VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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yossa999

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All signs point to Miru. Can't hold her alcohol "like her mom", Martial Artist.

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Honestly, Ayua having the Zane name doesn't indicate anything other than being in the family. Like, look at the Aranos. You have Helen and then also whatshisname, the black Krayt leader. Ayua could be even be Miru's sister's friend's aunt's school friend's niece's kid.

She's totally Miru's kid, tho. :giggle:
I hate you both for making me agree. Then Adriana maybe Riri's?
And Asavera and Revera (ZPR) - sounds very similar. Weird.
 

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I hate you both for making me agree. Then Adriana maybe Riri's?
And Asavera and Revera (ZPR) - sounds very similar. Weird.
Do we know what ZPR stands for? I assume Z is Zane. P is probably Pedersoli. The R could be the family that ends up surviving the coming conflict and joins up with Leia.
 

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I hate you both for making me agree. Then Adriana maybe Riri's?
And Asavera and Revera (ZPR) - sounds very similar. Weird.
I'm not sure Asavera will be the Revera clan. Leia would likely flip after learning Donna was stalking William.

Might be, or we could be offsetting all the Italian Families with an equal amount of Spanish Cartels... :KEK:

Edit: Just looked up the etymology of Asavera name, actually Arabic. Perhaps Sonya related.
 

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Well, finally had time to play the update from scratch because of fucked saves. I was not impressed at all like so may here. but I want to share my premium scene here. I was happy that it went 2% further.....

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Well, finally had time to play the update from scratch because of fucked saves. I was not impressed at all like so may here. but I want to share my premium scene here. I was happy that it went 2% further.....

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William in a few updates time and the model has been altered a tad
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So, question: If I want to pursue Dana, is it better to encourage her with her bf or not? I know the answer seems obvious at first, but I saw that there is supposed to have more scenes with her and William if I choose to encourage it.
 

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William in a few updates time and the model has been altered a tad
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You know, the angle Atlas is holding the planet up is actually pretty impressive. It not really resting on his back. It should be rolling down at that angle, but his one hand is holding it in place.

Magnificent.

William can only hope to get gains that good.
 
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byaaahh

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So, question: If I want to pursue Dana, is it better to encourage her with her bf or not? I know the answer seems obvious at first, but I saw that there is supposed to have more scenes with her and William if I choose to encourage it.
I'd wager encouraging her relationship will lead to a scene where you cuck him, a threesome or he cucks you.

At this point though, we know nothing.
 

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So, question: If I want to pursue Dana, is it better to encourage her with her bf or not? I know the answer seems obvious at first, but I saw that there is supposed to have more scenes with her and William if I choose to encourage it.
The feeling I get is that all this encouraging does is build up her sexual frustration. She's gonna fail with her boyfriend (probably already has, given the phone call to Zoey) and Will will (yikes) be in the right place at the right time to take care of her when she finally explodes.
 

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You know, the angle Atlas is holding the planet up is actually pretty impressive. It not really resting on his back. It should be rolling down at that angle, but his one hand is holding it in place.

Magnificent.

William can only hope to get gains that good.
Well, Atlas is supposed to be holding up the sky or "heavens", not a planet. The center of mass might not be in the geometric center of the visible sphere, because who the fuck knows where the center of mass of the "heavens" could be. :rolleyes: Just saying.... :sneaky:
 
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I can only speak for myself. In case of WiAB disjoined and idiotic was the old version.

The new chapters 1-3 were good, but I didn't quite get where this was heading to. It felt like another slice of life story, only Leia's club and Fred's farm were a bit out of line and disturbing. But who cares how people make money, right? In some games, they run a brothel with student prostitutes right on the college campus grounds, using dorm bathrooms as gloryholes.

With Chapter 4, everything that came before in the new WiAB made sense in the light of the new information that was revealed about the criminal families, their confrontation, and the characters' place in that structure. Their actions now have motivation and reasons, and the dialogues - meaning. I like it.
Fine that you like it, personal taste, I loath this update so much I removed WIAB from my sig! It might be because I look with writer´s eyes on it and see how Ocean destroyed the character designs to fill the plot holes he created with soap opera mafiosi of the worst kind.
Even in the oldest versions of WIAB to new WIAB 1-3 it was an obvious fact that parts of the Zane family, e.g. Uncle Joe, engaged in semi- and illegal"enterprises". But it was also very clear it was a side theater and the legal undertakings were vastly bigger and the main focus.
The Zanes had internal problems, the rather serious feud between the older siblings with the younger sister, how the disparate family branches functioned together and Dylan/Helen trying to keep the criminal element in check. Then there were the external problems, rivals from both the legal and illegal competitors and the rising gang problem.
Dylan and Helen loved their kids, even when they exaspirated them and peace between the siblings and Kati was rare. Then Dylan fled because he and Leia had become closer than siblings should be and Kati used at least part of this secret to blackmail him. All this led to a situation of the lost son (and his girlfriend) returning home after a disaster hit and Leia called him.
This was underlined by many small bits and pieces of evidence during the game and that it was hard for Willi being away. He talked lovingly in WIAB 1 about how he often thought about home, the others and how he missed them.
This was a perfectly fine and fitting beginning and could have been kept like this even if Leia would have been removed as a LI to cut the incest arc away. The story fitted the characters and vice versa.

Now with this incredibly stupid rewrite the backstory and many events do not fit the characters any longer! One glaring example Helen. In the new WIAB 4 she went from loving, if sometimes taxed Mom to an ice-cold hardcore criminal. Willi and Leia were only raised for her future gain, no love lost on those two, Helen was at least co-responsible for the deaths of Willi and Leia´s parents (keeping him the sole living Grimaldi for their own gain) and it is very clear from WIAB 4 that Helen and Willi parted ways on less than amiable terms and she left him in prison for good.
There is no even partly feasable reason for Willi to ever return to Wollust! He would never crawl back to and for Helen, a person which hurt and betrayed him so much as the new storyline shows. It is also clear from the time since he left (around 7 years) that the assinine rules Ocean sucked out of his fingers are obviously not enforced where he lived, several people knew where he was.
The feud between Willi/Leia and Kati is now another big plothole. Kati is the blood daughter of Helen and Dylan, Willi and Leia two kids they only raise for later profits, they do not even like them. The first or second time the siblings would really harrass Kati the two would live through a blue wonder of punishment. Afterwards the two would never even look strangely at Kati again.
The Zanes are all now hardcore criminals and Willi, who grew up there, is completely baffled by this, another plothole big as a SUV. Shows that the old backstory is the real one. The new one is Ocean brownnosing Patreon to keep SG safe from banishment and is thrown together to at least partly plug the holes.
 

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Unless I'm misremembering, we know Helen learns of William going to prison, but there is no indication she actually visited him. He even mentions not using his phone call to call her because he didn't want to see her ashamed look.

Not sure how she is expected to do anything other than leave him to do his time.

Of all the Zanes, she seems the happiest he's back.
 
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