VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Turret]

He would shoot himself in the foot if he kept the incest, he already has Wiab kicked from Patreon, all these websites change their TOS a lot and no one knows if or when SubscribeStar and Steam will change theirs too and kick the game from their plataforms... and it could end up hurting Summers Gone too since they share the same universe. Makes no sense to keep the incest and hurt his income and work on the long run. Lets be real, its just a matter of time until all the plataforms that host this kind of game to start doing the same as Patreon, hes being smart about this and i do believe that if it was for him he would not remove it, but he needs to adapt and think ahead to protect himself...imagine all these plataforms banning incest in 1 or 2 years from now for example, he would need to stop development and redo a lot of stuff and could not be possible to do it anymore, the game would be probably abandoned...or they could even kick the games from their plataforms without prior notice or chance to fix it. I dont think that makes sense to risk.

A lof if and maybe, but let us put that aside for the moment. The thing is, even if Ocean removed the incest arc with Willi and Leia, he did not have to rewrite the story with such a heap of BS and boring stupidity! The family drama with the dangers from the outside would still work, if Willi, Leia and Kati were still siblings, only the incest arc removed. A majority of players was with WIAB exactly for this type lost son returning into a dysfunctional, endangered, but loving family.
The new pseudo-Mafia soap opera destroys not only the character designs, it is also incredibly boring, dumb and grating. I had to grind my teeth when Willi told Miru in the style of a independence declaration that Leia and him were never morre than roommates.

To each their own but I can make sense of the incest crap. I cannot, hard as I may try, make sense of William coming back to the strangers that were involved in his family's death and raised to be an asset. Who try to tell people who they can and cannot marry. Who try to control who can sleep with who. Who have some kind of mythical incomprehensible rules and apparently no way to enforce them. What are they gonna do? Exile William? Oh no the horror! He can go back to his normal life away from the filthy criminal degenerate scum that is his "family".

Bravo!

 

[Maviarab]

I know this will upset a lot of you guys here but at this point I hope he abandons this and focuses on SG. It's not even about how he messed up the whole plot. There's just nothing man. I'm not talking about sex, fuck that, but at least give us some slight romance, some tension, a kiss. Every girl is just there so we can look at her and choose an option that we know will do nothing.

And the plot isn't moving at all. It's just hanging around and chatting, which leads to nothing in between. At least focus on SG. There are some relationships actually starting to shape up there.

If going to try and bait people, put some actual effort and intelligence into it.

 

[Dessolos]

guys you are going to hate me for saying this but I'm pretty damn sure that the summers gone update is going to be shit, ocean lost the plot completely

eh the plot in that game has always been shit only the characters are the saving grace to me in that game. So unless he fucks up the characters probably be a solid one for me

 

[Julius Kingsley]

If going to try and bait people, put some actual effort and intelligence into it.

Omg, what a ridiculous bait from me. Suggesting to abandon a game that’s been in the works for seven years with nothing to show for it. And the only saving grace it had, the characters and their relationships and drama, also got fucked up. How dare I suggest such a thing that will probably happen anyway.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

guys you are going to hate me for saying this but I'm pretty damn sure that the summers gone update is going to be shit, ocean lost the plot completely

There's nothing to mess up there. He can focus on the MC's development and his relationship with each girl and we'll be eating good. He can't mess it up like this even if he tries.

 

[NegativeEnergy]

Who's going to remove the incest tag from the game? False advertising and all that.

 

[Maviarab]

Who's going to remove the incest tag from the game? False advertising and all that.

Report OP/Game Update/give reason to mods.

 

[alain8891]

Ewwww...yeah you can keep Jabba the Mute. I'll bang the human beings
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It's not that I disagree with you but let's be real. I don't want to speak for anyone but myself but it's already pretty much impossible to buy this ludicrous story as is. What harm could the mod do? At least with the mod I can make some sense of their relationships.

To each their own but I can make sense of the incest crap. I cannot, hard as I may try, make sense of William coming back to the strangers that were involved in his family's death and raised him to be an asset. Who try to tell people who they can and cannot marry. Who try to control who can sleep with who. Who have some kind of mythical incomprehensible rules and apparently no way to enforce them. What are they gonna do? Exile William? Oh no the horror! He can go back to his normal life away from the filthy criminal degenerate scum that is his "family".

If you put away the mafia garbage you can still make some sense of this story.

I can't deny that rewriting parts of chapter 4 to accommodate William and Leia beings twins is a challenge, but given enough time, I think I'm up to the challenge. Here's my vision for it: William and Leia are the same family, taken in by the Zanes when their parents were murdered (that part doesn't change). But the reason for William bailing years ago is still because of the relationship with Leia, but not because of some "mob family" bullshit rule, just because...they're siblings...and because of "family" pressure. The forced mariage rules becomes a way to try and break that relationship at its roots, to distance Leia from William. So the whole mafia stuff will be there to stay, sorry if that still hurts your trying to make sense of it all

On a sidenote, I do believe that's what Ocean had envisioned himself at some point, when he said that only Leia and William would be related. When you have a closer look at the script and dialogues you do realize that stuff was probably the last to go in his numerous changes to family dynamics.

 

[Kingterson]

This game is a joke. It's been out how long and there no real sexual content past the girlfriend. Waste of time downloading this junk.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

What's funny to me is that he removed incest like they're already fucking and having threesomes and kinky shit with the whole family, lol. While in fact there's nothing. And by the time there will be anything, Patreon will be talked about like Myspace and we'll be playing games using neurochips.

 

[RNasc4444]

I can't deny that rewriting parts of chapter 4 to accommodate William and Leia beings twins is a challenge, but given enough time, I think I'm up to the challenge. Here's my vision for it: William and Leia are the same family, taken in by the Zanes when their parents were murdered (that part doesn't change). But the reason for William bailing years ago is still because of the relationship with Leia, but not because of some "mob family" bullshit rule, just because...they're siblings...and because of "family" pressure. The forced mariage rules becomes a way to try and break that relationship at its roots, to distance Leia from William. So the whole mafia stuff will be there to stay, sorry if that still hurts your trying to make sense of it all

On a sidenote, I do believe that's what Ocean had envisioned himself at some point, when he said that only Leia and William would be related. When you have a closer look at the script and dialogues you do realize that stuff was probably the last to go in his numerous changes to family dynamics.

Nah that makes sense. And certainly much more sense than the current plot.

But I still feel like you should reconsider taking on this endeavour. I will use your mod if you go through with it but it might take too much of your time for too little payoff. This shitshow is borderline unsalvageable at this point, imo

 

[jadepaladin]

I can't deny that rewriting parts of chapter 4 to accommodate William and Leia beings twins is a challenge, but given enough time, I think I'm up to the challenge. Here's my vision for it: William and Leia are the same family, taken in by the Zanes when their parents were murdered (that part doesn't change). But the reason for William bailing years ago is still because of the relationship with Leia, but not because of some "mob family" bullshit rule, just because...they're siblings...and because of "family" pressure. The forced mariage rules becomes a way to try and break that relationship at its roots, to distance Leia from William. So the whole mafia stuff will be there to stay, sorry if that still hurts your trying to make sense of it all

On a sidenote, I do believe that's what Ocean had envisioned himself at some point, when he said that only Leia and William would be related. When you have a closer look at the script and dialogues you do realize that stuff was probably the last to go in his numerous changes to family dynamics.

That seems like a lot of effort which will just increase with each future chapter. It makes enough sense but it comes down to if you want to invest that much into something that isn't gonna pay you much outside of personal satisfaction. Maybe get some residuals going from Ocean.

 

[sorco2003]

Report OP/Game Update/give reason to mods.

I did, but it was not accepted.

 

[dan_roger69]

Ewwww...yeah you can keep Jabba the Mute. I'll bang the human beings
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It's not that I disagree with you but let's be real. I don't want to speak for anyone but myself but it's already pretty much impossible to buy this ludicrous story as is. What harm could the mod do? At least with the mod I can make some sense of their relationships.

To each their own but I can make sense of the incest crap. I cannot, hard as I may try, make sense of William coming back to the strangers that were involved in his family's death and raised him to be an asset. Who try to tell people who they can and cannot marry. Who try to control who can sleep with who. Who have some kind of mythical incomprehensible rules and apparently no way to enforce them. What are they gonna do? Exile William? Oh no the horror! He can go back to his normal life away from the filthy criminal degenerate scum that is his "family".

If you put away the mafia garbage you can still make some sense of this story.

I'm already banging my girlfriend . Women like Helen are also a turn on for me.

 

[alain8891]

That seems like a lot of effort which will just increase with each future chapter. It makes enough sense but it comes down to if you want to invest that much into something that isn't gonna pay you much outside of personal satisfaction. Maybe get some residuals going from Ocean.

Personal satisfaction is a part of my decision-making process on this ;-)
Yeah, I should reach out to Ocean and ask for a cut...I might just send Miru to collect

 

[jadepaladin]

Personal satisfaction is a part of my decision-making process on this ;-)
Yeah, I should reach out to Ocean and ask for a cut...I might just send Miru to collect

I should have had a Miru render ready for this but I've already uninstalled it.

 

[RNasc4444]

I'm already banging my girlfriend . Women like Helen are also a turn on for me.

Again with the reaction limit I was gonna put up a heart in your post!

You know I'm just joking around with the Helen, Dana and Leia shit. Yes I don't find them attractive, but I never mean to shit on anyone else's taste. We all like what we like. I like the skinny bitches with a modest chest size. Sue me!

 

[alain8891]

I like the skinny bitches with a modest chest size. Sue me!

Then what are you doing playing Ocean's games?

 

[link18]

we need the Incest tag removed or a disclaimer in OP

A lof if and maybe, but let us put that aside for the moment. The thing is, even if Ocean removed the incest arc with Willi and Leia, he did not have to rewrite the story with such a heap of BS and boring stupidity! The family drama with the dangers from the outside would still work, if Willi, Leia and Kati were still siblings, only the incest arc removed. A majority of players was with WIAB exactly for this type lost son returning into a dysfunctional, endangered, but loving family.
The new pseudo-Mafia soap opera destroys not only the character designs, it is also incredibly boring, dumb and grating. I had to grind my teeth when Willi told Miru in the style of a independence declaration that Leia and him were never morre than roommates.

exactly why i liked it before and to add to that the game in your signature and Intertwind are great examples that you can have hot family members without them being fuckable by Mc

 

[sorco2003]

What's funny to me is that he removed incest like they're already fucking and having threesomes and kinky shit with the whole family, lol. While in fact there's nothing. And by the time there will be anything, Patreon will be talked about like Myspace and we'll be playing games using neurochips.

With much less content it was banned from patreon.