Yeah, I would like that Willy brings Daphne with him. I like her. But on the other hand I like Miru too. Well, I hope they find a way to make peace... I would like to see some characters from SG too. Nojiko, Maria, Amber, they are much younger there, but they exist.
In order to get Daphne with him there need to be a solution to the gang activity/ presence in the town otherwise it's not going to be safe to do that...
100%. I'm not expecting the path to follow the same progression, after all, it's already different, but the charcaters and their basic motivations are pretty similar. I think the next full chapter will get us to the point where the character's stories and tension will at least equal or exceed what existed before, even if the plot hasn't.
Heh...yeah now you mention that, Daph's parents being involved there is just too obvious isn't it? hehe....either way, agree, we need more Daphne for sure.
Oh i know, but it doesn't remove the fact that he did bully her quite brutally when the three were together. Leia would bear more blame for that and is bigger arsehole due to it, but doesn't make MC not be arsehole. Unless they have been remorseful and tried to make amends of the situation. Though currently it seems like MC's girlfriend is the one that is actively pushing for MC to make amends for it.
You realise people can and do change when in the presence of others right and do stuff they wouldn't normally do?
everyone knows what happened between MC and Monica... and Monica also hates Leia anyway.
Leia got the major part of his time for sure, but MC seems to have spend enough time without her to bond with the others enough that they still remember and like him enough even after a decade.As far as good friends, I don't think Leia really allowed anyone to be friends with Willi. I think she monopolised his free time. Willi might also just be a horn dog and not realise he's subconsciously hunting the whole time. But leaving home at a young age will break off all contact; life changes fast in those years, and he missed out on the kinds of friendships that solidify as you mature into an adult. Half of his banter feeling out of place is simply he doesn't know Kat, Zoey, Mon, Katie, Leia, Gina or Dana as adults. His first reaction to Dana is to draw their younger frame of reference into being with the Jabba comment. He doesn't know these girls well - he used to. So he's half plying them with the attitudes of a teenager, because that's all he remembers - that's maybe where some of the asshole/insensitive comments come from. His interactions with Daphne seem much more balanced, while Miru's baby talk is cringe worthy but incredibly believable from a bunch of dovey morons who are oversexed
Leia had his number stored as 'WZ' in her phone, and he is an author of erotic novels - so chances are she being obsessive stalked him down long ago and chose when to call. Willi wasn't hiding, so much as he left. I think Leia other than being obsessive was also rather bitter that he left, so she didn't want to be the first to call and appear weak. Pure conjecture from me, but there's nothing certain other than Helen's accident seems far earlier than when Leia called, as the investigation wouldn't be closed so quickly and no one would've adapted that quickly.
I think it's easiest for people to make their own minds up what is intended at this point. All 'm going to consider now is there is an official release with all the relevance it needs
Oh yeah, 100%. But that doesn't mean it's the whole story. The context and the details are unknown. It might indeed be straight forward, but given what WIlli said about Katie and her most fucked up plans to annihilate people (some of which is projection I know), chances are she expanded on the threat. How she made a childhood infatuation such a problem (I can almost guarantee there will be no flashback content of lewds - pre rework, Willi'd never done anything with Leia, and Katie even brags Willi tasted her before he has gotten to Leia.
Winning while the spider then owns their apartment is actually losing to the entire spiderdom. The VN could've taken a steep dive - instead of Leia, it's Sigorney Weaver telling them to get out, they only come at night.... Miru gets pregant with a spiderchestburster
Actually, maybe Ocean did think like this and it was the inspiration for the tabletop scene in SG
I hit my reaction limit, so I can only react like this. More Daphne will make things better, without doubt
NiceLeia got the major part of his time for sure, but MC seems to have spend enough time without her to bond with the others enough that they still remember and like him enough even after a decade.
yeah, he uses their shared memories a lot at first. but he also pushes their current buttons too. he plays with the image they have of him, to lead them where he wants them. For me, the private talks he had with Daphne, Miru and the girl at the gas station is his current real baseline.
Katie might have been very cunning with her plans in their youth, but it was from the perspective of a young boy too. We don't actually know her current level. it might be that her cunning mostly came from her large creativity that she pours into cloth design now, and not really twisted plan making.
and yeah, Helen's accident happened quite some time ago. everyone already is used to it. but to me, it feels more like Leia got MC's number recently but pondered for a while whether to call or not. she didn't have the resources to track him down until after she stabilized her business, and even finding the time to do that might be stretching it.
You're comment about baseline is also what I was getting at - his interactions with almost everyone are kinda falsely extroverted, at first I thought it was incosistent, but now I think it actually makes sense to his underlying character. He's mostly neutral when talking with strangers (Donna, Ben, the girl at the petrol station). He's trying to draw the connection out with people who's known from the past. The people he's comfortable with like Miru and Daphne (and probably Dylan) he just goes with his mood. After the initial awkward moments with Dana, he kinda quickly goes to his more baseline approach, while with Gina, he keeps up the banter because she does. Monica is a difficult question, because when he did her in the kitchen, he was actually into her, and he left her there when he realised he wanted Leia more. So there was attraction, he didn't use her from the start, and they both were into it. I'm guessing he doesn't know how to act around her and keeps putting his foot in it, but he also seems too smart not to realise what his words sound like to her.
The AI will be both a team and the lead. Haven't you heard the Jensen Huang's latest claims?
Monica does not Hate Katie ... Katie could speak with her not that she would learn anything ...And i was speaking generally ,the MC does not have motive but maybe Leia's competitors have something to do with it...
Well yes that's my though, unless he starts hiring more graphic designers to accelerate the process, he will take years and years to conclude one game let alone he's working on 2 simultaneously
Thanks for this !I hit my reaction limit, so I can only react like this. More Daphne will make things better, without doubt
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I think also, when Willi and Miru talk about their detective stuff, they show their baseline. Miru clearly loves baby talk, but it's part of her play with Willi - but when they're both focused you can see their more normal intelligence levels. So yeah, Willi does mask his personality behind the way he talks with people a lot.
I'd say Helen's accident is recent, but maybe in the months old category. Leia had WZ stored in her phone, it didn't show her dialling a numbe she found written on a piece of paper. And she has Emilio, who is good at finding out secrets with his connections. We have to assume Emilio either got his connections by working with Leia (in which case she has the network to find stuff out) or she's employed him to be her network so she doesn't have to go around finding stuff out. Check through Emilio's reactions to Willi, he's never really surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if Emilio knows things about Willi that he didn't tell Leia, based on the way he said not to make eye contact, and told the girl off for saying Willi is hot. Chances are he found out a lot about Willi while finding his phone number.
So given that Emilio probably has also been around for a while, I'm thinking Leia didn't call Willi at the first opportunity, but at the point it suited her. She knows more about Helen than she says, and she doesn't actually act like she really wants to solve that - she's got another goal for having WIlli there, most likely just as someone external that she can trust, except she's too obsessive and bitter to trust anyone.
he could perceive a change in her behavior once MC came back, and probably also when she asked him to track him down. and the time it took her to actually call him is very revealing too. Emilio might have looked into MC more after he arrived too. but being the kind of guy he is, Emilio knows when to stop his curiosity for his own sake Where did I say that Monica hates Katie ?
The point I'm making about the phone call (and then I'll shut up about it): Leia didn't have the issue with Helen, exhausted every avenue, then went searching for Willi's phone number. Given her obsessive nature, marking the number of days in their anniversary, starving herself when he left etc. She would've found his number to try to control when she wanted to speak. I'm sure when the situation happened with Helen, at the latest, she looked for his number, but couldn't bring herself to call it straight away. Two scenarios: 1. Leia has an ulterior goal to do with why Helen had an incident ie Helen's situation is collateral damage to Leia's plans. She does seem that cold to her family. 2. It took her that long to use the number she'd found on her phone, because of anger, resentment, sadness whatever. Or a mixture of both. I'm not sure she really does want to get to the bottom of the matter, as she's not being honest with William anyway - she's asked him to find out things she could already on her own. She could have gone to Abigail on her own, I think she sent William to Mon simply to make him feel awkward - there was nothing to really learn there. The family don't actually seem to be taking it very seriously, they've adjusted life around Helen.Thanks for this !
Imho, Leia having MC's number saved on her phone with his initials doesn't really mean anything other than she didn't want to let the number get lost on a simple piece of paper. As a very busy person, she would easily take the most efficient action. Everyone agrees that she didn't call him as soon as she got the number. but i don't think she chose a mopent that would suit her. that doesn't exist. she still resents him and tries to avoid him as much as possible. She called because she exhausted every other possible solution she could think of. she called because she had no choice if she wanted to get to the bottom of the matter.
Emilio is very perceptive and intelligent, he didn't really need more info, he could piece together roughly what MC is to everyone, and especially his ice queen boss
I hit my reaction limit, so I can only react like this. More Daphne will make things better, without doubt
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I think also, when Willi and Miru talk about their detective stuff, they show their baseline. Miru clearly loves baby talk, but it's part of her play with Willi - but when they're both focused you can see their more normal intelligence levels. So yeah, Willi does mask his personality behind the way he talks with people a lot.
I'd say Helen's accident is recent, but maybe in the months old category. Leia had WZ stored in her phone, it didn't show her dialling a numbe she found written on a piece of paper. And she has Emilio, who is good at finding out secrets with his connections. We have to assume Emilio either got his connections by working with Leia (in which case she has the network to find stuff out) or she's employed him to be her network so she doesn't have to go around finding stuff out. Check through Emilio's reactions to Willi, he's never really surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if Emilio knows things about Willi that he didn't tell Leia, based on the way he said not to make eye contact, and told the girl off for saying Willi is hot. Chances are he found out a lot about Willi while finding his phone number.
So given that Emilio probably has also been around for a while, I'm thinking Leia didn't call Willi at the first opportunity, but at the point it suited her. She knows more about Helen than she says, and she doesn't actually act like she really wants to solve that - she's got another goal for having WIlli there, most likely just as someone external that she can trust, except she's too obsessive and bitter to trust anyone.
Excellent, excellent posts Bob...
Thank you, out of reacts so I'll reply - I might be so far from the mark (I mean everyone likes their own theories or they wouldn't own them right?Excellent, excellent posts Bob...
), but the joy of Ocean's games is trying to guess in advance - so even if I'm wrong, the most satisfying way to play the games is to look for all the intentions, all the things hidden in our peripheral vision etc. The majority of the game is the misdirections and wild goose chases Ocean sends our thoughts on.
Couldn't agree more...I'm pretty much with you on all you have said, very much on the same wavelength.Thank you, out of reacts so I'll reply - I might be so far from the mark (I mean everyone likes their own theories or they wouldn't own them right?
I don't want to argue that William could b e involved in Helen's accident and i never said that Monica hates Katie... I said that Leia told MC that he has to speak with Monica because monica hates her as much as she despised MC for what she did...Katie needs Leia's help my friend so she will tell her the truth and she does want to find out the truth...As for the suspicion Leia has for her father ... Personally i don't see why would he want to harm her???where is the motive??
it seems you are confusing what I say, maybe you read too quickly.
