VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[KiryuKazuma095]

About Leia, it really depends on who the 'her' is in that dialogue. If it's Leia, then she didn't know, or only knew part. Katie, might have known on paper, but she was around 12 when Willi left. 12 is not old enough to understand all the consequences. She blames Willi for leaving repeatly and for being a coward, so clearly she didn't think he'd leave, she didn't think it was serious enough to have that sort of effect.

But untill all these different things get revealed, the script is being pretty unclear. THere might have been a whole chain of events, not one singular thing.

I've put the images here, because I can't work out how to access the unpatched script (I've played with the patch)

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There's a couple of lines of dialogue I skipped, but basically, Katie threatened to spill so beans about xyz to 'them' (patched it's Helen and Dylan) and then Willi says he's not talking about her spilling the beans, then Katie, refers to 'her' as distinct from them. THe implication is that whoever 'her' is, doesn't know about 'xyz' and is someone else other than 'them' (as the 'well' acts as a modifier/qualifier of what's been said just previously).

It's pretty vague.

The rest of the scene is worth checking out - it implies xyz is something different from Willi and Leia's relationship, as all three were involved.



Well there's likely to be multiple cheating paths - Miru has very much said no to anything open with Daphne, and would probably do the same for Dana, because Willi would get feelings. Most likely Willi would have to cheat to do anything with them. My guess is Miru would also say no to Leia for the same reason. But interesting that she is not against something open with Zoey and Katie. That implies she won't be surprised by Leia and WIlliam's past relationship.

William said 1 or 2 times in a dialogue that he can seperate sex from love , also if Miru agrees on the open relationship path ,that means that William will have sex with someone of the same mindset at least that is what it will happen in my opinion

 

[Maviarab]

as for sleeping with Daphne from what i saw in the current plot William and Daphne are friends and had never had anything sexual so i am not sure that William will go for that with her

Daphne is a love interest...btw....just to remind you.

 

[shamtiiomi]

i like all the theories so far but if you ask for my own and wich path i will take ,with new miru model this come to a nearly a tie fight but in the end or at least right now the only 2 women i see better than miru [and this is by the looks not by the characterdevelopment]is his mom and his aunt ,those 2 are on thei own league,[yeah i know i love big tits ass milfy women more than any other type] but is only a matter of taste nothing else,by now in the old one i prefered to go for the sharing path with miru in the prison , bcs again his model was too far worst than any other in the game....

 

[LHDLLB]

Unless you are talking about the monogamous relationship with Miru and MC cheat on her with Leia ..which is something that me personally is against it

That's exactly what I mean, not a fan of cheating either but I do think it will be a path in the game for it, as it also will feature NRT, what is not really up my alley but I have a save for it cause I am curious to see how Ocean will work it, Miru is such a wonderful partner that I am curious to see how it will play out

About Leia, it really depends on who the 'her' is in that dialogue. If it's Leia, then she didn't know, or only knew part. Katie, might have known on paper, but she was around 12 when Willi left. 12 is not old enough to understand all the consequences. She blames Willi for leaving repeatly and for being a coward, so clearly she didn't think he'd leave, she didn't think it was serious enough to have that sort of effect.

But untill all these different things get revealed, the script is being pretty unclear. THere might have been a whole chain of events, not one singular thing.

I've put the images here, because I can't work out how to access the unpatched script (I've played with the patch)

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There's a couple of lines of dialogue I skipped, but basically, Katie threatened to spill so beans about xyz to 'them' (patched it's Helen and Dylan) and then Willi says he's not talking about her spilling the beans, then Katie, refers to 'her' as distinct from them. THe implication is that whoever 'her' is, doesn't know about 'xyz' and is someone else other than 'them' (as the 'well' acts as a modifier/qualifier of what's been said just previously).

It's pretty vague.

The rest of the scene is worth checking out - it implies xyz is something different from Willi and Leia's relationship, as all three were involved.



Well there's likely to be multiple cheating paths - Miru has very much said no to anything open with Daphne, and would probably do the same for Dana, because Willi would get feelings. Most likely Willi would have to cheat to do anything with them. My guess is Miru would also say no to Leia for the same reason. But interesting that she is not against something open with Zoey and Katie. That implies she won't be surprised by Leia and WIlliam's past relationship.

Yes, I agree depends in who Katie is talking about and we have no way knowing that. Have not realise that she was 12, you are probably right, still... I am suspicious about Katie.

I like the ideia that she not blackmailed him with his and Leia's rellationship but something else, but as you said is so vague that could be anything.

Thank you for posting the scene thay I talked about.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Yeah hard to disagree with this. I actually feel a slight twinge of regret I love Katie so much now we have new Miru...she just...too godamn awesome lol. Definitely a solo path for her is needed...and then a path where we grind her down...mentally fatigue her and promise her 48 kids if Daphne, Kat and Katie moves into our bedroom with us cos, you know, we'll need the help

I actually feels the opposite. The new Miru seems so obsessively clingy (counts the days since meeting William, baby factory talk, unnecessarily antagonistic towards Daphne) that it crossed the line into the unhealthy territory.

But it's all good. Everybody interprets the situation differently.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah hard to disagree with this. I actually feel a slight twinge of regret I love Katie so much now we have new Miru...she just...too godamn awesome lol. Definitely a solo path for her is needed...and then a path where we grind her down...mentally fatigue her and promise her 48 kids if Daphne, Kat and Katie moves into our bedroom with us cos, you know, we'll need the help

I mean with the lack of father's in SG, someone needs to breed the next generation somehow I'm convinced I'll play every path just because of the effort to make all these characters amazing. I'm even on the fence about Mon (if it goes that way organically, not playing mindgames with her) Helen and Leia, who is my most disliked character. I'll probably save some of those paths for waiting on updates though. My main playthough is likely to be Miru or Katie for all the obvious reasons. I'm most interested to see Daphne's path develop though, as she and Miru both have a relationship with Willi that is based on his current self, not their mental construct of who they think he is from the past.

William made a strong arguament point on the subject... She knows that she has a high sex drive that William can satisfy but not without hurting himself (he said that ) that is why she either has the option with the open relationship or going to become a pornstar...The other solution is that she has to compromise her own sex drive with the MC's ...But that will probably cause other type of problems in their relationship as for sleeping with Daphne from what i saw in the current plot William and Daphne are friends and had never had anything sexual so i am not sure that William will go for that with her

If you don't chose the open relationship or NTR though, are those dialogues the same? Daphne is a LI and if you have the sharing variables chosen, you offer to pork her to solve her lack-of-sex problem. The dialogue about what Willi would do if Miru had a black baby (for example) happens if you have NTR turned on, so some dialogue only appears depending on choices.

William said 1 or 2 times in a dialogue that he can seperate sex from love , also if Miru agrees on the open relationship path ,that means that William will have sex with someone of the same mindset at least that is what it will happen in my opinion

That's how it all starts anyway. My guess is that the open relationship will escalate because feeling do develop and people are generally dishonest when they think they can have a long term fuck buddy without feelings. THere will be fallout, and that's why we all chose the open path right? All the complications it'll add are spicy for the story.

I actually feels the opposite. The new Miru seems so obsessively clingy (counts the days since meeting William, baby factory talk, unnecessarily antagonistic towards Daphne) that it crossed the line into the unhealthy territory.

But it's all good. Everybody interprets the situation differently.

I think Miru's baby talk is a mask, just like Willi's meathead persona (that he consciously projects to Leia in particular). When she talks seriously you can see it's just banter. Yes, she's smitten, but she's only told him Daphne's off limits, but is able to leave the two of them alone because she knows it's not healthy to destroy friendships. But I completely get that her mannerisms aren't universally liked.

 

[Fun Shaundi]

I actually feels the opposite. The new Miru seems so obsessively clingy (counts the days since meeting William, baby factory talk, unnecessarily antagonistic towards Daphne) that it crossed the line into the unhealthy territory.

But it's all good. Everybody interprets the situation differently.

This is curious to me. I personally saw the old Miru as the clingy one (in comparison to new Miru). On top of that, she lacked self control, she was very immature and her antics only made MC get into more trouble. The new Miru seems more mature, playful and in control of herself. She knows how to pick her battles, and instead of being the one getting MC in trouble, she seems to be voice of reason in some scenes.

 

[Doomyk]

Found a buried treasure.

Looks like a render from the devlog.

Ohh,oh, this hairstyle is so reminiscent of one person.Apparently, at least before the plot was reworked, William and Miru were definitely considered as the parents of Nika and Nami, but there the plot was more tragic. And now, at least William is alive.

 

[Maviarab]

This is curious to me. I personally saw the old Miru as the clingy one (in comparison to new Miru). On top of that, she lacked self control, she was very immature and her antics only made MC get into more trouble. The new Miru seems more mature, playful and in control of herself. She knows how to pick her battles, and instead of being the one getting MC in trouble, she seems to be voice of reason in some scenes.

Completely agree with this take. Wanting a lot of sex and babies, clingy does not make. She more than happy to go off and do her own thing when Willi is busy and only questions being left on her own when Willi goes to see Mon because he actually said he'd take her with him. Seen nothing in her new version to suggest she is clingy at all.

 

[SlapE]

Completely agree with this take. Wanting a lot of sex and babies, clingy does not make. She more than happy to go off and do her own thing when Willi is busy and only questions being left on her own when Willi goes to see Mon because he actually said he'd take her with him. Seen nothing in her new version to suggest she is clingy at all.

I never played the old version, but I also agree. I think once the new chapter eventually comes out... in 2025 probably. I will definitely be putting her in my top characters list, I absolutely love Miru. The only reason she isn't in my list right now, is because I didn't actually give this game a proper play, because I was skeptical, despite the good reviews, because of the infrequent updates. (Part in due to not being the devs only game)

I wanted to see if this would be worth giving a proper play once chapter 4 is released, so I skimmed through it and only read some scenes in full, but most of them I just partly read through. From what I saw though, I really really like it, and once chapter 4 drops, I'm definitely restarting and doing a proper full playthrough. I have a feeling I will not only have Miru in my top characters list when this happens, but also the game itself will make its way onto my list of favorites.

 

[Maviarab]

I never played the old version, but I also agree. I think once the new chapter eventually comes out... in 2025 probably. I will definitely be putting her in my top characters list, I absolutely love Miru. The only reason she isn't in my list right now, is because I didn't actually give this game a proper play, because I was skeptical, despite the good reviews, because of the infrequent updates. (Part in due to not being the devs only game)

I wanted to see if this would be worth giving a proper play once chapter 4 is released, so I skimmed through it and only read some scenes in full, but most of them I just partly read through. From what I saw though, I really really like it, and once chapter 4 drops, I'm definitely restarting and doing a proper full playthrough. I have a feeling I will not only have Miru in my top characters list when this happens, but also the game itself will make its way onto my list of favorites.

Goood....gooooood....GOOOOOOD muhaahahahaaaaaaa

I wonder how many of the other girls will make that list too? hehehe....Katie at No2 in my list and this is my number one VN heh.

 

[SlapE]

Goood....gooooood....GOOOOOOD muhaahahahaaaaaaa

I wonder how many of the other girls will make that list too? hehehe....Katie at No2 in my list and this is my number one VN heh.

I doubt the game will make my top 5, but possibly my top 10. As far as Miru goes, if her character continues to be amazing in chapter 4, then I have no doubt she will be in my top 10, if not top 5. Not sure if any other characters will make my top 25, but it's possible. I might have to expand my list to top 50 eventually, or at least add some honorable mentions. There's just too many LI's in these games that I love.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Unfortunately, every game has its drawbacks. For some it's crappy art but a good story, others have gorgeous renders but snooze-inducing talking. This is the third type, enjoyable story, solid visuals, and gets updated every few years

I would love to see the dev prove me wrong so we can play more, but I wouldn't gamble money on it.

 

[Maviarab]

I doubt the game will make my top 5, but possibly my top 10. As far as Miru goes, if her character continues to be amazing in chapter 4, then I have no doubt she will be in my top 10, if not top 5. Not sure if any other characters will make my top 25, but it's possible. I might have to expand my list to top 50 eventually, or at least add some honorable mentions. There's just too many LI's in these games that I love.

I hear ya Slap, I hear ya....

I would love to see the dev prove me wrong so we can play more, but I wouldn't gamble money on it.

Don't be one of those Johnny....

 

[SlapE]

Unfortunately, every game has its drawbacks. For some it's crappy art but a good story, others have gorgeous renders but snooze-inducing talking. This is the third type, enjoyable story, solid visuals, and gets updated every few years

I would love to see the dev prove me wrong so we can play more, but I wouldn't gamble money on it.

Yeah, unfortunately that's just how it is. The dev didn't do themselves any favors by deciding to work on two projects simultaneously, this is never a good idea unless you have a big team that can split the work. Unfortunately though, if the dev were to only work on one project, it would likely be SG and not this one, since SG is over twice as popular it seems. That game does not look as interesting to me personally, and I've heard that it's very slow-burn, and along with infrequent updates, that's not a good combination.

So if I have to suffer through a 1-2 year update cycle... so be it, at least the game exists to begin with. No idea if I'll ever try SG, but if so it won't be anytime soon.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I hear ya Slap, I hear ya....

Don't be one of those Johnny....

One of what? It's been literal years it's ridiculous.

Tell ya what, I'm planning on releasing my own game in the next 6 months, if I fail to do that, I solemnly promise I will come back to you and apologize. But there's no need to defend poor work ethic - this guy probably has 4 times the system specs as me and still cant be troubled to bang out some scenes every other weekend.

 

[Maviarab]

One of what? It's been literal years it's ridiculous.

Tell ya what, I'm planning on releasing my own game in the next 6 months, if I fail to do that, I solemnly promise I will come back to you and apologize. But there's no need to defend poor work ethic - this guy probably has 4 times the system specs as me and still cant be troubled to bang out some scenes every other weekend.

And there's no need to whine incessently about it like others either. Ocean ain't here....isn't going to change anything.

However, to educate you....
24 full updates (for both) in 63 months (if we take both) is an update every 3 months (give or take a few days).

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

And there's no need to whine incessently about it like others either. Ocean ain't here....isn't going to change anything.

Look its nothing on you or anyone else. We can simultaneously talk about things we enjoy with game and criticize the dev's work ethnic, it needn't be taboo. If you look at my post history on this thread, I've done both, talked about game content and the dev's practices. But cmon, I feel like commenting he's slow is like saying water is wet, it's not contentious or seeking to argue.

 

[SlapE]

However, to educate you....
24 full updates (for both) in 63 months (if we take both) is an update every 3 months (give or take a few days).

Well unfortunately, for someone who plays only one of the two games, his updates to the other game don't really mean anything to me. Also I just checked and his beta releases between chapter 4.5 and chapter 5 of SG took around like 11 months (4.5 only being around 1K renders mind you), and the full releases between WiaB chapter 2 and 3, took around 13 months. So recently at least, it's more like 6 months per update on average, between two games. However, it's around a year for an update for one of the games, which is quite the wait.

That's basically the BaDIK update cycle, but with 20-40% the amount of content (Depending on update), if you isolate it to a single game that is. For both games, it's closer to the size of a BaDIK update, but between two games... I mean it's impressive for the quality of games don't get me wrong... but since I'm only here waiting for one of the games to update... yeah.

To put it simply, I'm willing to wait, but I still hold the opinion that the dev didn't do themselves any favors by working on two projects simultaneously. Anyways, that's about the amount of meaningless ranting I'm willing to do for the day.

 

[yossa999]

One of what? It's been literal years it's ridiculous.

Tell ya what, I'm planning on releasing my own game in the next 6 months, if I fail to do that, I solemnly promise I will come back to you and apologize. But there's no need to defend poor work ethic - this guy probably has 4 times the system specs as me and still cant be troubled to bang out some scenes every other weekend.

You know bro, to me, a bad work ethic looks like a yellow "abandoned" badge next to a game's title while its developer has changed their username (or even kept the old one) and started working on something else, or disappeared without a trace, or could not cope with the difficulties along the way and gave up.

I also like digging into numbers. And you know, Ocean creates approximately 4000 static renders (counting both games) per year. And in the past years, only a few devs were able to achieve similar quality of renders, but in the recent year more games have appeared with rendering quality quite close to Ocean's.

But they can't yet come close to his number of static renders. 4K per year is much more than these ~200-300 renders in 2-3 months of regular updates from the devs who I was referred to as an example of the right approach to the game development.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against these devs, I enjoy their games. But personally, in these games, I save updates for a year before playing, because such small updates are just annoying and ruin the experience of even a great game.

And maybe I'm wrong, but I've read in your statement a bit of envy about the 4 times better system specs.
But it wasn't a godsend for him, bro. Just imagine the amount of crap they dumped on him when he was writing for many months in dev logs about the bottlenecks in his current hardware, how he dealt with them, and his plans to upgrade. "What the hell, the current hardware is enough, I’m already tired of his whining about need of the new hardware. It would be better if he thought about adding my favorite furry content (or whatever they demanded then) than to be distracted by some irrelevant nonsense."

So yes, he is investing a certain share of his revenue into a top notch hardware. In my book, this looks like a pro point for the dev.

Either way, it's great that you're going to make a game yourself. It will be interesting to read about your experience if you decide to share it. Who knows, maybe you can do better and other developers can learn a thing or two from ya.