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it depends... how many years have passed since your birth?
It's the second game on which I find myself thinking about passing on the saves to my children XD
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If you want to watch it, you should eat before some space cookies, according to the old recipes from the 60s
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Do it twiceIf you want to watch it, you should eat before some space cookies, according to the old recipes from the 60s
One with and one without
You can later state you've watched 2 different flix
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Have your children been born yet? If not then I'm afraid they won't be compatible. 15 years from now WiAB will be on it's 7th remake and Ocean will be porting the game into Enhanced Reality
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Ok plan B hibernationHave your children been born yet? If not them I'm afraid they won't be compatible. 15 years from now WiAB will be on it's 7th remake and Ocean will be porting the game into Enhanced Reality
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Yeah I think we're all lost. Wiab was 27(?) chapters in the old way of counting including half chapters I think, but maybe it was going to be three seasons, I can't remember. But with the new way of counting it's 54 chapters, but now Ocean seems to be doing enough renders for three chapters in a release. When it comes out of the oven, it'll be a chapter I guess.
It is planed on being shorter than SG, and has less LI's so less convoluted branching, but then the NTR side of it might add more complicated branching. So in reality, it's just going to be a while before there's any meaningful import option for choices to impact SG, and most of us will have already played enough SG without the imported data anyway.
I applaud the effort to carry across variables, but it's icing on the cake once it's all baked. I'm far more interested in playing ch4 to find out the how more immediate changes are resolved than I am worried about a slight flavouring to SG way down the road.
I'm not going to even try to count chapters by old or new methods. It's all chthonic algebra to me.
this will be one hell of a ride/fap
cant wait to tell my grandchildren about ocean spielberg and the greatest netorare/ntr storie ever written
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Time =/= perfection. Attention to detail and quality control are higher on the list. Visually and conceptually Ocean is doing great, but his revisionism/redactions are quite often poorly implemented. Things that don't take time away from development - better proof readers. If he's truly written the whole script, he can have people poring over it while he renders.
Time taken to render is purely grunt work requiring hardware, with very little input, while the time taken to set the scene requires quality.
I like Ocean's work, but time is a budget, just like all other resources and money. If perfection was Ocean's goal, he'd not have released SG season 1 without finding new music for the cinematics etc. The changes to Season 1 and WiaB currently are for reasons OTHER than making a great story. He can still succeed in making a great story, but again this is a question of vision, conviction and dedication, not time.
You said one constructive criticism in a post where people treat Ocean like a god, prepare to be massacred.
PS: BTW never saw a community of any game on F95 licking a devs boot like this one, you guys deserve an award. The highlight for me is the ull adult characters all talking and behaving like 12-13 years old kids, and you gus saying the writing on this game is amazing. Good renders on adult games and good graphics in AAA games always tricks people into thinking the writing/lore is good, which is laughable
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People know I love WiaB and SG. These are the only threads I write in. As much as I like and enjoy Ocean's games and as often as I'm guilty of hyperbole myself, putting people on a pedestal is counter productive. I have faith in Ocean doing a great job with WiaB Ch4 and with SG S2Ch1, but it is not perfection. I honestly thing perfectionism is the biggest reason I procrastinate, and fail to deliver to my own standards in my life. Perfection is sometimes the enemy of progress.
Edit: Also, if people like the game and think it is amazing, I am genuinely glad they enjoy it so much. I enjoy Ocean's games while acknowledging they're not perfect but works in progress, not even a quarter of the way done. It's far too early to hand out accolades.
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Excellent as almost always... I must say that I was trying to answer the statement made by the other user and I could not find words that are as clear as your exposition.
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If there's anything we've both learned over the time we've been watching this thread, I'd guess it's something along the lines of pacing out enthusiasm because there is a long time between visits from Katie!
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I think we can now safely say....this isn't the case. Or if it is, it's constantly being changed.
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I think it does exist, but Ocean keeps altering it reactively. I understand why (if this is the case), but being reactive is relinquishing creative commitment - any external constraint will dilute the vision. I do believe that the redactions/changes can work really well, but if they're just bandages, the script won't heal the continuity on its own.I think we can now safely say....this isn't the case. Or if it is, it's constantly being changed.
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I think you're partially right, but I'm also convinced that Ocean has no brakes. In the sense that every time an idea comes into his head that he thinks is cool, he tries to implement it immediately regardless of time or whether it makes sense.
I do not think this is true, for the most part the changes Ocean has made so far are not unreasonable ones. WiaB remake was for the better, the OG although not without a charme was all over the place with some completly nonsensical scenes.
The changes to SG also are pretty reasonable, he made an investment in the musics and to not use it is throw money away, to edit some crotch out and the spicer scenes to not loose money is understandable in my view. It also helps that it make the game more accessible.
The difference between this changes is that one was born of a creative view the other of pragmatism. One enrichs the story, the other dilutes it. I can't honestly say that Nami paths hits the same way as it did before, is not worse but it also can't be the same.
How the new change affects WiaB is dependent on what motivated this change, the thing is that in this case either way is problematic. If Ocean truly had a change of heart, he loses credibility if it is out of pragmatism, is not the same as cut some crotch in a few renders and will affect the whole game. It can work, but as was said the script will not heal it self and futher change will have to be made to acomodate this one.
That said, is hard for me to believe that Ocean did it on a whim, it was a thought out change. May be that it was a bad decision but I doubt it was done without consideration
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I think we can now safely say....this isn't the case. Or if it is, it's constantly being changed.
Allow me to bask for a little while in the warmth of sweet vindication... I fought for so long. Published unpopular opinions for what felt like ages...
I'm at peace now...eyes have been opened
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I still enjoy most of the changes to SG season 1, and I'll be forever grateful I no longer need to see OG Miru. Yes, bask, but ultimately, the question is one of cynicism vs hope. I hope Ocean will avoid the worst tendencies, and I'm willing to risk disappointment still, it's not blind hope. I grant you victory in this round of the internet! May you also win cupcakes, which are far more delicious!
Allow me to bask for a little while in the warmth of sweet vindication... I fought for so long. Published unpopular opinions for what felt like ages...
I'm at peace now...eyes have been opened
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And I fully agree about Miru, she was all over the place.
If we go and see the new "introduction" to Ayua, when Nika randomly returns after arguing with Bella, and Ayua decides to attack Nika in his room. For me Ocean thought "let's show how cool Aya is" but at the same time it makes her seem unstable.
Honestly, I've followed two topics in the last year and I've often found myself in agreement with you, but Ocean's believers scare me a little XD
Allow me to bask for a little while in the warmth of sweet vindication... I fought for so long. Published unpopular opinions for what felt like ages...
I'm at peace now...eyes have been opened
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