I was surprised he dropped that info this "early." One of the best pastimes of Oceanverse is connecting the two stories (ignoring the whole planned five thing). I guess I'm supposed to care that someone will show up in the future of WiaB and I'll jump up like Leo in his chair in that one gif and scream "That's Nika's dad!"
It's hard to "like" characters that get introduced later into a story unless they make a splash (that's a Dana joke). By the time the mom actually showed up in How I Met Your Mother, most people that watched it were already checked out. I guess time will tell but right now it's hard to imagine giving a fuck about Nami and Nika's eventual parents.
I'm not. While I agree with everything you stated, Ocean's efforts to erradicate the ic stuff and create a healthy separation between both games to ensure their "survival" have been very, very obvious. And I'm honestly glad he's being more transparent with this shit instead of the usual vagueness and stringing along of the playerbase.
I'm not. While I agree with everything you stated, Ocean's efforts to erradicate the ic stuff and create a healthy separation between both games to ensure their "survival" have been very, very obvious. And I'm honestly glad he's being more transparent with this shit instead of the usual vagueness and stringing along of the playerbase.
Helen hates William, then starts doting on him when he returns.
Miru expressing that William getting involved is a bad idea, only to go collect debt with Emilio.
Getting whiplash just trying to keep up with the switching up.
To be fair, its been 7 years. Emotions change. Unless you're Leia and Katie. I think it makes sense that the anger and hate subsided over the years, and then it just became this awkward tension tinged with some resentment that they're now working through.
Iirc, in that same talk where Miru tells William to not get involved, she also talks about setting up a new network in Wollust and getting back into the crime life she had previously left behind. Imo, Miru just means "you keep your head low FOR NOW, while I go make myself known as a new player in town". She clearly understands that William is wrapped up in all this and has to get involved at some point.
To be fair, its been 7 years. Emotions change. Unless you're Leia and Katie. I think it makes sense that the anger and hate subsided over the years, and then it just became this awkward tension tinged with some resentment that they're now working through.
Iirc, in that same talk where Miru tells William to not get involved, she also talks about setting up a new network in Wollust and getting back into the crime life she had previously left behind. Imo, Miru just means "you keep your head low FOR NOW, while I go make myself known as a new player in town". She clearly understands that William is wrapped up in all this and has to get involved at some point.
It's been 7 years, 2 of which William was incarcerated. That's 5 years that Helen, who apparently favours Will over even the child she birthed, held a grudge and never contacted him. It's not like she didn't know where he was... It all seems a little odd that she suddenly cares so much.
As for Miru, she states she wants to learn more about the family. Setting up an information network (she doesn't mention a criminal one) is the perfect way to gather intel. Not sure how becoming a low level bruiser is going to get her info, when it's pretty clear Leia wants her in her operation.
It's been 7 years, 2 of which William was incarcerated. That's 5 years that Helen, who apparently favours Will over even the child she birthed, held a grudge and never contacted him. It's not like she didn't know where he was... It all seems a little odd that she suddenly cares so much.
The point is that she likely didn't hold the grudge for the 7+ years. The anger probably waned over time. Which is why she's back to willing to kill for him in the present day.
This kind of shit happens all the time in real life, too. (on a more mundane level, obviously)
I have a cousin who didn't talk to her dad for six years because of a fight they had, and a year in, neither of them still hated each other. They just didn't know how to approach each other and make up. They let it go on and on, and when they finally met up again, it was this awkward dance of neither wanting to make the first overture. It took an uncle slapping my cousin and slugging her dad and then locking them in a room. Here in WiaB, it took Helen getting assaulted and becoming (pretending to be?) mute.
I really don't see whats so hard to get about this.
As for Miru, she states she wants to learn more about the family. Setting up an information network (she doesn't mention a criminal one) is the perfect way to gather intel. Not sure how becoming a low level bruiser is going to get her info, when it's pretty clear Leia wants her in her operation.
You gotta start somewhere. You start low, prove yourself, show off the skills you want them to see that will take you to where you want to go. This is spy/infiltration storytelling 101. You see it everywhere.
I've decided to unren the images and scroll through them, instead of playing the game. Glad I did, because it turned out exactly the way I thought it would be:
Very pretty renders and hot girls
Lots of boobs, and some nipples (mostly Miru though, who I find the least attractive character in the Novel)
Hardly any actual sex scenes
non-interesting story
taboo relationships removed (yes you can actually find this out by looking at the pictures now)
So yeah, very average game to be honest. Then again, it's priced pretty honestly on Steam for only €7,80 so that's fair.
I definitely have no interest in actually playing the game at all at this point.
You gotta start somewhere. You start low, prove yourself, show off the skills you want them to see that will take you to where you want to go. This is spy/infiltration storytelling 101. You see it everywhere.
and the fact that both the FBI and we know absolutely nothing about Miru's background is the joker (spy/infiltration) that William has in his hands here. And she seems to be pretty good at it!
The point is that she didn't hold the grudge for the 7 years. The anger probably waned over time. Which is why she's back to willing to kill for him in the present day.
This kind of shit happens all the time in real life, too. (on a more mundane level, obviously)
I have a cousin who didn't talk to her dad for six years because of a fight they had, and a year in, neither of them still hated each other. They just didn't know how to approach each other and make up. They let it go on and on, and when they finally met up again, it was this awkward dance of neither wanting to make the first overture. It took an uncle slapping my cousin and slugging her dad and then locking them in a room. Here in WiaB, it took Helen getting assaulted and becoming (pretending to be?) mute.
I really don't see whats so hard to get about this.
I can understand holding a grudge, but this is a "ward" of hers that she apparently loved more than her biological daughter. We are supposed to suspend our disbelief that she wouldn't have forgiven him during the 2 years in prison, or the 5 years after, or even extend an olive branch. But now she's practically popping a titty in his mouth every time they embrace.
You gotta start somewhere. You start low, prove yourself, show off the skills you want them to see that will take you to where you want to go. This is spy/infiltration storytelling 101. You see it everywhere.
She doesn't have to start low if joining Leia's empire is the goal. She has an in with teaching Leia BJJ and Leia has expressed she thinks Miru would be invaluable to her. Tagging along with Emilio who diplomatically collects debt, just to roughhouse is a goons job.
I can understand holding a grudge, but this is a "ward" of hers that she apparently loved more than her biological daughter. We are supposed to suspend our disbelief that she wouldn't have forgiven him during the 2 years in prison, or the 5 years after, or even extend an olive branch. But now she's practically popping a titty in his mouth every time they embrace.
Rehashing and some copy paste from a post I made earlier in the year:
*takes deep breath*
Ocean started WIAB...but then got a friend to do SG for him (regium) who was basically not up to task. Ocean did more and more and effectively by the end of Ch2...regium had left and Ocean took it over himself completely (it's his story anyway).
WIAB suffered from the SG reworks...paid more money....continued to plod along with WIAB....Miru became scarier....NTR here, NTR there, NTR EVERYWHERE...Miru haunts your dreams nightmares....SG continues...WIAB gets a rework....much improved...rise of the Gigachadz!
Miru now crazy hot...and not just plain crazy....MC hates his family...accident...AGAGGGGHHHHHHH...
....sis calls, umm...roommate..no...errr...tribute fren...oh pls come home...whaaahh waahhhhh you get the picture...WilliChad comes home...reunites with his family errr...landlady....umm...whoever she is now, no wait...I was the right the first time...THE FAMILY! (as they say in mother Rushkie-land)....
lil sis still crazy hot as fuck..well not your sis...but oh fuck it...SISTER....best AVN girl around
....momma whale all sad...umm...I mean landlady....warden....teacher...fuck this is complicated...MATRIARCH.....Kat has amazing tits!!!
Shady shenaniginzies all round!
Gina wants fucking seven ways of sideways, Dana NEEDS fucking seventy ways of sideways (both preferably in front of the respective bf's) and Monica wants the Gigachad again...oh...and SPIDERS!
GIGACHAD still a megachad...self reflection (this scene still makes me tear up)....sister hates Miru (who we now all love, funny how things work isn't it eh?).....SG hits Steam, Ocean forgot he had a better VN to develop....
Renders renders renders.....MOAR RENDURZ....Blah, not stopping...WIAB my baby....but SG making three times the money...wahh taxes ...workstations ...boobs...TAXES!!!!....MOAR BOOBS....(Did I mention Kata has fucking amazing boobs?).
And somehow...I guess if you are new to the VN, this still all make some kinda sense....just about, maybe, kinda....ISH!
*takes another deep breath*
The Druish Princess (I used to have a thing for them..been trying to give up lately)...
Is now a criminal mastermind, drugs, gunz, pretty girls....gay bouncers....MORE BOOBS and PANCACKES!!
Silvano....Giuseppe....Garybaldi...uncle Tom Cobbler...CORLEONE! The seven familes are meeting!!! Ok...that might be a stretch, but there could be seven families...they could be meeting and they do, apparantly grandpa is fucking toast (and no, not the good kind with honey smeared all over Katie). Gun running, murder, assassinations...moonshine!
So now apparently our parents (whole families *shrugs*) were murdered....Don Helen took us in!!!
Then...the blue haired clown (Zoe, for those not keeping up) wants to (does) start a.....drum rolllll.....leeeettttt's get reaaaadddyyyyy to do pooooorrrrn (studio), but we need a loan from the Wicked Witch of the West!
.....oh fuck me. At least this one probably ties in with SG...not that I fucking care about that teen drama bullshit anyway....(sorry Nasc buddy..but that's what it is).
However, it's important to note that pride is the source of shame, humility....the antidote! Or whatever the fuck that actually means in BiBi land.
So our twin sister is not our sister...we didn't spank her...though we wanted to (and she was a very bad girl)...Katie knew...but did...well, something...WilliSmallCock bailed...bad bad Willi...not so chad then eh?
Landlady...mom....warden...MOTHER SUPERIOR...big bad whale pissed...never cross the FAMILY! Cos if you do...everyone gets wiped out Red Dead style and and Don Helioni will eat you...err...I mean give you a roof over her enermous umm...head...that's it. Head!
...by the...well...judge I guess...cos he was a snivelly snot nosed little ass and might get blown away for bringing shame on his ward...I mean his moth...oh fiuck it...mother superior! I mean like now, sure, when Ocean stops cockblocking us, we can fuck all the families...that be just fine...right? But then?
Ohh boy....
Still with me? Great!
So it now appears that 'forbidden relationships' were a thing as a power play to marry the Chads...(that's the Gigachads btw and Princess Ice nips) to other families! (because apparently we're a valuable asset, no idea why the fuck anyone would think a kid with no family anymore is an asset...but whatever....). Can you imagine the shame...umm...political manouvering! Told ya before, shady shady shaninginzies....like the Princess' aerolas! (pretty sure they can take down the cartel on their own..haha yes I said cartel. Like seriously...wtf).
All that aside, some lovely forum member who I thought I was frindly with...decides to kick me in the shins and inform that certain lovely creatures are not romance options.
Am I pissed the incest was removed? Yes I fucking am. I don't even care about it as a kink (especially given the only well written incest story is years old and finished at this point), but like with many others, the entire story was written around Gigachad and Princess icicle. Everything was related to those two. Without that...it's just...meaningless drivel.
Am I dumbstruck at how dumb the ridiculous tribute no murdering kids get a 'family' to take them in storyline? Yes...what a crock of shit.
Am I happy with the five families plot line? Not really because it's fucking stupid. Sure, it was always a crime plot to some degree, that was obvious even back in the day...but this shit? Are we gonna wake up next to a Krayt's head if we fuck someone, that some apparently important old farts say we shouldn't? Oh fuck off...please...
Am I pissed off that Ocean has turned Gigachad into the biggest anti-sex fucking moron this side of a Trump rally? (and seriously, can someone actually tell me why you guys worship celebrity politicians and go to 'rally's? Honestly, it's fucking dumber than this current plotline). Yes I am...so many hot girls....so many who want the Willichad....but no...put your boobs away please ladies....like omfg...Ocean, stop cockblocking the Gigachad...please? Or I'll get Katie to ruin you.
Despite all the so called professionlism and team of testers, Ocean needs new proof readers...
It is just an incoherant mess right now? Yes...sure as hell is.
However:
I still actually like all the interactions with the girls. Still one of the best around for that. The renders,, especially atmosphere and lighting, is still without a doubt, bar none, the best in the AVN sphere. Little details also matter, and Ocean is very good at those, very very good. Have to really look at each render to see the slightest of things that tell you something. Most will probably never notice them...oh well. I do and greatly appreciate it.
Is it still in my list of favourite VN's currently? Yes, very much so and despite the dumb plot now, I doubt that will change any time soon, though hey, each update is an opportunity for that to change. Will I continue to play it? Yes, though I maybe do now have one big toe off the train, where as before this update, both feet were firmly planted inside.
Is Katie still the best and hottest AVN girl ever? Damn sure....that alone counts for a whole lot and thankfully, their interactions are still great despite the lack of a bloodline.
So all in all, I am slightly disappointed but hell, at least we still have her:
Your point is that anger waned over time, just happened to coincidently fully dissipate when William returned.
My point is if she loved him more than her own daughter, the daily reminder when looking at Katie of how much she missed him would have pushed her into forgiving him a lot sooner, not 7 years after the fact and only because she was attacked.
It's telenovela levels of narrative, next Julio Grimaldi will be the guy casing the Zanes place trying to get his son back...
I figure its a red herring. Someone is playing the same game William did with that Krayt member. Stir shit up, pit gangs/families against each other. The attacks are not meant to be lethal, only scare and push the orgs' paranoia up until they fuck up and do the actual dirty work themselves.
Wollust is a powder keg, and this unknown player is just trying to get the fuse lit.
I figure its a red herring. Someone is playing the same game William did with that Krayt member. Stir shit up, pit gangs/families against each other. The attacks are not meant to be lethal, only scare and push the orgs' paranoia up until they fuck up and do the actual dirty work themselves.
Wollust is a powder keg, and this unknown player is just trying to get the fuse lit.
Ocean better pull some shit like that with all the mafia shenanigans. Its just too good.
Anyways, the rocks were just thrown at random, it seems. I doubt they were aiming at anyone in particular. Helen just caught that one rock as karma for being a bitch.
Even when the power line was cut, the guy just bailed instead of busting in with a machete and a gun. If this wasn't a mafia game, I'd say it was a scary movies tier fear tactics building up to some big shenanigan.
Ocean better pull some shit like that with all the mafia shenanigans. Its just too good.
Anyways, the rocks were just thrown at random, it seems. I doubt they were aiming at anyone in particular. Helen just caught that one rock as karma for being a bitch.
I figure its a red herring. Someone is playing the same game William did with that Krayt member. Stir shit up, pit gangs/families against each other. The attacks are not meant to be lethal, only scare and push the orgs' paranoia up until they fuck up and do the actual dirty work themselves.
Wollust is a powder keg, and this unknown player is just trying to get the fuse lit.
(well, I guess some of it was answered lol).
