VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Radon-]

Just because it's fiction it shouldn't make you unable to recognize negative traits in characters.

You guys are evaluating these characters as you would your real life long-term partners dude. Yes, it's a game with a focus on human interactions so their ethics do play a role, therefore not quite GTA, but it's still a game in a fictional crime setting. Defiance obviously can be an attractive trait too.

Like I have some qualms about Leia ethics-wise too. Arms-dealing and (allegedly) having someone whacked? Yeah thats pretty off-putting in a game with a decent focus on relations between characters. But drug dealing or prostitution? Or Bella breaking into someone's house and stealing stuff? It's still a game, who gives a shit. Some of that has some allure to me. VNs give you the opportunity to go into that without the real life repercussions after all.
So when you discard characters based on just any criminal behavior, it does come across like the tweets above. You actually can have some fun with it ya know.

(Not saying you have to like Leia, Leia sucks pretty hard)

 

[RNasc4444]

Neither of them are Katie in either game anyway, so what's the point?

For the love of...

Is Maviarab Agent Smith now? Is he spreading and infecting y'all? If you guys start changing your avatars to mimic his I'm gonna freak tf out.

Wake up! The WiAB Katie appeal is dead and Ocean killed it! There is only SG Katie now.

 

[BobTheDuck]

For the love of...

Is Maviarab Agent Smith now? Is he spreading and infecting y'all? If you guys start changing your avatars to mimic his I'm gonna freak tf out.

Wake up! The WiAB Katie appeal is dead and Ocean killed it! There is only SG Katie now.

Nah, Katie is better than she's ever been. But I'll admit Monica, Zoey and Kat are welcome to try an change my mind.

 

[RNasc4444]

You guys are evaluating these characters as you would your real life long-term partners dude. Yes, it's a game with a focus on human interactions so their ethics do play a role, therefore not quite GTA, but it's still a game in a fictional crime setting. Defiance obviously can be an attractive trait too.

Like I have some qualms about Leia ethics-wise too. Arms-dealing and (allegedly) having someone whacked? Yeah thats pretty off-putting in a game with a decent focus on relations between characters. But drug dealing or prostitution? Or Bella breaking into someone's house and stealing stuff? It's still a game, who gives a shit. Some of that has some allure to me. VNs give you the opportunity to go into that without the real life repercussions after all.
So when you discard characters based on just any criminal behavior, it does come across like the tweets above. You actually can have some fun with it ya know.

(Not saying you have to like Leia, Leia sucks pretty hard)

I get what your angle is and I'm certainly not telling you who you can/should like or not. That's not the point here. The user I replied to asked why Leia was hated by some, maybe most. And I explained why. You can live out your fantasy in the fictional story but you can't pretend that she isn't portrayed as an absolute garbage human being.

That's what my point was. Yes, it's fiction. Yes, you can like her character. All of this is fine. What you can't do is pretend she isn't a horrible character by any legal, ethical or moral standards.

 

[RNasc4444]

Nah, Katie is better than she's ever been. But I'll admit Monica, Zoey and Kat are welcome to try an change my mind.

I was gonna say I hope she gets hit next by the over inflation trend until she becomes another Helen or Mila but given how you feel about Dana, you'd probably love that, you freak!

Keep your pink haired broad. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned

EDIT: STOP THAT! That's freaky!

 

[Radon-]

I get what your angle is and I'm certainly not telling you who you can/should like or not. That's not the point here. The user I replied to asked why Leia was hated by some, maybe most. And I explained why. You can live out your fantasy in the fictional story but you can't pretend that she isn't portrayed as an absolute garbage human being.

That's what my point was. Yes, it's fiction. Yes, you can like her character. All of this is fine. What you can't do is pretend she isn't a horrible character by any legal, ethical or moral standards.

Very fair. I made my point because I've been seeing people (including you, but not exclusively) in both threads express their dislike for some characters listing reasons that to me only make sense if you had to have actual real life interactions with them. Your post reminded me of that. To me, that is either overly stuck-up (aka Elon), or theyre just missing the point of VNs in general. Sure, if your brain is just wired that way, then you do you obviously. But it might benefit some people to just take a step back imo.

 

[Maviarab]

Is @Maviarab Agent Smith now? Is he spreading and infecting y'all? If you guys start changing your avatars to mimic his I'm gonna freak tf out.

I'd post a gif...but it seems I'm on the gif watch hit list again lately....

Nah, Katie is better than she's ever been. But I'll admit Monica, Zoey and Kat are welcome to try an change my mind.

Brilliant Bob!

EDIT: STOP THAT! That's freaky!

Even I did a double take then. I clicked quote and was like...oh...I've already replied...wait....lmao

 

[RNasc4444]

I'd post a gif...but it seems I'm on the gif watch hit list again lately....

Brilliant Bob!

Even I did a double take then. I clicked quote and was like...oh...I've already replied...wait....lmao

It really fucking fooled me hahaahaha. Serves me right for bringing that up

I really thought I was replying to you since you're the one I know likes the swamp creature.

 

[BobTheDuck]

It really fucking fooled me hahaahaha. Serves me right for bringing that up

I really thought I was replying to you since you're the one I know likes the swamp creature.

This'll calm your mind then I guess

Concerning LI's and their attractiveness: how has the plot changed Katie's attractiveness? She's still more realisticly proportioned than Helen or Leia (heck even Dylan is), her boobs aren't weird like Miru's (which look like implants the way they hang), Dana, Daphne and Zoey are all heading to the beach with their connective tissue to keep them afloat... so it's really only Katie, Mon and Kat that could fit your taste.

Don't tell me you're going for Sven?

 

[RNasc4444]

This'll calm your mind then I guess

It's a little better...still feels weird though. Change it back!

Concerning LI's and their attractiveness: how has the plot changed Katie's attractiveness?

Oh it hasn't! Ch4 took away any and all interest I had in Miru and Katie but it has nothing to do with their looks. They still look mostly fine. And I say mostly because I find nipple piercings disgusting. All else is fine. Problem is they both just fell victim to character assassination by ch4

 

[Maviarab]

I find nipple piercings disgusting.

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[Dr.TSoni]

And she's trustworthy to her family.

She's literally plotting behind the "Family's" back.

I was gonna say I hope she gets hit next by the over inflation trend until she becomes another Helen or Mila

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Leia is kind of a bitch, but she's damn sexy. Why all the hate for her? The bitchiness?

I don't hate Leia. I don't even give a shit if she's a criminal. I just think she's a crackhead for doing all of this shit because her childhood friend left her. Even after he told her part of the reason, she's still on some bullshit. Meanwhile, you have Monica. Someone who actually suffered something horrible at Williams hand only really resenting him for it. Not actually hating him. Even though she really should. But she forgave him at the bar since he put the effort forward. The same effort he tried with Leia but she wants to play games with the whole cold and detached act. And the crazy part is Leia did horrible shit to other people, including Monica. Yet, she wants to spiral because her orphan buddy left her?

Being sexy doesn't really work for me, if you're just awful to interact with. While she may be entitled to her feelings and act however she wants. I'm also entitled to not really give a fuck about her issues, if she's going to behave that way. Besides the money from doing business with Zoey and helping Katie, William doesn't owe anything to Leia. Even if she thinks he does. It's such a shame really because she was one of my favorites in the original version. But after the remake and then the rewrite, she's just been meh. She'll have to join Miru in the whatever basket.

 

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[shenlao]

I don't hate Leia. I don't even give a shit if she's a criminal

Well almost all characters are criminal tho. Even our lovely Miru is killer by nature.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

Oh it hasn't! Ch4 took away any and all interest I had in Miru and Katie but it has nothing to do with their looks. They still look mostly fine. And I say mostly because I find nipple piercings disgusting.

This are the only piercings that should be allowed !

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I don't hate Leia. I don't even give a shit if she's a criminal. I just think she's a crackhead for doing all of this shit because her childhood friend left her. Even after he told her part of the reason, she's still on some bullshit. Meanwhile, you have Monica. Someone who actually suffered something horrible at Williams hand only really resenting him for it. Not actually hating him. Even though she really should. But she forgave him at the bar since he put the effort forward. The same effort he tried with Leia but she wants to play games with the whole cold and detached act. And the crazy part is Leia did horrible shit to other people, including Monica. Yet, she wants to spiral because her orphan buddy left her?

Being sexy doesn't really work for me, if you're just awful to interact with. While she may be entitled to her feelings and act however she wants. I'm also entitled to not really give a fuck about her issues, if she's going to behave that way. Besides the money from doing business with Zoey and helping Katie, William doesn't owe anything to Leia. Even if she thinks he does. It's such a shame really because she was one of my favorites in the original version. But after the remake and then the rewrite, she's just been meh. She'll have to join Miru in the whatever basket.

The only thing I don't agree with is that Monica forgave him.

Well almost all characters are criminal tho. Even our lovely Miru is killer by nature.

True, but for Leia it's been like this since chapter one, for the others crime is a status that came into force only in the last chapter.

 

[AlexGabriel]

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[BobTheDuck]

True, but for Leia it's been like this since chapter one, for the others crime is a status that came into force only in the last chapter.

Not true. Miru's been a criminal the whole time. Joe's been in prison for his gang the whole time. Willy knew about the guns the whole time. From Ch3 we find out about the drugs...which everyone knows about, thanks Dylan: "hey let's go help at the farm!" Gina's had a brother in a gang the whole time. Dana's brother's in prison for being criminal. Scarlet was always suspect for geting drugs from the hospital for Joe. Kat, well, her dad's in jail and he runs a gang. All of this existed before Ch4.

Dana, Daphne, Zoey and Mon seem to be the ones who have a relatively clean sheet, both before and during Ch4. Of those, we know nothing Daphne's background really, but she was there when it went down (somethig with William). We know Mon thinks Dana shouldn't be getting so many criminals off the hook. So Zoey and Mon, with Zoey going to the farm to help.

So the only ones not compromised before Ch4 is Mon. She remains uncompromised, but would have to be blind after Ch4.

The only thing that changed was the reason for the crime. Before it was Joe at the center of the Zane's criminal troubles.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Not true. Miru's been a criminal the whole time. Joe's been in prison for his gang the whole time. Willy knew about the guns the whole time. From Ch3 we find out about the drugs...which everyone knows about, thanks Dylan: "hey let's go help at the farm!" Gina's had a brother in a gang the whole time. Dana's brother's in prison for being criminal. Scarlet was always suspect for geting drugs from the hospital for Joe. Kat, well, her dad's in jail and he runs a gang. All of this existed before Ch4.

Dana, Daphne, Zoey and Mon seem to be the ones who have a relatively clean sheet, both before and during Ch4. Of those, we know nothing Daphne's background really, but she was there when it went down (somethig with William). We know Mon thinks Dana shouldn't be getting so many criminals off the hook. So Zoey and Mon, with Zoey going to the farm to help.

So the only ones not compromised before Ch4 is Mon. She remains uncompromised, but would have to be blind after Ch4.

The only thing that changed was the reason for the crime. Before it was Joe at the center of the Zane's criminal troubles.

Come on, Bob, you're overanalyzing. Almost all the characters you mentioned aren't even secondary; they're tertiary and mostly serve as background for "important" characters.
As borderline as Scarlet was, she was pissed off about what Joe had done.
Miru has always had a criminal past, but it's mentioned that she hid her real name so her old life wouldn't find her. Obviously, the problem arises when someone who seems to be fleeing that life (like Willy now) has thrown himself back into it with extreme enthusiasm (like Willy now).