VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[JackBrazen1]

Which one drops first, Ocean, digi, or DPC?

Hopefully they all do soon! DPC sounds like it's going to drop before March, not sure on digi but can't wait. Ocean is immortal and time is relative, my grandchildren may see the story come to an end. Though I am looking forward to chapter 2 of SG and chapter 4 of WiAB.

 

[faktoena]

amazing game dude

 

[c.mork]

WiAB Chapter 4 - Dev Log #23
Hello,

The log after this one will be on Wednesday the 12th. I want to return to the Wednesday Dev logs.

I took the liberty of postponing this log until I had some numbers from the new Workstation... And boy do I have them now.

With the arrival of the new Workstation, my old 2021 Workstation will become a slave PC.

The entire process of moving the library and everything else over took around 60 hours.

Workstation comparisons and data.
I did the following tests:

Load & render a scene with 2 people in it.

Load & render a scene with 20 people in it. (Book club from Chapter 5)

Render a test animation.

Load a character into the scene.

Scene saving

2 People scene. (Opening and rendering)

Old: 13:20min

New: 8:25

Improvement: ~5min

20 People scene. (Opening and rendering)

Old: 46:08min

New: 29:20min

Improvement: ~17min

Test animation - 70 Iterations - 120 frames

Old: 1:45h

New: 1:13h

Improvement: ~32min

A final animation would run at 1500 iterations and there it would save even more time because of the additional A6000. (I would assume it would run 2-3h faster. I'll test it overnight.)

Okay, okay... You save 5min here and 17min there... Let me put this into perspective.

If I have an update that is ~7000 renders big, and I save an average of 11min per render, we're looking at 53+ days saved.

That's almost 2 months saved of just Daz opening and rendering scenes.

The bigger the scene, the more time I save... In the grand scheme of an entire update, we're talking about months.

After Chapter 1, I'll return to my normal update size of ~3000-3500 renders. With an average of 11 minutes saved, we save almost an entire month.

This is without adding the 2nd Workstation to it, which currently runs on a 4090. It will render animations until there are none left to render, at which point it moves over to the stills.

I haven't had the chance to test the new PC in the queue yet, but if it can render more than 55-70 renders a night, it will constantly outperform me.

Other improvements that will add up:

Scenes like the book club save 5-10x as fast. It sometimes takes almost a minute to save a scene, which disrupts the flow. Now, it saves giant scenes in less than 10 seconds.

Loading characters into the scene. On the old Workstation, it took 2:30 minutes to load Bellchen into a scene, whereas it took 1:01 minutes on the new workstation. This is a big one, as I often have to load assets and characters into the scene. I can only assume that poses will also load faster.

And my favorite: the viewport performance. On the old Workstation, it feels like you have 3 fps in the book club scene. It feels like going through mud up to your thighs with a screen freeze every 10-15 seconds.

On the new PC, it feels like there are maybe four people in the scene. Scenes with just two characters feel empty.

This is so important because it directly impacts your mental. If a scene lags and the screen freezes every X seconds it will annoy the shit out of you.

The airflow of the case is amazing. It keeps the 3x A6000 ADAs at ~60-65°C without me removing the side panel. (Which I had to do for all other PCs.)

Photoshop feels much smoother. A big hassle during postwork is that after a while the performance drops hard.

On paper this Workstation is worth every penny, however, let's see how it will perform over a long period of time.

From now on, I will count every render I make and give you the number in every dev log. So in 11 days, you'll hear about what I rendered, not just setup, but actually rendered out.

We're starting at 0.

WiAB Chapter 4:
If we ignore the past 3 days in which I spent setting everything up, work has been continued as usual.

The workstation arrived just at the right time, as I still have to do the scene with 30+ people in it. I started the animation rendering yesterday and will continue with them soon.

I've also created about 20 new characters that will function as side and background characters.

And yes, some of them are hot enough to be main girls.

Previews:



With the next Dev Log I'll make true of what I said a few dev logs ago, there will only be one preview from now on.

Apparently, I'm one of the only devs who shows multiple previews every single Dev Log and while I like doing it, it shows too much.

I want to keep more scenes a secret and sometimes, I'll add a nude preview for the Summer tier and above.

I'll end this Dev log here because I'm so excited to work. I want to see and feel what it's like to work with this beast.

I mentioned the Specs of the workstation in the last Log I think... I added my previously acquired two A6000 ADAs to the one that came with the workstation.

I also got enterprise SSDs with 7.68TB and one of them is in RAID 1 to minimize the risk of data loss.

I'll see you in 11 days with some numbers.

• Ocean

 

[NebulousShooter]

If I have an update that is ~7000 renders big

good meme

Apparently, I'm one of the only devs who shows multiple previews every single Dev Log and while I like doing it, it shows too much.

I want to keep more scenes a secret and sometimes

It could always be worse, some of DPC\s ret...patreons voted for environments previews so it doesn't spoil

Which AVN got your pinups as LI's??

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[gojo.spamz]

good meme

Which AVN got your pinups as LI's??

 

[BobTheDuck]

good meme
It could always be worse, some of DPC\s ret...patreons voted for environments previews so it doesn't spoil

Meme? SG's S2C1 is intended 6000-7000 renders, and Wiab's is ~4000. We're not talking about something abstract. The work station means that of the remaining renders for both games, Ocean will save about a month of time before release. Actuall numbers we'll gt in the next dev log, so we can see if they've grown larger than what Ocean's anticipated already. At least he's no longer talking about 8000 for SG.

 

[Allenebs]

Hi, can someone spoil what type of NTR content this game contains?

As of right now there is no NTR.

Technically, there is currently one potential scene with NTR. If on the NTR path William keeps leaving Miru sexually frustrated, she will demand that William allow her to be groped by the gang member in the bar in trade for her distracting him in the bathroom. She might ask if she can have him grope her, but I don't remember what decisions led to that. Otherwise, she will simply lure him there. It's limited to fondling her breasts and she stops him from sticking his hand down her pants, but currently that's the only thing that is remotely NTR related.

Hopefully, the entire jail arc gets cut from this version bc I find that hard to even call NTR. It would be more accurate to say that William simply has Miru raped by another man during a decision that would otherwise have zero consequences. That was just bad writing. If there were an element of corruption even, that would be different. Instead, its just not really a pleasant experience for any party involved. Even the gang guy goes about it like its transactional instead of an act that's supposed to be fun and pleasurable. More like he's doing it for Williams benefit than any pleasure he gets out of it, even.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Meme? SG's S2C1 is intended 6000-7000 renders, and Wiab's is ~4000. We're not talking about something abstract. The work station means that of the remaining renders for both games, Ocean will save about a month of time before release. Actuall numbers we'll gt in the next dev log, so we can see if they've grown larger than what Ocean's anticipated already. At least he's no longer talking about 8000 for SG.

The entire first season

So, yeah. Meme, he never did anything close to those numbers.
2023


He already claimed he was working on S2 scenes way before getting the Steam confirmation. If S2Ch1 comes with 7k, its been so long in 'development' that it would still be shit output. Tell me the numbers right now, is he even half way there? Do you think he will release it before 10th of May 2025, or more like October 2025?

Meme dev, even more meme blind supporters, apparently.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Technically, there is currently one potential scene with NTR. If on the NTR path William keeps leaving Miru sexually frustrated, she will demand that William allow her to be groped by the gang member in the bar in trade for her distracting him in the bathroom. She might ask if she can have him grope her, but I don't remember what decisions led to that. Otherwise, she will simply lure him there. It's limited to fondling her breasts and she stops him from sticking his hand down her pants, but currently that's the only thing that is remotely NTR related.

Hopefully, the entire jail arc gets cut from this version bc I find that hard to even call NTR. It would be more accurate to say that William simply has Miru raped by another man during a decision that would otherwise have zero consequences. That was just bad writing. If there were an element of corruption even, that would be different. Instead, its just not really a pleasant experience for any party involved. Even the gang guy goes about it like its transactional instead of an act that's supposed to be fun and pleasurable. More like he's doing it for Williams benefit than any pleasure he gets out of it, even.

I feel people will be very disappointed with her so called NTR route. Its more NTS, or sharing than anything else, same will be with the Pornstar career. People expect cheating, but Ocean made her such a ride, or die in the remake that it would be shit writing if she suddenly is ok with cheating, unless the MC treats her like crap for like 3/4 of the game, in a very, very slow burn ntr, I don't see it being anything close to what people here dream of.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The entire first season View attachment 4504044

So, yeah. Meme, he never did anything close to those numbers.
View attachment 4504064 2023
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He already claimed he was working on S2 scenes way before getting the Steam confirmation. If S2Ch1 comes with 7k, its been so long in 'development' that it would still be shit output. Tell me the numbers right now, is he even half way there? Do you think he will release it before 10th of May 2025, or more like October 2025?

Meme dev, even more meme blind supporters, apparently.

Well, when the next devlog has numbers we case see, but the proof as always is in the release. I think Ocean's done ~3800 of SG, not sure of what portion of WiaB. 3800 is already more than the previous chapter there. I'd hazard a guess and say that Ocean's already rendered more of WiaB's CH4 than the content of Ch3. Why he felt the need to do such large updates? I don't know. Probably to make the Wiab release large enough to garner attention on steam.

When the release are available, well I guess that's when we can count them to see if they're vapour or real.

 

[Nikko_]

Which one drops first, Ocean, digi, or DPC?

Idk man, a better question is if Ocean and digi will even deliver a great update (a great update, not whole game). And I don't include DPC cause every single episode of BADIK is great and can stand on its own.
what happens when after such a long cycle the update only manages to be "ok" (meaning not great).

 

[yossa999]

Tell me the numbers right now, is he even half way there? Do you think he will release it before 10th of May 2025, or more like October 2025?

I've highlighted the right now numbers for you.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-s1-steam-dlc-oceanlab.29981/post-15864553

2000 renders by mid-October. 3750 renders by mid-December. 1750 renders in two months.
Of course, if you believe his devlogs.

 

[yossa999]

I've also created about 20 new characters that will function as side and background characters.

And yes, some of them are hot enough to be main girls.

I wonder how long this will be a favorite butthurt topic?

A scene with 30 characters? Isn't it a bit early for the trial scene?

 

[NebulousShooter]

I wonder how long this will be a favorite butthurt topic?

A scene with 30 characters? Isn't it a bit early for the trial scene?

I still think this is just plain retardation ego at this point, no one needs 20-30 characters loaded in a scene, since most shadows can't be seen and background is usually in DOF, he should just use billboards of chars just like every other artist on the planet. But how else can he sell his NASA servers and delays to his followers? Wanna bet there isn't a single background character that is not Genesis 9?

At what point choosing to work ineffectively makes you a worse artist?

 

[yossa999]

I still think this is just plain retardation ego at this point, no one needs 20-30 characters loaded in a scene, since most shadows can't be seen and background is usually in DOF, he should just use billboards of chars just like every other artist on the planet. But how else can he sell his NASA servers and delays to his followers? Wanna bet there isn't a single background character that is not Genesis 9?

Nobody needs 20-30 characters, but they still get them! Lucky people!
I don't know shit about Genesis 9, scene optimization, or DAZ hardware requirements. One thing I'm sure of is that when the update comes out, I will enjoy playing it.

At what point choosing to work ineffectively makes you a worse artist?

Never, I guess.

 

[Winterstale]

I've also created about 20 new characters that will function as side and background characters.

And yes, some of them are hot enough to be main girls.

Why? Why on earth would you do this to me - no, to all of us? I’m already tearing my hair out trying to pick just one main LI, & now you go & toss in 20 more hot background characters for good measure? Really?

 

[sorco2003]

WiAB Chapter 4 - Dev Log #23
Hello,

The log after this one will be on Wednesday the 12th. I want to return to the Wednesday Dev logs.

I took the liberty of postponing this log until I had some numbers from the new Workstation... And boy do I have them now.

With the arrival of the new Workstation, my old 2021 Workstation will become a slave PC.

The entire process of moving the library and everything else over took around 60 hours.

Workstation comparisons and data.
I did the following tests:

Load & render a scene with 2 people in it.

Load & render a scene with 20 people in it. (Book club from Chapter 5)

Render a test animation.

Load a character into the scene.

Scene saving

2 People scene. (Opening and rendering)

Old: 13:20min

New: 8:25

Improvement: ~5min

20 People scene. (Opening and rendering)

Old: 46:08min

New: 29:20min

Improvement: ~17min

Test animation - 70 Iterations - 120 frames

Old: 1:45h

New: 1:13h

Improvement: ~32min

A final animation would run at 1500 iterations and there it would save even more time because of the additional A6000. (I would assume it would run 2-3h faster. I'll test it overnight.)

Okay, okay... You save 5min here and 17min there... Let me put this into perspective.

If I have an update that is ~7000 renders big, and I save an average of 11min per render, we're looking at 53+ days saved.

That's almost 2 months saved of just Daz opening and rendering scenes.

The bigger the scene, the more time I save... In the grand scheme of an entire update, we're talking about months.

After Chapter 1, I'll return to my normal update size of ~3000-3500 renders. With an average of 11 minutes saved, we save almost an entire month.

This is without adding the 2nd Workstation to it, which currently runs on a 4090. It will render animations until there are none left to render, at which point it moves over to the stills.

I haven't had the chance to test the new PC in the queue yet, but if it can render more than 55-70 renders a night, it will constantly outperform me.

Other improvements that will add up:

Scenes like the book club save 5-10x as fast. It sometimes takes almost a minute to save a scene, which disrupts the flow. Now, it saves giant scenes in less than 10 seconds.

Loading characters into the scene. On the old Workstation, it took 2:30 minutes to load Bellchen into a scene, whereas it took 1:01 minutes on the new workstation. This is a big one, as I often have to load assets and characters into the scene. I can only assume that poses will also load faster.

And my favorite: the viewport performance. On the old Workstation, it feels like you have 3 fps in the book club scene. It feels like going through mud up to your thighs with a screen freeze every 10-15 seconds.

On the new PC, it feels like there are maybe four people in the scene. Scenes with just two characters feel empty.

This is so important because it directly impacts your mental. If a scene lags and the screen freezes every X seconds it will annoy the shit out of you.

The airflow of the case is amazing. It keeps the 3x A6000 ADAs at ~60-65°C without me removing the side panel. (Which I had to do for all other PCs.)

Photoshop feels much smoother. A big hassle during postwork is that after a while the performance drops hard.

On paper this Workstation is worth every penny, however, let's see how it will perform over a long period of time.

From now on, I will count every render I make and give you the number in every dev log. So in 11 days, you'll hear about what I rendered, not just setup, but actually rendered out.

We're starting at 0.

WiAB Chapter 4:
If we ignore the past 3 days in which I spent setting everything up, work has been continued as usual.

The workstation arrived just at the right time, as I still have to do the scene with 30+ people in it. I started the animation rendering yesterday and will continue with them soon.

I've also created about 20 new characters that will function as side and background characters.

And yes, some of them are hot enough to be main girls.

Previews:
View attachment 4503917
View attachment 4503918

With the next Dev Log I'll make true of what I said a few dev logs ago, there will only be one preview from now on.

Apparently, I'm one of the only devs who shows multiple previews every single Dev Log and while I like doing it, it shows too much.

I want to keep more scenes a secret and sometimes, I'll add a nude preview for the Summer tier and above.

I'll end this Dev log here because I'm so excited to work. I want to see and feel what it's like to work with this beast.

I mentioned the Specs of the workstation in the last Log I think... I added my previously acquired two A6000 ADAs to the one that came with the workstation.

I also got enterprise SSDs with 7.68TB and one of them is in RAID 1 to minimize the risk of data loss.

I'll see you in 11 days with some numbers.

• Ocean

A lot of info!!!!
Apart from the raw speed gained and the times saved, the QoL factor is huge, and that also counts when it comes to finishing the up dates, that Ocean feels so comfortable working that he forgets to let go of the games.
Wiab:a last scene with more than 30 characters on screen, it was going to be a torture with the old workstation (not as much torture as the old WIAB pc, but still a torture) now it's going to look like a morning walk.
And another fact that Ocean slipped, the animations have already started... (advantages of having a workstation as a slave)
Beautiful Zoey! (almost makes me not miss the emergency render).
Retcon?.... mmmm but but but, at this point my date is my four-leaf clover!

 

[registerforfree]

let`s see what happens. it is just been a year from last update too this game... maybee this year

 

[Feru452ax]

Whenever I need to laugh, i just need to come here. I remember the dev logs saying this game would be the focus after every single SG update, and we wouldn't stay too long without an update. The dummies believed lol

At least it's good to see more people here poiting how much of a liar and milker the dev is. 1 year and 5 months without a proper update. When it comes, 1 sex scene + 1 nude scene, like the last one. And a LOT of 14 years old conversation in 25-30years old body, that some call good writing.


While people continue supporting this horrible dev behaviour, things will only get worsed. I said this 2 years and a half ago and kidos got mad. Everything I said is happening.

DEV WORDS FROM SUBSCRIBESTAR: " - At the moment the time invested into these game is not worth it from a financial perspective. The worlds highest taxes & energy cost are a huge burden on the development of the game. Securing the financial aspect will help the games immensly."

He's right, the time invested isnt worth it from a financial perspective, he wants people to pay for 1 year and a half (or more) to play 15minutes of an adult game with 1 sex scene each 1 year and a half. No kind of hobby offers so little after so long paying for it. I'ts like paying monthly for a christmas suprise box for2 years, to get 0,5 ounces of raisin. Finally his coffers are getting dry, maybe he start to actually deliver a game. If he can't deliver a triple A game working alone, drop the quality to make it doable. Better than a super good looking game (that the majority play on a phone screen), its a game that actually is released.

 

[registerforfree]

Whenever I need to laugh, i just need to come here. I remember the dev logs saying this game would be the focus after every single SG update, and we wouldn't stay too long without an update. The dummies believed lol

At least it's good to see more people here poiting how much of a liar and milker the dev is. 1 year and 5 months without a proper update. When it comes, 1 sex scene + 1 nude scene, like the last one. And a LOT of 14 years old conversation in 25-30years old body, that some call good writing.


While people continue supporting this horrible dev behaviour, things will only get worsed. I said this 2 years and a half ago and kidos got mad. Everything I said is happening.

DEV WORDS FROM SUBSCRIBESTAR: " - At the moment the time invested into these game is not worth it from a financial perspective. The worlds highest taxes & energy cost are a huge burden on the development of the game. Securing the financial aspect will help the games immensly."

He's right, the time invested isnt worth it from a financial perspective, he wants people to pay for 1 year and a half (or more) to play 15minutes of an adult game with 1 sex scene each 1 year and a half. No kind of hobby offers so little after so long paying for it. I'ts like paying monthly for a christmas suprise box for2 years, to get 0,5 ounces of raisin. Finally his coffers are getting dry, maybe he start to actually deliver a game. If he can't deliver a triple A game working alone, drop the quality to make it doable. Better than a super good looking game (that the majority play on a phone screen), its a game that actually is released.

i am agree whit you. the dev is just lazy. if he realy want to work on his game he would have done more long time ago and i dont think this his main work.