VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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FalconLover420

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To me, I always understood that Leia was making a joke to William, that if he didn't fuck for 15 years he was going to get it. I never associated it with Leia being a virgin or anything like that (not even in the old WIAB Leia was a virgin). Or that that was how long Leia had gone without fucking.
This!
We know during the meeting with MC and Leia
she has two versions
NTR ON Leia says that she meets people semi regularly including the MC's time at that place
NTR OFF Leia claims that she had dates here and there, but no relationships recently

ngl I am still confused in the relationships with all the characters or how they say one thing but say/do another.
Hell im still confused on the story haha :KEK:
 
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What's funny is I was a huge fan who would overlook small inconsistencies in the past, but after the horrendous butchering of Ch4, nope!

Also no examples of inconsistencies prior to Ch4 have been presented. (y)
Inconsistencies-inconshmistencies... It's not like Ocean is the worst author ever because of these inconsistencies and absurdities :sneaky:

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And this is just one example.
We'll get over this! The rope just squeezes and hurts at first, but we'll get used to it after a while. ;)

 
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Inconsistencies-inconshmistencies... It's not like Ocean is the worst author ever because of these inconsistencies and absurdities :sneaky:

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And this is just one example.
We'll get over this! The rope just squeezes and hurts at first, but we'll get used to it after a while. ;)

Everything will be forgiven when Ocean makes an analogue of this scene, but for Helen and William.
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Everything will be forgiven when Ocean makes an analogue of this scene, but for Helen and William.
For some fans, this might help. for others like us, the situation is different:

Especially when it comes to Donna Helen "Moby Dick" Makkaroni, the "Judges Limpo Dicko" Farfalle, the Krayt "Cocko sucko" Spaghetti and several other noodle characters!
Willi should grab Miru, Zoey, Leia, Monika and Dana, get the hell back to the new city they lived and let him take over and clean out this illogical, subterranean rubbish heap!
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BTW I mentioned it in an earlier post already, but it seems to have flown over some heads. Leia is from Bud spencer´s family. :ROFLMAO: Pedersoli was his real name, not the stage name.
 
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I've just been skimming over the past couple days of conversation. I've been busy the past week so I was just kinda waiting for the Ipatch to update. But from what I'm seeing things have changed a lot and that may not even make sense anymore? Should I just start a fresh playthrough and ignore the "kinda used to be" family stuff?
 

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I've just been skimming over the past couple days of conversation. I've been busy the past week so I was just kinda waiting for the Ipatch to update. But from what I'm seeing things have changed a lot and that may not even make sense anymore? Should I just start a fresh playthrough and ignore the "kinda used to be" family stuff?
That's what I did, but it was easy for me since I bought it on Steam.
 
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I've just been skimming over the past couple days of conversation. I've been busy the past week so I was just kinda waiting for the Ipatch to update. But from what I'm seeing things have changed a lot and that may not even make sense anymore? Should I just start a fresh playthrough and ignore the "kinda used to be" family stuff?
Since the game wouldn't have a patch anymore, you should do a new playthrough anyway if you wanna continue the game. So yeah, I guess you should do it.
 

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My biggest issue with this update is the hackneyed mafia shit with contrived rules like arranged marriages. Couldnt we have left that in the 90s when people last gave a shit about that?

Is there any reason why William and Leia couldnt have been "adopted" into this semi-criminal family for whatever fake-dramatic but insignificant reason, got involved with each other and then chastised simply because its fucked up when you basically grew up as siblings? Instead of some silly mafia-family-arrangement reason? Unlike how some games on this site are suggesting, people would absolutely react repulsed by that, not to mention that as a parent I wouldnt want this to mess up the whole family dynamic. Leia would 100% get bullied relentlessly for that, and William running away to avoid dealing with the situation makes sense. Why do you need to craft this nonsense mafia story around that?

Then the story could have simply been about William trying to reconcile with his de-facto family (without being some fucked up tool for leverage in the mafia) and then helping build up the Zane empire with criminal and non-criminal means. You can then craft stories around conflicts with other crime syndicates (without cringe Italian names), government institutions etc. Thats a solid basis for a story, not outstanding, but solid. The incest angle would have made things spicier, but what can you do, not like you would nuke the game over outside factors. The mafia angle makes the story way more convoluted, and further developments are too reliant on the origin story. I dont think Ocean can pull that off well.

Fwiw I will continue playing this because I play Ocean's games for the interactions and the visuals, and these are mostly intact still. The plot, like in every other AVN, has always been pretty much slop. But thats fine, because after all the purpose of AVNs is to give some context and generate attachment to characters, so getting off is more enjoyable. If I want actual good storytelling, I'd rather read a book or watch a movie, but AVNs can have some deficiencies because they serve an additional purpose. And after all, I think WiAB's plot is in an AVN context still fairly above average.

As a side note: As a German, can Ocean stop using these cringe German words that make my skin crawl? Ironicallymy reason for uninstalling will be the next time I have to read another 'Bubbele'.
 

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Dana is crazy hot. I find the story involving several characters apart from the family interesting.
 

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Dont care if its an unpopular opinion or not but this actually better with the mafia angle then the whole incest thing ever was. I still love the characters and their designs and I actually liked this update alot. The dev seems to get better and better at the fine details and Katie looked hot as fuck. I also think the Taylor chick was a real cutie. I think as releases become more frequent no one will even think about the incest thing anymore. A few people on here mentioned the dev isnt good with writing/storytelling aspect of VNs and is more about the visuals, which yea his visuals are amazing but I dont think the storytelling is bad at all. Its probably better then like 70% of the garbage that makes it onto this site. One of the best things about this VN is that its unique and it stands out in quality compared to most the of the stuff you see on here. Ive never checked out summers gone but after seeing how this is going im actually tempted to.
 

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Dont care if its an unpopular opinion or not but this actually better with the mafia angle then the whole incest thing ever was. I still love the characters and their designs and I actually liked this update alot. The dev seems to get better and better at the fine details and Katie looked hot as fuck. I also think the Taylor chick was a real cutie. I think as releases become more frequent no one will even think about the incest thing anymore. A few people on here mentioned the dev isnt good with writing/storytelling aspect of VNs and is more about the visuals, which yea his visuals are amazing but I dont think the storytelling is bad at all. Its probably better then like 70% of the garbage that makes it onto this site. One of the best things about this VN is that its unique and it stands out in quality compared to most the of the stuff you see on here. Ive never checked out summers gone but after seeing how this is going im actually tempted to.
You think Katie is cute?

Not as cute as you thinking updates are going to happen more frequently...
 

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** Updated to Ch 4 Steam **

Didnt want to miss anything of this reworked version so made myself a walkthrough. Now its ready I thought it could be of use to others as well so here it is.
I intend to update as future game versions come out but Ocean already warned me. "Trying to keep it accurate might become a problem, though. As the branching will get a little tricky further down the line." Another good reason for a WT... right? ;)

Please let me know if you stumble upon an error.
thank you
 

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I think its a little scam on their followers that they removed the i-theme, but that is just my opinion :)
 

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I have a Q for everyone....some may actually know if in Disco, I have the Disco perma muted so only ever get notification of dev logs:

Prior to 4, this line was very, very ambigious:

How do you get a car like this? Don't have sex for 15 years.
Was not even aware this line could have a deeper meaning. I always thought it was a clever way for Leia to say "Never" while taking a jab at William at the same time. She knows he's a player and she knows the effect he has on women. She is also jealous. Denying him anything gives her power that she seems to crave. So basically she is saying "the odds of you getting this car are the same as the odds of you keeping it in your pants for 15 years".

Now most likely the number is not random, instead it could possibly be a landmark of when both of them did "something" for the first time. And I doubt they actually slept together but...we never know...

How? Huh?!? How does one enjoy this? By not reading the text?! By turning the brain off?!?!
 

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I have a Q for everyone....some may actually know if in Disco, I have the Disco perma muted so only ever get notification of dev logs:

Prior to 4, this line was very, very ambigious:

How do you get a car like this? Don't have sex for 15 years.

It was often discussed at the time and also at the time, we had no frame of reference at all regarding how long Gigachad was in prison for, we only had Miru's 5 years, 11 days stuff regarding how long they had been together.

So now we know, one month after leaving Wollust, he was then sent down for 2 years and we assume that Miru is only counting them being 'together' since his first day of release...

It throws Leia's comment about 15 years into more confusion....or am I just missing something plainly obvious?
The frames of reference are:

1. "Gigachad" was 16 when he left.

2. He was framed a little under a month after he left.

3. The amount of time "Gigachad" spent in remand awaiting trial and then sentencing isn't stated.

4. "Gigachad" spent two years in Monte Ardente prison.

5. When "Gigachad" was released from prison, Miru already had a boyfriend. How long Miru stayed with this boyfriend before hooking up with "Gigachad" isn't stated.

6. Miru states in the present that she's been with "Gigachad" for "five years, three months and eleven days."

3. & 5. make calculating the exact amount of time since "Gigachad" absconded impossible. Added to that, "Gigachad's" current age is never stated.

If, for example, 3. and 5. total, say, 12 months, then he was away from Wollust for roughly 8.5 years.

Besides, "Gigachad's" relationship with Leia was NOT the reason why he left Wollust at age 16. If "Gigachad" and Leia did "something," it could've happened some time before he left, not immediately before. PS - I know many of us thought Leia was directly the reason why "Gigachad" left Wollust, but the real reason was set up in the original Chs 1-3, not just in the reworked Chs 1-4. It's likely only the minutiae behind the reason was altered.
 
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