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VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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Cursen

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Why are people saying William isn't a Zane?

He's introducing himself as William Zane in the new update?
 

ianzaracod

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Must be the shock how the rewrite made the whole story incoherent, boring and stupid. From a crime story to the level of the suckiest afternoon telenovelas. Ocean sold his creative soul for money. This version of WIAB is an abomination.

You should not touch it, shot it from a save distance, like 84 lightseconds. These boys and girls can do it!
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I don't mind William having an Italian Sausage, but daaamn, remove him from the Zane line? at least make him a half-blood Zane, not total removal. and Leia too, gah damn it.
 

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That's funny.
I remember three or four years ago, people were praising him as a master of visual novel writing, criticizing most games for not matching the quality of SG or WiAB.
Whats worse is he's already opened the paths for fucking all these girls.....then blue balls everyone every time. There is literally no reason why the MC and Katie haven't had sex yet.
 
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How long has it been since the last time this game was updated? It must've set a record for necromacy.
Why are people saying William isn't a Zane?

He's introducing himself as William Zane in the new update?
Uh oh, was it rewritten so there are no familial ties, to avoid the wrath of patreon?
 

Feru452ax

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I'm sure you think you're really funny...but you're not.

To answer your question though, about 4 hours :WeSmart:
And counting up, until 2 years, for the next shitshow of small, poorly written 12 years old in 25-30 years old body dialogues. And seeing posts here, people finally is perceiving what a shitshow the remake is. Until yesterday Ocean was the porn Tolkien in writing.

Fanboys have it too hard, to recognize when something got bad, even after YEARS.
 

byaaahh

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He's not the first artist to do, Han shot first anyone? The house narrative does not really fit when artists have been doing this forever. I am not saying I agree but its nothing new.
Nothing really changed narratively when George changed Greedo shooting first, only characteristically altered Han to not being the baddest mf on Tatooine. However, if in the special editions he changed it so Luke and Leia were no longer related and Vader was just their former landlord...
 

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And counting up, until 2 years, for the next shitshow of small, poorly written 12 years old in 25-30 years old body dialogues. And seeing posts here, people finally is perceiving what a shitshow the remake is. Until yesterday Ocean was the porn Tolkien in writing.

Fanboys have it too hard, to recognize when something got bad, even after YEARS.
And still you are here to bless us all with your wisdom, whether we want to or not.

If it's all to bad, just hit 1751635851081.png and move on. At last that's the path I follow if something gets insufferable for me...
 
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Yes and not only for SG, but also more WIAB. You know who Carlo Pedersoli was? That is Bud Spencer´s real name. So Leia now is from Bud Spencer´s stock. "Meet my fist like in 4 fists for a Halleluja!":ROFLMAO:
'll be completely honest with you, patreon has absolutely destroyed my desire to discover all those mysterious threads of connections between characters from both games. No matter what Ocean's plans were so far with these changes causing a series of changes, I see very little chance that it will end up being anything other than a completely incomprehensible mess. It's a shame because it was one of the most attractive parts of discovering his universe for me so far, now what interests me the most is the prospect of Sasha's romance in SG or, I still hope, her red-haired friend, and even that may be robbed of its charm after certain discoveries planned from the beginning related to this relationship may also be changed or not have the impact they were supposed to have because in this case, each change can chase the next change.

And in the name of one of the most hypocritical morals I've ever seen
It's like saying that one porn is more moral than another when the mere fact of watching naked figures having sex was not a taboo subject in itself and who I ask is the judge to judge that potential incestuous sex which is nevertheless an act of love is less moral than non-incestuous sex in which two men penetrate a woman's ass one vagina and in between pee on her if they wanted to be really moral they should ban porn completely forcing the entire audience to move to a special platform dedicated to pornography or some kind of Only Fans.

I really think Ocean should do what the author of Photo Hunt did and introduce some kind of bullshit intro that no player would take seriously that would depict the entire cast of both games as porn actors taking part in some fucking expensive porn project for some fictional PornFlix, since patreon is too slow to understand that the models from Daz are not real people and this is not real incest.
 

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I'm sure you think you're really funny...but you're not.

To answer your question though, about 4 hours :WeSmart:
I haven't seen this game in years. Maybe they dropped a tag or something and I am pretty damn funny!
Nothing really changed narratively when George changed Greedo shooting first, only characteristically altered Han to not being the baddest mf on Tatooine. However, if in the special editions he changed it so Luke and Leia were no longer related and Vader was just their former landlord...
Luke... I am your landlord!
Impossible! It's not true! Nooooooooo!

Thank you for this ridiculous headcanon, thank goodness George Lucas didn't try to sell his story on patreon.
 
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Yeah, I get doing a move like this if you were trying to remain in Patreon's good graces, but as someone pointed out already, that page was already removed. Unless... he's making a comeback there? If not, it's sort of strange to obiterate your original plot that drove some people in to begin with when the platforms you're currently on don't even penalize you for incest content.

But, I hope it works out for him and, most importantly, the fans.
 
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Nothing really changed narratively when George changed Greedo shooting first, only characteristically altered Han to not being the baddest mf on Tatooine. However, if in the special editions he changed it so Luke and Leia were no longer related and Vader was just their former landlord...
It changed Hans entire story arc ... it was huge narratively, which is why so many Star Wars fans hated it. Of course Luke not being Vader's son would be even bigger, Luke and Leia ... meh, was not the focus.
 
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Ya, with the "adjustments" to the family dynamic I don't think I'm going to buy / support this game. It already had its Patreon page pulled. Ocean should have stayed with the story as it was originally written instead of changing it. It was much hotter with Leia & Katie as his sisters.
 

byaaahh

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It changed Hans entire story arc ... it was huge narratively, which is why so many Star Wars fans hated it. Of course Luke not being Vader's son would be even bigger, Luke and Leia ... meh, was not the focus.
It fundamentally changed nothing in the narrative. Han shooting first doesn't affect the story in any way, only how he is perceived by the audience. He is still a scoundrel and a smuggler, just not a murderous one. I grew up on the VHS and he will always shoot first, but in the grand scheme of Star Wars nothing changes.

In this however, we've gone from "they're all Zanes" to "William and Leia are twins but unrelated to anyone else" to "they're all just roommates". Considering William ran away because who he fell in love with, which now just turns out to be someone who he lived with, the Vader comparison is far more accurate than the Storm Trooper "Han shooting" analogy.
 
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