LHDLLB
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That is the thing that I and I bealive Rensc444 are talking to. It matter less if William is blood or not, matters most is if they see each other as family or not. William need to be blood related to Helen ? No. Does he need to see her as family ? I think he does. Problem is, does not being blood related and still family is enough to appease ToS ? Maybe. In Goodfather Tom was family, but he also was not a made man. It was clear that by the fact he was not italian he could not be member of the family. Does William or Leia was not fully accepted ? The discussion about incest in secondary here. But to say that family drama is not part of the story is ludicrous, and you can't have family drama with your landlady.I kind of gave you an example of the family dynamic: Vito Corleone, Santino Corleone, and Tom Hagen. I don't remember if it was explicitly shown in the movie, but in the book, Tom was kind of a street kid, and Santino brought him into their home, treated him like his brother and Vito let him stay, and accepted him as his son, although officially, as far as I remember, there was no guardianship or adoption.
It is clear that the concept of "family" is quite specific in the Godfather, but the Zanes are also not quite ordinary. So Willie, without further ado, rushed home to help Helen when Leia called, just as Tom would have done for Vito, even though the Irish kid probably didn't have a drop of Italian blood in his veins, and much less Corleone blood, which seems to be the deciding factor for you in this "unique family dynamics" of yours.
Now about the retcons. Do you really not understand that the game started when the rules weren't as strict (at least not as strictly enforced) as they are now, and many developers had to adapt their games to the changed rules? What do you prefer to play, the dead Life Happened or the live WiAB? Why this shitty argument over and over again, "haha, the landlady's tenant, what a bad writing". That's one thing.
Secondly, fuck, if I could even understand what the old WiAB was about. Just a mosaic of barely connected events, characters and weird conversations between them. I came to WiAB after SG and thought, "Seriously? The developer of SG made this shit? This was probably his first attempt at AVNs." It wasn't until the lake scene that some parts of the story started to make sense to me, although it was still very rough. And it wasn't until chapter six that I could watch it without my eyes bleeding.
Some people come to the development of AVN with writing experience or storytelling skills, some learn in the process. If you think Ocean started WiAB with a solid background in writing novels and scripts, reread his old posts, he was learning as he went along. So the plot changed along with his own evolutions. I partially agree that most of us would probably lock in a certain version and not change it anymore, no matter how much we wanted to. For example, such a strong connection between WiAB and SG in the last chapters is clearly a late addition, I don't think he originally planned anything more than maybe mentioning characters from another game and maybe a few cameos that don't affect the plot.
Well, accept it or find something more in line with your vision of how the game should be developed. Or, even better, create your own and show them all how to do it right. Or don't do it and keep complaining.
You definitely won't impress Ocean with this, the dude is pretty stubborn, otherwise these games would have been abandoned long ago after all the ups and downs.
For example, I’m quite curious in how the guy will get out of the plot knots that he himself tied. So far he entertained me with his games so I'm okay with the changes.
And the most important thing about retcons. I'm too lazy to look for the post, it was here in the zone, although about SG. Ocean basically promised that there would be retcons over retcons.
He said something like: "Some things that seem like make no sense now will become clear later, as the plot progresses. Moreover, some current events will acquire additional meaning or even change it."
P.S. Fuck you for making me to look for the exact quote:
If you think that you didn't sign up for this when you signed up for this thread - run, Forest, run!
Have new information changing the meaning of a scene is not retcon, is a twist. Retcon is you changing the scene altogether. Exemple. We learn that Nojiko omitted that she knew Amber, this is a twist that changes how we perceive Amber, Nojiko and their "first" meeting. Having the jacuzzi scene edited after the fact is a retcon, removing the gun is a retcon, changing the bar opening night is a retcon, change the dynamics in WiaB is a retcon. Is not new information given new meaning, is changing the information.
