VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[longdong4005]

Wait, so if this story is set around 20 years ago before Summer's gone, does that mean that Ayua Zane is the daughter of Miru and the MC?

 

[alain8891]

I've decided to unren the images and scroll through them, instead of playing the game. Glad I did, because it turned out exactly the way I thought it would be:

• ...
• taboo relationships removed (yes you can actually find this out by looking at the pictures now)

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Exactly what did you compare the current images with to come to that conclusion?
Because I did a comparison myself between all images that were part of the previous chapter 2 and 3 releases to those of the current chapter 4, and there's nothing that suggests your conclusion.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Wait, so if this story is set around 20 years ago before Summer's gone, does that mean that Ayua Zane is the daughter of Miru and the MC?

Technically, it shouldn't be possible anymore.
Could Ayua be descended from Dylan's brothers?

 

[byaaahh]

Technically, it shouldn't be possible anymore.
Could Ayua be descended from Dylan's brothers?

William still uses Zane, so it's still possible. Dylan and Miru is also a possibility...

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Dylan and Miru is also a possibility...

But in that case Katie would be the half-sister not the aunt, which is the only relative we know from SG

 

[byaaahh]

But in that case Katie would be the half-sister not the aunt, which is the only relative we know from SG

With how convoluted everything is getting, wouldn't put it past Ocean to explain it away as they pretend the child is William's as a means to spare him from something. If it follows the original William is going back to prison soon and will likely be judged by the families... again.

 

[LHDLLB]

I would also agree with you but every time a scene of affection or family bonding appears immediately after Willy or Leia they specify how they never had an emotional relationship with the Zanes it was always just business. Probably Ocean wants to discourage any possible association of incest but by hammering this concept he creates a certain detachment between what happens and the story that is being told; maybe it's just my problem but the bipolar term used by byaaahh seems to fit perfectly.

This. Is the inconsistency in characters behaviors and action vs what the story informs you. Ocean goes out of his way to inform the player that they are not a family but then we have what should be a heartfelt moment between a mother and son that hurt one another trying to make amends. Things just don't fit together. Plus Ocean trying to keep the taboo aspect of the relationship by "mob law" dosen't work.

I still say this change can work but needs to be better set up in the first chapthers. Make William afraid of the Judges as early as Ch1, make him say do to Leia, make him more distant and respectful of Dylan, Helen and Katie. I don't think this story can't work but right now all elements dosen't fit together and creates disconections, with to be fair always was going to be the case. For the rest I agree, if this update showed something is that Ocean really shines with character, the fact that I would burn the world for Taylor now say as much.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

With how convoluted everything is getting, wouldn't put it past Ocean to explain it away as they pretend the child is William's as a means to spare him from something. If it follows the original William is going back to prison soon and will likely be judged by the families... again.

This is also true

This. Is the inconsistency in characters behaviors and action vs what the story informs you. Ocean goes out of his way to inform the player that they are not a family but then we have what should be a heartfelt moment between a mother and son that hurt one another trying to make amends. Things just don't fit together. Plus Ocean trying to keep the taboo aspect of the relationship by "mob law" dosen't work.

I still say this change can work but needs to be better set up in the first chapthers. Make William afraid of the Judges as early as Ch1, make him say do to Leia, make him more distant and respectful of Dylan, Helen and Katie. I don't think this story can't work but right now all elements dosen't fit together and creates disconections, with to be fair always was going to be the case.

I agree, and I know everyone will hate me but to insert this plot a major rework of the previous chapters would be needed

no mater of our choice we won't see the guy in train with miru after he sit near her and talked? no new tit play shows?!

Among the chapter images you can find this one,
but I avoided any flags for NTR in my games so I can't tell you if or how to unlock the scene

 

[byaaahh]

This. Is the inconsistency in characters behaviors and action vs what the story informs you. Ocean goes out of his way to inform the player that they are not a family but then we have what should be a heartfelt moment between a mother and son that hurt one another trying to make amends. Things just don't fit together. Plus Ocean trying to keep the taboo aspect of the relationship by "mob law" dosen't work.

I still say this change can work but needs to be better set up in the first chapthers. Make William afraid of the Judges as early as Ch1, make him say do to Leia, make him more distant and respectful of Dylan, Helen and Katie. I don't think this story can't work but right now all elements dosen't fit together and creates disconections, with to be fair always was going to be the case. For the rest I agree, if this update showed something is that Ocean really shines with character, the fact that I would burn the world for Taylor now say as much.

I'm going to say this, the only character who has been the most consistent since Ch1 is Gefritzel, second most is Dylan. The reason for this is because they are in the background.

Every one of the foreground characters seems to snap back and forth between super-serious, take no prisoners hard-ass criminal, to the next scene being a jovial, wise-cracking pacifist. It's getting tiresome having to deal with to constant back and forth, like the entire cast is clinically bipolar.

 

[mommysboiii]

Guys! Please tell me I messed up in the previous dialogue choices that I bottled this sex scene! I CANNOT FATHOM THE DEV NOT CREATING A SEX SCENE HERE!!!! that too with FREAKING LEIA!!!

She trimmed her coochie for nothing

W willy loyal

Miru 1 / leia 0

When will leia go after miru? And what is her plan?

 

[alain8891]

This is also true


I agree, and I know everyone will hate me but to insert this plot a major rework of the previous chapters would be needed


Among the chapter images you can find this one, View attachment 5022031
but I avoided any flags for NTR in my games so I can't tell you if or how to unlock the scene

That image is not called upon in the script, even though William and Miru have a conversation about it. My uncut mod, currently being developed, will restore it. It will only show in the NTR patch since that conversation between William and Miru only takes place if NTR is on…

 

[Turret]

Except for the first thing you answer, all the rest is speculation on your part. And about the objection, 1 to 3 still exists in this new canon, and in 4 Katie explicitly says that Dylan never failed her.
And to paraphrase you, it's fine that you don't like it, it's changed everything, but it's also not necessary to make a response like that, where half is speculation and half is interpretation.

Sorry, but you are wrong here. This is not simply interpretation, you just need to play the game and look at what happens and is said. Nearly every nice encounter between the main characters and the Wollust characters is followed by a beer-earnest declaration that all was always just business, flatsharing and that they in their heart of hearts never even liked the other one. Totally bi-polar and since the new update brings this brain fart in, old, nice Helen is history, the as..., hardcore criminal Helen is what he is striving for.
Ocean is completely going overboard with the changes, it is so laughable obvious how he wants to seperate the stories to appeace Patreon, even when WIAB will never again be hosted there. A great artist, but also a bootlicker before the Lord!
He can do these idiotic changes, it is his game, but he cannot make the players like it. I was on board for a different kind of story, not a story about stupid, mustache-twirling mafiosi!

 

[sorco2003]

Sorry, but you are wrong here. This is not simply interpretation, you just need to play the game and look at what happens and is said. Nearly every nice encounter between the main characters and the Wollust characters is followed by a beer-earnest declaration that all was always just business, flatsharing and that they in their heart of hearts never even liked the other one. Totally bi-polar and since the new update brings this brain fart in, old, nice Helen is history, the as..., hardcore criminal Helen is what he is striving for.
Ocean is completely going overboard with the changes, it is so laughable obvious how he wants to seperate the stories to appeace Patreon, even when WIAB will never again be hosted there. A great artist, but also a bootlicker before the Lord!
He can do these idiotic changes, it is his game, but he cannot make the players like it. I was on board for a different kind of story, not a story about stupid, mustache-twirling mafiosi!

sorry you are wrong, cheers, play the game.

 

[LHDLLB]

This is also true


I agree, and I know everyone will hate me but to insert this plot a major rework of the previous chapters would be needed


Among the chapter images you can find this one, View attachment 5022031
but I avoided any flags for NTR in my games so I can't tell you if or how to unlock the scene

I think the same, but I don't think will do such, for many reasons, Ch4 is this soft roboot and it is what it is. Curious to see how this affects SG if at all.

 

[sorco2003]

This. Is the inconsistency in characters behaviors and action vs what the story informs you. Ocean goes out of his way to inform the player that they are not a family but then we have what should be a heartfelt moment between a mother and son that hurt one another trying to make amends. Things just don't fit together. Plus Ocean trying to keep the taboo aspect of the relationship by "mob law" dosen't work.

I still say this change can work but needs to be better set up in the first chapthers. Make William afraid of the Judges as early as Ch1, make him say do to Leia, make him more distant and respectful of Dylan, Helen and Katie. I don't think this story can't work but right now all elements dosen't fit together and creates disconections, with to be fair always was going to be the case. For the rest I agree, if this update showed something is that Ocean really shines with character, the fact that I would burn the world for Taylor now say as much.

this is true, the game seems to be split in three, on one side you have chapter 1 and 2, the solitary chapter 3 and then chapter 4.
Even if you took out 90% of the content of chapter 3, the overall flow would be better... Still, it needs new dialogues... I don't think there will be, one of Ocean's convictions was to move forward with minimal tweaks. If there is a possibility of some more rewriting, hopefully no rework.

 

[Maccabbee]

Technically, it shouldn't be possible anymore.
Could Ayua be descended from Dylan's brothers?

OK, whut? Why couldn't Ayua Zane be William Grimaldi ZANE and Miru (or whatever her real name)'s child? The Grimaldi family doesn't exist anymore. William and Leia both use Zane, and are referred to by outsiders including cops as Zane. I am pretty sure that is their actual legal last names now. Despite not being adopted or foster kids... (yeah, that's stupid, but so's Palimony). Maybe they're common-law adopted?

 

[Turret]

sorry you are wrong, cheers, play the game.

I know you are contrarian because you either like the changes or are contrarian for contra´s sake, since the things I talk about you can find in the game, so have fun with this Machwerk. I have already removed WIAB from my sig. There are other gamrs one can support.

 

[UncleFappy]

OK, whut? Why couldn't Ayua Zane be William Grimaldi ZANE and Miru (or whatever her real name)'s child? The Grimaldi family doesn't exist anymore. William and Leia both use Zane, and are referred to by outsiders including cops as Zane. I am pretty sure that is their actual legal last names now. Despite not being adopted or foster kids... (yeah, that's stupid, but so's Palimony). Maybe they're common-law adopted?

Not comon-law adopted, probably more like once you are actually part of the family and not just an underling mook, you get the family name. That would explain why the Krayt leader is an Aranos despite being black and the other Aranos like Helen very much not being so. The families take in and uplift people to the Family even if they're not blood related.

Maybe Ocean introduced that as a custom for all the families to make it seem not so weird that the Zanes did so for William and Leia.

 

[LHDLLB]

this is true, the game seems to be split in three, on one side you have chapter 1 and 2, the solitary chapter 3 and then chapter 4.
Even if you took out 90% of the content of chapter 3, the overall flow would be better... Still, it needs new dialogues... I don't think there will be, one of Ocean's convictions was to move forward with minimal tweaks. If there is a possibility of some more rewriting, hopefully no rework.

Tô make this change fully work it would need to be a rework, but nobody wants that, but at least rewriting some scenes and dialogue should be in the picture. My fear is that the story becomes more disjointed as it moved forward.

 

[sorco2003]

OK, whut? Why couldn't Ayua Zane be William Grimaldi ZANE and Miru (or whatever her real name)'s child? The Grimaldi family doesn't exist anymore. William and Leia both use Zane, and are referred to by outsiders including cops as Zane. I am pretty sure that is their actual legal last names now. Despite not being adopted or foster kids... (yeah, that's stupid, but so's Palimony). Maybe they're common-law adopted?

It's a bit of a stretch, but in my country you can change your surname in a judicial way, I could not find out how it is in Germany, since all the news lead me to a new disposition about the adoption of surnames since this year.