VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

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BobTheDuck

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LHDLLB said:
Is not that it is a bad idea, I can see your reasoning, just seems too much work to something that I don't see a necessity, but it is as you said, no one can really tell. I think that here we just disagree. If Ocean is changing the story because he hit a roadblock it makes me lose respect for him - not that he needed it in the first place- but it makes me way,way,way less invested in the stories he is telling. Not because is cutting fetishes but because it tells me Ocean is lost as to where the story is going, I understand it being a work in progress but that can not justified altering the scripts every two updates. Especially to a story that was already written and had a remake not that long ago. Is not a isolated fact, Ocean does has a track record with it, WiaB suffered a remake and 4 chapters in its remake suffered another big change, how can I be invested in it if I don't know what might change until the season 1 ends ?

That is if the reasoning is because he hit a roadblock. If the reasoning is ToS, money and outside forces, while it still being problematic I can perfectly understand it . Sometimes have constrains can even be good to the story. If to tell the story in the first place William can not be related to the entire cast. Fine, I don't really care. If in doing so it allows some of the romance paths to flow more naturally. All the better. If it allows the game to be more successful and Ocean makes more money. By the grace of God do it. What worry me is less the change and more what motivated it. Ocean is talented at written character and their interactions, I think that this change can elevate the story as you said, but it needs solid foundation.
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The reason is 100% ToS/future proofing. But my point is more just cutting stuff will leave holes, it is much better to add something to fill those gaps. SG suffered in the end, because Ocean cut innocent cinematics because he couldn't find music to replace the expired licenses in time. Hopefully this change has better continuity than SG.
 
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LHDLLB said:
Is not that it is a bad idea, I can see your reasoning, just seems too much work to something that I don't see a necessity, but it is as you said, no one can really tell. I think that here we just disagree. If Ocean is changing the story because he hit a roadblock it makes me lose respect for him - not that he needed it in the first place- but it makes me way,way,way less invested in the stories he is telling. Not because is cutting fetishes but because it tells me Ocean is lost as to where the story is going, I understand it being a work in progress but that can not justified altering the scripts every two updates. Especially to a story that was already written and had a remake not that long ago. Is not a isolated fact, Ocean does has a track record with it, WiaB suffered a remake and 4 chapters in its remake suffered another big change, how can I be invested in it if I don't know what might change until the season 1 ends ?

That is if the reasoning is because he hit a roadblock. If the reasoning is ToS, money and outside forces, while it still being problematic I can perfectly understand it . Sometimes have constrains can even be good to the story. If to tell the story in the first place William can not be related to the entire cast. Fine, I don't really care. If in doing so it allows some of the romance paths to flow more naturally. All the better. If it allows the game to be more successful and Ocean makes more money. By the grace of God do it. What worry me is less the change and more what motivated it. Ocean is talented at written character and their interactions, I think that this change can elevate the story as you said, but it needs solid foundation.
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In this case I am going to agree with you, this approach seems to me to be fundamental for what is to come, unlike BobTheDuck who only has faith (yes Bob, I summarized your whole block of text to faith and hope :p ).
Even so, I just want to point out that we are talking about a story that has undergone countless changes, from its base to its connection, with foundations more like jelly and that at least until the exit of chapter 4 keeps us in suspense the same... Who knows what will happen with WIAB later, everyone will see their fears crystallize or not, or maybe Steam will not be enough to keep it, but today it still attracts our attention, so much so that we continue writing about it.
 
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sorco2003 said:
In this case I am going to agree with you, this approach seems to me to be fundamental for what is to come, unlike BobTheDuck who only has faith (yes Bob, I summarized your whole block of text to faith and hope :p ).
Even so, I just want to point out that we are talking about a story that has undergone countless changes, from its base to its connection, with foundations more like jelly and that at least until the exit of chapter 4 keeps us in suspense the same... Who knows what will happen with WIAB later, everyone will see their fears crystallize or not, or maybe Steam will not be enough to keep it, but today it still attracts our attention, so much so that we continue writing about it.
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dlaskas said:
ikr. was trying to follow this but this is just way too fucking much.
don't yall have jobs, family... dogs?
.. potentially a life?
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Bruh my gf can spend over an hour on the couch rotting her brain just scrolling through social media posts barely saying a word or glancing at the TV. I'll be damned if I can't write a couple of essays here in the 10m I'm spending on the shitter anyways.

I can't possibly read every post on any of the threads I follow but every so often there are discussions that are entertaining enough to read through. I can think of plenty of worse things you could be doing with your time.
 
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Bruh my gf can spend over an hour on the couch rotting her brain just scrolling through social media posts barely saying a word or glancing at the TV. I'll be damned if I can't write a couple of essays here in the 10m I'm spending on the shitter anyways.

I can't possibly read every post on any of the threads I follow but every so often there are discussions that are entertaining enough to read through. I can think of plenty of worse things you could be doing with your time.
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there's always worse things lol.
hey man, you do you, dont let me stop you.
im just amazed at how many posts are posted in this thread in one single day. i have 100 comments per page and it was like 2 or 3 pages of essays in one whole weekend. thats not 10m, thats an hour at the very least xD

but, again, you do you, im just saying.
 
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RNasc4444 said:
I can't possibly read every post on any of the threads I follow but every so often there are discussions that are entertaining enough to read through. I can think of plenty of worse things you could be doing with your time.
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Itsa porn site!!! If you want a discussion, join a discussion club!!! Only Bobs and Vegana are allowed!!!111 :Kappa:
 
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I enjoyed following the discussion with LHDLLB, Bob and Sorco, but I think you guys are too idealizing the Ocean's games. I mean, you're holding them up to some kind of ideal, a perfect spherical horse in a vacuum. Maybe as a spherical horse, WiAB or SG probably made up of nothing but flaws and imperfections. But, to be honest, I can hardly remember a single series from recent years that didn’t contain dozens of plot holes and inconsistencies, and they are produced by a crowd of professionals with huge budgets. When I say that Ocean's games are the best, I don't mean they're perfect, I mean just that the others are even worse.

Plot holes? There's no plot hole that can't be filled with some juicy, perverted shagging, and if you're cornered in your story writing, you can always turn the board upside down and burn one of the main LIs, forcing the player to choose which one! The only thing that worries me is that the end of the year is approaching and there is still no news. :HideThePain:
 
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yossa999 said:
I enjoyed following the discussion with LHDLLB, Bob and Sorco, but I think you guys are too idealizing the Ocean's games. I mean, you're holding them up to some kind of ideal, a perfect spherical horse in a vacuum. Maybe as a spherical horse, WiAB or SG probably made up of nothing but flaws and imperfections. But, to be honest, I can hardly remember a single series from recent years that didn’t contain dozens of plot holes and inconsistencies, and they are produced by a crowd of professionals with huge budgets. When I say that Ocean's games are the best, I don't mean they're perfect, I mean just that the others are even worse.

Plot holes? There's no plot hole that can't be filled with some juicy, perverted shagging, and if you're cornered in your story writing, you can always turn the board upside down and burn one of the main LIs, forcing the player to choose which one! The only thing that worries me is that the end of the year is approaching and there is still no news. :HideThePain:
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yossa999 said:
I enjoyed following the discussion with LHDLLB, Bob and Sorco, but I think you guys are too idealizing the Ocean's games. I mean, you're holding them up to some kind of ideal, a perfect spherical horse in a vacuum. Maybe as a spherical horse, WiAB or SG probably made up of nothing but flaws and imperfections. But, to be honest, I can hardly remember a single series from recent years that didn’t contain dozens of plot holes and inconsistencies, and they are produced by a crowd of professionals with huge budgets. When I say that Ocean's games are the best, I don't mean they're perfect, I mean just that the others are even worse.

Plot holes? There's no plot hole that can't be filled with some juicy, perverted shagging, and if you're cornered in your story writing, you can always turn the board upside down and burn one of the main LIs, forcing the player to choose which one! The only thing that worries me is that the end of the year is approaching and there is still no news. :HideThePain:
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We're doing the opposite of idealizing.... The basis of the whole conversation is "the canon", the rest of the conversation is more or less the same you find in any avn thread that has a little bit of plot and script (very little, with only one MC deciding whether to fuck or not, you already have a similar conversation)



To idealize would be to say that they are a single story and it is perfectly coordinated between the two, that I am totally satisfied to get an up date from each one because it is the best story of this forum... :WeSmart: :p
 
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