ZPR.
8. William’s story will have many parallels with Miru. We still have to get to know her crime family, especially future mother-in-law.
9. Uncle Joe may have something with Leia.
10. Katie’s love for sweet sauce is a hint to her masochism.
11. Jessy(Dona)- Dylan's gf.
1.Dana’s boyfriend is a hidden gay.
2. Helen launched the spiders herself.
3.Dylan will give that car to William.
4.Gefritzel recognizes Leia as a master, along with Willie.
5. William didn’t want to say in front of his mother that he knew how to use a weapon.
6. Katerina is the most innocent, Helen is the most vicious.
7. Perhaps either William or Miru will get a job at Katie’s college.The Zanes clearly have a criminal interest in college.Future ZPR.
8. William’s story will have many parallels with Miru. We still have to get to know her crime family, especially future mother-in-law.
9. Uncle Joe may have something with Leia.
10. Katie’s love for sweet sauce is a hint to her masochism.
11. Jessy(Dona)- Dylan's gf.
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Yeah I'm not seeing half of those...
1. Possibly, unlikely
1. Why?
3. Likely
4. Dafuq?
5. Distinclty possible
6. Not for long if I have anything to do with it....
7. ???
8. First part no...second..maybe...but may not even be required to know her family. She obviously not close to them.
9. Bwahahahaha
10. *shakes head*
11. See No 9
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Williams snake doesn't love anyone exept William.Especially Miru. It will be funny if she feels normal around Leia.
Last ch SG.It was hint,that Willy or Miru participated in college life. Jenna even mentioned William's backshots and Leia's help.
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I understood your comments...just no clue why you came up with what you did especially No4. Sounds more like fantasy thinking than anything hence, my...dafuq.
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11 and 7 are tied together: Donna is a counsellor at Kat's college. I don't think 'Jessy' and Dylan are a thing. But Donna is important for what's going on at the uni. She's a counsellor, maybe tied with the religious group? Previous story arc before the rework was Willi was going to go undercover for Abigail as a coach/fitness person to check out what was going on that was fishy. One of Kat's professors is dodgy, so Willi and Miru have reason to check it out anyway, whatever the new version has going on. The Zane's don't necessarily have a criminal interest - they have an interest in finding out why Kat's being freaked out/avoiding college, and they know something's wrong.
Not saying they won't take an opportunity, but I think the future will show that they used the college to become legitimate, rather than as a new front for the drugs.
8. Which one of Miru's crime family?
mi "I agree with Gina. If one party plays outside the rules... The other has to do it, too."
mi "That's how we did it in Japan."
BTW Something I missed from SG - Leia also went to the book club, but hasn't been in a while. I wonder if we'll see some of those characters in WiaB, maybe as college students or part of Leia's club?
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Sorry, sometimes I think more fast than I write and thought has wrote something and did not. the cheating that was talking was more of an emotional kind, where William realize that he's too has deeper fellings for Leia and its torn by it.
For me the information that hopefully will be disclosure is more important too, but I am curious to see how some road will open up, like WTF is Helen doing ?
This we disagree, for me Leia was well aware of what Katie knew and what she wanted to do, and she thoughted that they could handle it. Katie, I admit that I dont quite get the apeal that she has and am not much interest in her, but I do like her character and agree, she want so much to be bestie with William but is afraid to ger hurt, again. But she for me she knew damn well what she was doing.
That may be, I sadly can't get the script to this scene, but I believe that the person who replied to me did so. It seems to me that "Her" is a distintic person than Helen and William seemed more concern with the possiblite that Katie whatever it was to "Her" than to their parents
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What do you mean Leia/Miru cheating path.??If you choose the open relationship path and agree to a 3some with William Miru and another guy i don't see the cheating anywhere... Unless you are talking about the monogamous relationship with Miru and MC cheat on her with Leia ..which is something that me personally is against it