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VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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Dr.TSoni

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ad3pk said:
As I said it may have been to protect him from the "judges", we don't know the reason. Let Ocean give us one, then criticize it.
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From Helen's reaction to the mention of "I still remember what you said to me the last time we saw each other" which is undoubtedly the prison visit, they did not part on amicable terms.
Otherwise instead of "you belong here" she would have opted for "I was protecting you"
 
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MrRiouso said:
creating an incest patch for this game won't be easy, but someone will have to create it
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I'm not sure someone will, because having played the entire game again with this update, there isn't any incest involved anymore. The story's changed and evolved with bigger background which, only after playing the whole game again, convinced me that it makes sense now.

What you're asking is changing the entire story of the game, just just a few relationships. You might aswell be playing another game with the same character models at that point.
 
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Wow, excellent update. Entertained me for hours.
A lot of good stuff on it, now we have a better picture of the story and its very good.
Ocean even made me like and want more development with characters i didnt like that much previously.
Miru is my 1st place, but damn, Kate really took the spotlight on this update. Leia amazing as always and even Zoey that i was not much into her was very good.
The story and flow were very good, got me hooked the entire update.
I wonder how Monica will react to everything on the next update when she sees everything and is put into work, and i wonder how MC will impact on her decisions.
Cant wait for the next update.
 
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So the story is what it is now hard to understand over a year and this is what he came up with this vn still looks great but looks only go so far
 
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Kappa Zappa said:
So no NTR included in this update? :(
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Sort of. If you're into her I guess it counts - Leia jerks off a guy in a glory hole infront of you But I wish it wasn't warned. It's already at the start of the game, shouldn't need a second warnign people can just turn it off at the start.
 
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Dr.TSoni said:
It is never presented as a rule of Helen, but something imposed by Giuseppe and his associates; since William points out that if they were to know, he would be done for.


All this
What kind of Boss depends on men loyal to his subordinate, especially a power-hungry subordinate like Leia.
From what we've seen it makes no sense that Donna Helen and her "family" weren't wiped out long ago.


No Bob, no
Everything is fine but not Helen
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You're forgetting quite a bit of what we've discovered (and how it expanded on what we knew from before CH4.

The family split into three: Tony (who isn't talking to his brother) and the sister (who's name I forget, but it starts with a J, and who doesn't talk to Helen). MC's leaving dealt a huge blow to the family's prestige as well. Their main enforcers were Uncle Fred's MC gang that's been dispersed since he was sent to jail. There's apparently been losses in battles with Krayts and other families. The Wollust Zanes are at a low ebb and are laying low until Fred gets out in a couple of weeks, and they can rebuild their base.

Helen is only the deFacto boss. Dylan is the Zane, and official head of the family (in Wollust, at least). Helen just has the balls.

Leia is fucking everything up for them by doing her own thing and attracting a lot of attention. She is NOT doing this as a Zane thing, it's her own thing, and she's taking over Fred's business to do it. It looks like Emilio and Rinny are hers, and not Joes, and they've both been describes as fanatically loyal to her. She may be trying to re-establish her old family (in this new iteration) or maybe she is trying to just be independent, while being part of the Zanes. Time will tell.
 
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Maccabbee said:
You're forgetting quite a bit of what we've discovered (and how it expanded on what we knew from before CH4.

The family split into three: Tony (who isn't talking to his brother) and the sister (who's name I forget, but it starts with a J, and who doesn't talk to Helen). MC's leaving dealt a huge blow to the family's prestige as well. Their main enforcers were Uncle Fred's MC gang that's been dispersed since he was sent to jail. There's apparently been losses in battles with Krayts and other families. The Wollust Zanes are at a low ebb and are laying low until Fred gets out in a couple of weeks, and they can rebuild their base.

Helen is only the deFacto boss. Dylan is the Zane, and official head of the family (in Wollust, at least). Helen just has the balls.

Leia is fucking everything up for them by doing her own thing and attracting a lot of attention. She is NOT doing this as a Zane thing, it's her own thing, and she's taking over Fred's business to do it. It looks like Emilio and Rinny are hers, and not Joes, and they've both been describes as fanatically loyal to her. She may be trying to re-establish her old family (in this new iteration) or maybe she is trying to just be independent, while being part of the Zanes. Time will tell.
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Yes, but Joe's the one getting out not Fred. And Dylan's sister is Jennifer.

I also question the Emilio and Riri loyalty: they might be Joe's and that's why she needs their approval and why they forced her to call WIlliam in the first place. Which makes sense as Riri goes above Leia at the club letting William walk around.
 
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BobTheDuck said:
Yes, but Joe's the one getting out not Fred. And Dylan's sister is Jennifer.

I also question the Emilio and Riri loyalty: they might be Joe's and that's why she needs their approval and why they forced her to call WIlliam in the first place. Which makes sense as Riri goes above Leia at the club letting William walk around.
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Names fucking fly through my head and leave. It's fucking depressing. I confuse Fred and Joe ALL THE FUCKING TIME. I just played the game start to finish yesterday ffs.

Also with Riri disobeying Leia about William. That can easily be explained by them doing what they think is best for her. She's off her game lately since W is back, and even comments that she can't control her anger.
 
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if u look carefully there are many cameo's from SG inc the cougers of the book club and bella's mom and aunt
 
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And I don't understand why Kata is Miss Arano? Someone wrote that Helen's sister, Zane, and Kata are also Zane, this shitty mosaic has broken, now we need to collect who is who again.
 
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Maccabbee said:
Leia is fucking everything up for them by doing her own thing and attracting a lot of attention. She is NOT doing this as a Zane thing, it's her own thing, and she's taking over Fred's business to do it. It looks like Emilio and Rinny are hers, and not Joes, and they've both been describes as fanatically loyal to her. She may be trying to re-establish her old family (in this new iteration) or maybe she is trying to just be independent, while being part of the Zanes. Time will tell.
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And it would be a better theme, The families are worried because Leia is a danger to them and Heleno or Dylan if we prefer do not do their duty as Don by keeping her on a leash. Let's add the sudden return of William, always tied to Leia, can only earn him a place in the shit list of the "Judges".
Instead, no references to Leia's infractions, no warning to the Zanes to put her back in line, only No Perdersoli must have power.

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And I don't understand why Kata is Miss Arano? Someone wrote that Helen's sister, Zane, and Kata are also Zane, this shitty mosaic has broken, now we need to collect who is who again.
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As part of the "Family" I believe
 
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Dr.TSoni said:
And it would be a better theme, The families are worried because Leia is a danger to them and Heleno or Dylan if we prefer do not do their duty as Don by keeping her on a leash. Let's add the sudden return of William, always tied to Leia, can only earn him a place in the shit list of the "Judges".
Instead, no references to Leia's infractions, no warning to the Zanes to put her back in line, only No Perdersoli must have power.


As part of the "Family" I believe
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Is Perdersoli her last name? I remember seeing it a few times (such as on the whiteboard) but I couldn't recall the specific spelling.
I've been calling her Parmesan in the meantime.
 
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