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VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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LHDLLB

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What the fuck! I swear to God every time I start a new game I get more and more confused.
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They are the same image and no one can convince me otherwise
My guess is that. There is no rule for Leia but would not be nice ? I think that Leia relationship was not the reason William left anymore - if ever was. My thing is. Why Italian Uncle was not metioned before ? Why William got back ? Why is immoral to fuck Katie - beyond that you don't fuck fishes- if the worst thing tha can happen is exile ... why did he leave ? How is William a asset ? Why he can't fuck Kata ? Why the mob is cockbloguing William altogether ? Why Katie relationship with Zoey is not problematic ? Why Leia has so much power if her family got clipped ? What was só shameful that make William run away ? Why they acted like a family for the first 3 chapthers in they in fact were never a family, it explain Leia behavior a bit but why is William huging Dylan ?Incest has a easy awnser to much of those, now we have to wait and see what Ocean will come up. Is shake grounds for sure, but was always gonna be shake grounds and was all either all in or all out on the incest stuff, I can't fault Ocean choice given the loss of Patreon. Ocean now has to answers this questions, I expecting the next two updates will focus on that, just please give this some solid grounds, speculation is good but right now I don't even know what to call William, you can't tell a story like this.
 

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Dr.TSoni

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beyond that you don't fuck fishes
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Ok i will make an exception because she looks very polite

Why they acted like a family for the first 3 chapthers in they in fact were never a family, it explain Leia behavior a bit but why is William huging Dylan ?
I would have preferred (and I think it would have been less confusing) if when William explained the situation to Miru he had said "She's not my mother, but it's as if she were."
 

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Im getting a notification on mac saying the application can't be opened is anyone else having this problem?
 

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You're making me angry all over again...

That William render still pisses me off. I just wanna bash his skull in with a socket wrench (get it? :p) while I ask him calmly:
"WHY THE FUCK DID YOU COME BACK THEN YOU BRAINDEAD MONKEY?!?!!?!?"

And he replies as every bone in his face breaks and he drowns in blood:
"Ma....Maf.....ia....Mafia reasons.."
Count me in! As we mentioned in more than a dozen posts, the new background has no feasable, logical or emotional reason why Willi should ever return to the people which are co-responsible for the death of his parents, (ab)used him like a pawn and betrayed him repeatedly. The only answer Willi should give any caller from Wollust (except Zoey, Dana or Monika) is "Go screw yourself and don´t call again!"
What annoys me especially is that the new update goes out of it´s way to reinforce the stupid plotholes and logcial disasters like this render with the text.:mad::mad: He should never have come back at all!
 
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LHDLLB

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Ok i will make an exception because she looks very polite


I would have preferred (and I think it would have been less confusing) if when William explained the situation to Miru he had said "She's not my mother, but it's as if she were."
Too cloae to incest, Ocean is not given anyone any reasons, and that is the problem. William was never a Zane but they are in fact his family, I would fucking love a scene where William has to confront that, give this relationship deepth beyond mafia, is where Ocean shines and could be great but I think it still would be to close to something he dosen't want to be associated anymore and in turn we ger this something that is netiher.

Edit: Meaning they are not a mafia family but also are not a normal family. Those are things that he can workout that this update did not even tried to, it was just to make sure that William was not fucking his sister or mom or cousin or aunt. The only way it would be more clear was if Ocean slaped me with Patreon and SS ToS.
 
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Maccabbee

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On the Dylan security thing, he went on the extreme end of "can't have too much security" with literally no security (and no, Helen does not count).
Leia literally had to send her own goons to support the family.
But you see if you have too much security the bad guys may feel too "intimated" to threaten your family :WeSmart:
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Dylan just wants everyone to sit by the fire and sing kumbaya, like Leia's plan to unite the gangs.
This has been covered and explained a few times already. I know you guys love bitching, but here's a summary:

1. The MC gang is their main enforcers and they are scattered without Joe. I assume Leia has a bunch of them in Joe's businesses.
2. The family is fragmented. Dylan's brother and sister took members with them when they split town. Tony looks kinda badass, and might have taken a lot of muscle with him. Incidentally, Tony is the one that doesn't talk to Dylan. He can't talk to Helen. Nobody fucking uses text messaging in this stupid Oceanverse.
3. Dylan's comment is that too much security would make it impossible to trap whoever is stalking the house, which is how he plans to find out what the fuck is going on. Is that bright? NO, but it's his plan. He is pretty tough, and has a shotgun. There's been no gunplay before. He figured it's low-risk. OOPS.
 

LHDLLB

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This has been covered and explained a few times already. I know you guys love bitching, but here's a summary:

1. The MC gang is their main enforcers and they are scattered without Joe. I assume Leia has a bunch of them in Joe's businesses.
2. The family is fragmented. Dylan's brother and sister took members with them when they split town. Tony looks kinda badass, and might have taken a lot of muscle with him. Incidentally, Tony is the one that doesn't talk to Dylan. He can't talk to Helen. Nobody fucking uses text messaging in this stupid Oceanverse.
3. Dylan's comment is that too much security would make it impossible to trap whoever is stalking the house, which is how he plans to find out what the fuck is going on. Is that bright? NO, but it's his plan. He is pretty tough, and has a shotgun. There's been no gunplay before. He figured it's low-risk. OOPS.
The first and last point is true. The second is more on the speculative side. Did not the fed at the end said that the Zanes on Wollust were the bigger sect ? They must have more man beyond the Motoclub, só why they are reling on Leia for protection ?
 

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The first and last point is true. The second is more on the speculative side. Did not the fed at the end said that the Zanes on Wollust were the bigger sect ? They must have more man beyond the Motoclub, só why they are reling on Leia for protection ?
About the Zanes bigger in Wollust, I understood that it was in comparison with the two siblings who are in other places. For the last one, there is no answer, at least not yet.
 

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The first and last point is true. The second is more on the speculative side. Did not the fed at the end said that the Zanes on Wollust were the bigger sect ? They must have more man beyond the Motoclub, só why they are reling on Leia for protection ?
Because the MCs are Joe's and Leia is running Joe's businesses. Do you think those bouncers are not in the MC?
 

LHDLLB

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About the Zanes bigger in Wollust, I understood that it was in comparison with the two siblings who are in other places. For the last one, there is no answer, at least not yet.
Yeah, but still, this is my point, they should not he relying of Leia's man to protect themselves
 

LHDLLB

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Because the MCs are Joe's and Leia is running Joe's businesses. Do you think those bouncers are not in the MC?
Só the only men that the Zane has are those of the motoclub ? Dylan and Helen don't have any men of their own ?
 

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isn't this game abandoned or am i mistaken? i haven't seen any post on the patreon or subscribestar page.
You should check if you've been banned from subscribrestar or the latest updates section on this site.
Probably that's why you haven't seen posts.
 
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Maccabbee

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Só the only men that the Zane has are those of the motoclub ? Dylan and Helen don't have any men of their own ?
The MC is part of the family, though Joe. Joe is brother-in-law to Dylan. They are affiliated. Why would they need more people?

Also, the Family split in 3, Fred in locked up, Joe is locked up, there have been clashes with the Kraits (at least, if not with others), and lots of shit's gone down. The family is not as strong as usually.
 

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A whole year for this update and I didn't noticed any new contents at all, it finishes at the same place, very disappointed, hope the other game ain't the same.
 
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